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Hllywd76
Get hooked on fly.. just debarb first!!!!
What I saw one time was a car that had a tire go flat after hitting a small bump in the road. when it was brought into to be fixed, the mechanic noticed the valve was missing it's internal parts. seems someone took it out and only put the cap back on 2 turns. was funny when the other 3 went.
Breaking the law is not a joke. And the locals should also be called as they can also inforce the law. I called a local town and when they said call F&G I asked them why they can't come. They said they would send someone and did.
Marky Take your BS somewhere else.
Hllywd
Rusty Spinner
Active member
Personally, I don't think we've headed off on enough tangents yet. But if it has to be over, I'm sure there are plenty of other threads we can hijack
golden beetle
Active member
Marky, I am embarassed to admit that I did not understand your posts at all.
I read them, but they made no sense.
Let's run through a few questions to help me understand, as it appears that this lack of understanding is my problem alone. The others seem to understand you...
Do you agree that, in this thread, everyone is against poaching?
If not, please point out the exceptions.
In your estimate, the problem with enforcing anti-poaching laws is that you may end up with fresh deer heads in your mailbox, and lose your own license for a few years?
Your opinions don't seem terribly controversial to me, and I thank you for posting your informed opinions.
I read them, but they made no sense.
Let's run through a few questions to help me understand, as it appears that this lack of understanding is my problem alone. The others seem to understand you...
Do you agree that, in this thread, everyone is against poaching?
If not, please point out the exceptions.
In your estimate, the problem with enforcing anti-poaching laws is that you may end up with fresh deer heads in your mailbox, and lose your own license for a few years?
Your opinions don't seem terribly controversial to me, and I thank you for posting your informed opinions.
Golden Bonana....
I don't think too many people on here now fall for your game.
So, tell me you are not really a fly fisherman at all are you.
You have to choose a better source of bait next time.
AK Skim
No the guy who had those dear heads placed them at the home of the guy who ratted him. What I am saying these guys are always 10 steps ahead of the law. They seem to feed off people knowing there doing wrong.
Over the years I have run accross many poachers, from South America to Alaska. The more remote area the bigger the poachers. Some of these guys were shear outlaws. But what I did find was they didn't give a shit about anything with the will to give it all up attitude. Do a search for Claud Dallas.
So do I like poachers No am I one No. What I am trying to convey here is many of these guys are the drunk wife beater type or the very sophisticated. I was once on an elk hunt in NM the outfitter was telling us stories about guys that would come out pay 10 grand just to jack an elk. They didn't want fair chase they wanted results and I am sure he oblidged them also. You very rarely hear about the big poachers with 10-15 guys working together and when you do they never seem to get those fines slapped to them. Then the ding bat poacher gets caught and he looses his rig and gun.
The fish and game nationwide is a joke as the antis get deeper inbedded with them, look at IN, Calif... they have antis working for them. They spend billions on drugs and we sportsman pay out the nose and get nothing.
Here's what happened to a friend of mine when he did the right thing.
http://www.peer.org/docs/usda/09_09_06_strader_narrative.pdf
Over the years I have run accross many poachers, from South America to Alaska. The more remote area the bigger the poachers. Some of these guys were shear outlaws. But what I did find was they didn't give a shit about anything with the will to give it all up attitude. Do a search for Claud Dallas.
So do I like poachers No am I one No. What I am trying to convey here is many of these guys are the drunk wife beater type or the very sophisticated. I was once on an elk hunt in NM the outfitter was telling us stories about guys that would come out pay 10 grand just to jack an elk. They didn't want fair chase they wanted results and I am sure he oblidged them also. You very rarely hear about the big poachers with 10-15 guys working together and when you do they never seem to get those fines slapped to them. Then the ding bat poacher gets caught and he looses his rig and gun.
The fish and game nationwide is a joke as the antis get deeper inbedded with them, look at IN, Calif... they have antis working for them. They spend billions on drugs and we sportsman pay out the nose and get nothing.
Here's what happened to a friend of mine when he did the right thing.
http://www.peer.org/docs/usda/09_09_06_strader_narrative.pdf
Marky,why live in fear when you own a 12 guage and aren't afraid to use it if you need to? A stranger trespasses without permission on my property and threatens me won't likely have a chance to put a gun to my head with a 2 foot hole in their chest!
Kind of a funny story I remember like it was yesterday (also strongly highlights knowing your target before pulling the trigger in any situation): My parents divorced long ago and when I was a teen my old man would work nights occasionally and it would be me and my kid brother alone. He'd tell me when he was coming home in the morning, etc. He never came home early, until one particular night. I don't know how I heard it, but some time in the middle of the night I heard someone trying to get in our door downstairs. I took my shotgun from the case, got the shells out from another location and loaded that Mossberg up with 00. I grabbed the phone and positioned myself at the top of the stairs for a clear shot to the doorway, less than 10 yards. I announced loudly "Who are you? I have a loaded shotgun. Do not come thru that door unnanounced." A voice says just as loudly "Ryan, it's your Dad I'm home early. It's your DAD!" I walked down and let him in, he couldn't believe I was prepared to defend the home and my brother like that. He was having trouble finding the right key and seeing the lock because I had not left the porch light on since he said he wouldn't be home until after 7AM. I said "don't worry I know better, I wouldn't have shot until I confirmed you were a stranger in the house."
As always, clinging to our guns and religion out here in Pennsyltucky!
Kind of a funny story I remember like it was yesterday (also strongly highlights knowing your target before pulling the trigger in any situation): My parents divorced long ago and when I was a teen my old man would work nights occasionally and it would be me and my kid brother alone. He'd tell me when he was coming home in the morning, etc. He never came home early, until one particular night. I don't know how I heard it, but some time in the middle of the night I heard someone trying to get in our door downstairs. I took my shotgun from the case, got the shells out from another location and loaded that Mossberg up with 00. I grabbed the phone and positioned myself at the top of the stairs for a clear shot to the doorway, less than 10 yards. I announced loudly "Who are you? I have a loaded shotgun. Do not come thru that door unnanounced." A voice says just as loudly "Ryan, it's your Dad I'm home early. It's your DAD!" I walked down and let him in, he couldn't believe I was prepared to defend the home and my brother like that. He was having trouble finding the right key and seeing the lock because I had not left the porch light on since he said he wouldn't be home until after 7AM. I said "don't worry I know better, I wouldn't have shot until I confirmed you were a stranger in the house."
As always, clinging to our guns and religion out here in Pennsyltucky!
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Drossi
If they can't take joke .....'em
Marky,why live in fear when you own a 12 guage and aren't afraid to use it if you need to? A stranger trespasses without permission on my property and threatens me won't likely have a chance to put a gun to my head with a 2 foot hole in their chest!
Kind of a funny story I remember like it was yesterday (also strongly highlights knowing your target before pulling the trigger in any situation): My parents divorced long ago and when I was a teen my old man would work nights occasionally and it would be me and my kid brother alone. He'd tell me when he was coming home in the morning, etc. He never came home early, until one particular night. I don't know how I heard it, but some time in the middle of the night I heard someone trying to get in our door downstairs. I took my shotgun from the case, got the shells out from another location and loaded that Mossberg up with 00. I grabbed the phone and positioned myself at the top of the stairs for a clear shot to the doorway, less than 10 yards. I announced loudly "Who are you? I have a loaded shotgun. Do not come thru that door unnanounced." A voice says just as loudly "Ryan, it's your Dad I'm home early. It's your DAD!" I walked down and let him in, he couldn't believe I was prepared to defend the home and my brother like that. He was having trouble finding the right key and seeing the lock because I had not left the porch light on since he said he wouldn't be home until after 7AM. I said "don't worry I know better, I wouldn't have shot until I confirmed you were a stranger in the house."
As always, clinging to our guns and religion out here in Pennsyltucky!
prepare for hell.....the liberal amongst us will never understand that story. OMG a kid with a weapon......run for your lives. My dad kept his shotgun within access in his bedroom. He showed us where it was also because if he was out of commission we needed to protect each other and my mom. Funny thing is no one ever accidently got killed... oh yeah we were taught at an early age what the business end of a gun meant. That kind of common sense has now been bred out of our society.
golden beetle
Active member
Marky, as always, an informed poster such as yourself is unappreciated, and even attacked, ridiculed and vilified.
I just read about Claude Dallas. Apparently, he served 22 years in prison, but was released in 2005.
In the article, no mention was made of him relocating to Jersey, and taking up operations with his poaching crew in the Ken Lockwood Gorge, although I suspect that it is possible. He is the type that would put 15 trout on a stringer.
Calling the wardens on Claude Dallas, if he in fact has set up operations in the Gorge, would be asking for trouble, you're damn wise to note it to these knuckleheads.
Perhaps one of the posters here on neff is, in fact, Claude Dallas the poacher, operating under an alias?
I just read about Claude Dallas. Apparently, he served 22 years in prison, but was released in 2005.
In the article, no mention was made of him relocating to Jersey, and taking up operations with his poaching crew in the Ken Lockwood Gorge, although I suspect that it is possible. He is the type that would put 15 trout on a stringer.
Calling the wardens on Claude Dallas, if he in fact has set up operations in the Gorge, would be asking for trouble, you're damn wise to note it to these knuckleheads.
Perhaps one of the posters here on neff is, in fact, Claude Dallas the poacher, operating under an alias?
Mark S.
Fly & Spin Fisherman
ignore and live to tell about it. no trout is worth a punch in the nose or worst a kick in the groin:beingsick:
claude dallas: since when is it self defense to shoot both CO's in the head after they are already down? sic mf should be serving life or worst.
claude dallas: since when is it self defense to shoot both CO's in the head after they are already down? sic mf should be serving life or worst.
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Hllywd76
Get hooked on fly.. just debarb first!!!!
I would love it if someone who was poaching were to punch or kick me. Now they go to jail for assault.
How about that girl that was kidnapped 18 years ago and just found. Seems a neighbor thought something about it only to be told by her husband to mind her own buisness. wow bet he feels like a piece of shit. he could have saved that girl from years of rape and abuse. Image an 18 year old girl with a 7 year old daughter. yeah she wanted to have people turn a blind eye. Only fools turn there backs on people breaking the law. I myself will not turn my back, a call will be made and followed up. Plate and description along with pics and video.
Hllywd
AAAHHHhhhhh... HEeeee... YYYAAAAAHHHHhhhhhh....
jamiep
homeward bound
I will never fish where in not supposed to be and will never go where im not wanted just the way i was brought up.Justice by Salt Peter.
I can tell you a story of a certain 11 year old way back in the 70s that got shot at for trespassing on private property on his bike...:guns:
Let's just say I think twice before going on another's land ever since!
Its a scary situation to be out having a good time fishing then bang bang your gone end of story.
A trout is just not worth it in my book.
NJAngler
Daily trifecta - brookies, browns and rainbows.
any encounter can escalate quickly. ask any patrolman pulling over a speeder. no such thing as a "routine" stop. they walk up hands on holster ready to draw. I'd be careful. you threaten calling cops and they may have reason to get angry - like having outstanding warrants or drugs in the vehicle - and then you've just put yourself in harms way for what, some damn fish? please. there are things were standing up for and getting involved in, poaching fish ain't one of them.
if you MUST do something, then discreetly jot their description and license plate # down and pass it on anonymously to the proper authorities. no need to go "john wayne" unless you think your immortal...
I've sent off emails over the years to the NJDFGW - or other proper authorities(incl. township police) - asking for increased patrols in certain areas i know violations are going on. sometimes thats all it takes.
if you MUST do something, then discreetly jot their description and license plate # down and pass it on anonymously to the proper authorities. no need to go "john wayne" unless you think your immortal...
I've sent off emails over the years to the NJDFGW - or other proper authorities(incl. township police) - asking for increased patrols in certain areas i know violations are going on. sometimes thats all it takes.
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Hllywd76
Get hooked on fly.. just debarb first!!!!
Ignorance must be bliss. When you turn a blind eye you are just as at fault as the person doing the crime.
Hllywd
Hllywd76
Get hooked on fly.. just debarb first!!!!
When you go a few rounds with ex NHL brawlers let me know.
It's not being tough when you do what you say. Report the criminals that's all.
Marys all of you. Where's Jamie when you need him..
If you don't get that's your loss. I'm done.
Hllywd
I get it and it continues to amuse me. The internet tough guys that is.
I also get the all the great advice regarding when and how to turn in law breakers. I just don't really need that advice. I have my own set of morals and am comfortable with my ability to make that decision when the time comes.
I also get the all the great advice regarding when and how to turn in law breakers. I just don't really need that advice. I have my own set of morals and am comfortable with my ability to make that decision when the time comes.
NJAngler
Daily trifecta - brookies, browns and rainbows.
yep, guys talk tough sitting at their keyboard. stream side, face to face is a diff't story.
not for nothing but i would never associate "tough" with fly fisherman. now carp anglers, they ARE tough(Russkaya mafiya)
golden beetle
Active member
I am a bit perplexed by the posting of all these phone numbers, all in the name of protecting the KLG from poachers.
This isn't Africa - we are not protecting endangered rhinos or elephants. We are talking about stocked trout.
Ok - some are wild. So, we are talking about a few trout.
In New Jersey, you can buy ground beef for 2 dollars per pound. To capture a pound of fish from the Gorge, you'd have to pay at least 2 dollars for gas alone.
What is my point? THIS WHOLE THREAD IS NONSENSE. We are imagining a problem that DOES NOT EXIST - poaching is not a serious threat anymore to fish populations, at least in the northeastern United States.
So, for those of you who seem so passionate about protecting trout, I hope I you are streamside at Horton Brook next month doing restoration work.
This isn't Africa - we are not protecting endangered rhinos or elephants. We are talking about stocked trout.
Ok - some are wild. So, we are talking about a few trout.
In New Jersey, you can buy ground beef for 2 dollars per pound. To capture a pound of fish from the Gorge, you'd have to pay at least 2 dollars for gas alone.
What is my point? THIS WHOLE THREAD IS NONSENSE. We are imagining a problem that DOES NOT EXIST - poaching is not a serious threat anymore to fish populations, at least in the northeastern United States.
So, for those of you who seem so passionate about protecting trout, I hope I you are streamside at Horton Brook next month doing restoration work.
mang
Worm dunkers eat it!
While it may seem like an insignificant occurance, poaching can decimate trout populations. A few "skilled" anglers can clean a place out. Catch and release is a matter of personal choice and there are far more serious crimes people can commit, but the rules are posted for a reason. (A trout is far too precious to be caught only once) If you want to kill your catch, the least you can do is go somewhere that allows this practice. The numbers are in my phone, but I'd rather let the air out of poachers tires. I think that would help drive the point home. Stuck in the Gorge with a stringer full of fish smell reminding you you did something wrong.
Stonefly
Conservation isn't a tag line...
And yes I will most likely be at Horton Brook, I know that the personal check I sent to TU for $100.00 donated for the project was cashed, and I like to see my money being put to good use.
Rusty Spinner
Active member
Rick's bringing his (re: my) truck to Horton Brook? Yippee, I have a vehicle to trash!!!
Once again, I am torn about the poacher issues. The real dangerous poachers IMHO are guys who use nets, trotlines, etc to provide trout for fancy restaurants. They will clean out a stream.
Recreational guys cheating - I'm not so sure. One guide I know in NYS has the opinion that if a trout population is really endangered then no fishing should be allowed. That seems reasonable to me.
Sunday I went to the upper SBR at the big hole in downtown Long Valley. The sediment damage was so severe I didn't have the heart to fish it. That is the real threat to the SBR.
Recreational guys cheating - I'm not so sure. One guide I know in NYS has the opinion that if a trout population is really endangered then no fishing should be allowed. That seems reasonable to me.
Sunday I went to the upper SBR at the big hole in downtown Long Valley. The sediment damage was so severe I didn't have the heart to fish it. That is the real threat to the SBR.
