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fall stocking
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Well they don't stock just "breeders," never have. The fall stocking program is made up of 2 yr. old fish, typically about 14-16inches, as well as I think around a 1,000 breeders or so, which are typically fish greater than 17 inches. The prgram will again remain the same as last year.
Here, this is recently posted on the NJDFW site regarding the 2009 fall stocking (visit it for more specific stocking info):
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Fantastic fishing opportunities await trout anglers at dozens of fall trout-stocked streams and lakes in New Jersey. This year fall stocking begins Tuesday, October 6 and continues through October 14. Over this period a total of 20,000 brook, brown, and rainbow trout averaging 14 to 16 inches, and weighing 1½ - 2 pounds, will be distributed in 16 streams and 16 lakes and ponds statewide. All trout are raised at the division's Pequest Trout Hatchery.[/FONT]
<TABLE width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD>[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]These two-year old trout are noticeably bigger than the 10-11 inch trout typically stocked in the spring. This is the 4th consecutive year that Fish & Wildlife has stocked bigger trout for the fall season. In addition to the 20,000 standard production fall trout, another 1,000 exceptionally large rainbow trout broodstock, measuring 17 - 20 inches, and weighing 3 - 5 pounds, aere also mixed in with each truckload of fish.[/FONT] </TD><TD align=middle>
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Waters stocked during the first week of fall stocking are the 16 large streams and rivers in northern and coastal areas, such as the Big Flatbook, Pequest River, South Branch Raritan River, Musconetcong River, and the Manasquan and Tom's Rivers. All fall-stocked waters may be fished as soon as they are stocked (no "closed waters" during fall stocking).[/FONT]
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In NJ it is only the two-year old fish plus the breeders in the fall. In a perfect world it would be nice to raise a mixture of 1-year and 2-year old trout. The problem is the hatchery only has a set of raceways allocated for the fall fish so it has to be one or the other. Coordinating the raceways for all the year's production is made harder by having one batch of fish residing a second year (and also by the hatchery being understaffed). Getting the larger fish out to the stream is also more complicated since less large fish fit in a truck and there are less drivers. The casualty here are the culls which used to go out in the fall.
Corndog
Ephemerella Subvaria
Their lying...they never stock the Flatbrook and there are no trout left in it. May as well fish the KLG.
Cdog
Rusty Spinner
Active member
Actually, the culls went out last week. Typically fish in the 4"-6" range. I know the Musky took a ton of small bows recently. The division does not publicize these stockings, but I know the Toms and other streams were also recent recipients of these stockings of culls over the last week or two. These fish won't be of legal size for another year provided they aren't eaten by mergansers, herons or big browns
Corndog
Ephemerella Subvaria
Actually, the culls went out last week. Typically fish in the 4"-6" range. I know the Musky took a ton of small bows recently. The division does not publicize these stockings, but I know the Toms and other streams were also recent recipients of these stockings of culls over the last week or two. These fish won't be of legal size for another year provided they aren't eaten by mergansers, herons or big browns
...and the poachers. I've seen many guys with stringers of those little 4" trout.
Cdog
jimmy229oz
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"All fall-stocked waters may be fished as soon as they are stocked"
This is a very stupid idea considering the mentality of many in New Jersey. Ive heard horror stories about this, but never fish that day to find out for sure.
This is a very stupid idea considering the mentality of many in New Jersey. Ive heard horror stories about this, but never fish that day to find out for sure.
It was brought to the divisions attention about the shenanigans that were going on as far as the Fall stocking was concerned.
But like the KLG road plans, it fell on deaf ears:beingsick:
Too much concern about licence sales to bother with doing the right thing and closing streams the day that they are stocked.:finger:
But like the KLG road plans, it fell on deaf ears:beingsick:
Too much concern about licence sales to bother with doing the right thing and closing streams the day that they are stocked.:finger:
I was really up in arms about the abuses I saw last fall, but have calmed down since. Last fall was really bad. The rivers were bone dry, the fish couldn't hide and it was a snaggers heaven. People lined up under the bridges while the fish were dumped in to nab a few right away (a very ugly sight). If the water is up they get a chance to hide out for a while (like this year hopefully). Some fish may bite right away, but most take a few days to get acclimated.
Back to last fall. The fall fishing was not so great for me and I saw many, many fish snagged out or with lures, flies and hooks hanging onto them like the ropes and lances stuck into Moby Dick. Watching poor behavior and having so-so fishing didn't put me in a good mood. At the December fisheries meeting the crowd was hostile, and I among many recommended something be done.
By January a funny thing happened. Those 2 year old fish started biting at the nearby spots on the Musconetcong and all the fishermen headed over to the Pequest and KLG TCAs. That left some pretty good fishing with no other fishermen. I tried to fish the Pequest a couple of times in the winter and was driven away by the crowds. That was OK with me because the Muskie and the upper SBR fished just fine amid peace and quiet. My anger at the fall stocking started to slowly dissipate.
However, closing on stocking day is still a good idea to me.
Back to last fall. The fall fishing was not so great for me and I saw many, many fish snagged out or with lures, flies and hooks hanging onto them like the ropes and lances stuck into Moby Dick. Watching poor behavior and having so-so fishing didn't put me in a good mood. At the December fisheries meeting the crowd was hostile, and I among many recommended something be done.
By January a funny thing happened. Those 2 year old fish started biting at the nearby spots on the Musconetcong and all the fishermen headed over to the Pequest and KLG TCAs. That left some pretty good fishing with no other fishermen. I tried to fish the Pequest a couple of times in the winter and was driven away by the crowds. That was OK with me because the Muskie and the upper SBR fished just fine amid peace and quiet. My anger at the fall stocking started to slowly dissipate.
However, closing on stocking day is still a good idea to me.
Drossi
If they can't take joke .....'em
Other than the truck chasers harrassing the stocking staff, getting in the way, and acting like dicks who really cares that they can harvest the stockies instantly. News flash...IMHO many fish just off the truck go into thermal shock and don't hit. (I've seen this many times a local kids contests, it's almost the exception when they do bite well). So their effort is entertainingly futile. (Snagging is a different, illegal issue and should be dealt with accordingly.) So closing the streams really doesn't seem to have that much of an effect on the holdover potential or how else would you explain all the fishing reports of us catching fall stockies in Feb and March. Besides even if every stream were C&R only during the fall, more fish are stocked than any of our NJ streams can carry, there's not enough food and cover for them to winter over. The same number that holds over now would probably hold over in that case also, again my opinion. Best thing you can do is get away from KLG, Pt Mtn, and the 'quest TCA, those fish just get hammered all the time. The holdovers are out there (like the truth)....seek and thou shall find....or better yet...f#ck it hammer the TCA's and more popular, sexy spots into submission and bitch about the fall stocking. That makes for a better February for me, with fall stockie holders that I catch during the LBS hatch.
Great Lakes Man
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I am heading out to Washington to do some fly fishing. Talk about regs. Fly Fishing only catch and release barbless hooks only. Oh yea, They enforce this as well.
Hllywd76
Get hooked on fly.. just debarb first!!!!
Go ahead get caught. Yes they do enforce and even more by local anglers. They protect their resource and are serious about it.
Hllywd
MACFLY
Too many streams too little time
WoW those were some nice fish. Too bad they dumped them in that shallow water. Looks like you could have walked up and netted the trout no problem.
Trying to recall what they used to stock before the big ones. I'm recalling numbers up in the 50K-60k. 2500 in some of the better streams seems like not much but I guess as JeffK said the fish are still there in the winter and spring.
coolkyle
De nalgas!
You almost need a law degree to decipher WA's regs. Good thing Seattle is rated as the most "educated" city in the nation.
P.S. Just saw your post on WFF, looks like you had fun!
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At a-way to go...
You should show those people....
Go over to Girl Scout Trout and tell them when they are stocking and the hord of spinner's will follow the "New" truck and clean house once they drop those poor fish into the river.
Oh yeah.... Girl Scout Trout = Treble Hook Hollow
Drossi
If they can't take joke .....'em
And he doesn't post endless, thread killing, annoying youtube links.
Denlon
Denny- Nothing is ever easy
... but I know the Toms and other streams were also recent recipients of these stockings of culls over the last week or two. These fish won't be of legal size for another year provided they aren't eaten by mergansers, herons or big browns
OR the big pickerel in the TOMs.
Denny
Drossi
If they can't take joke .....'em
He sure does, a few too many "way too sensitive types" over there
And don't forget the one's who want to make everything about them. Sometimes it's Gone Sensitive Trout.
Great Lakes Man
New member
I had a blast! It was so difficult to find a place where the natives were not netting. I wish I had been there a week later the Coho were starting to run behind the pinks. The Pinks were a blast, Hooked 50 or so and landed 10. I do not think they were feeding but the Pink Crazy Charlie really annoyed them enough for them to strike. Rivers up there are big and super strong current. Every Odd year the Pink Salmon run is crazy. Used sinking leader 3 ips with a 8lb FC tippet. That King put a hurting on me like nothing I ever felt before. All I saw was a tail hit the top of the water. It was so big it splashed me.
Time for Steel on the Cat and the Elk. We need rain in the great lakes tribs.
Well it's that time of the year again and the streams are low as shit.
You think they would delay this due to the fact that most if not all the streams that will be stocked this week are low.
But this is NJ and "Common Sense" will not come into play here.
Gonna be a field day for the Truck following jerk-offs.:finger:
You think they would delay this due to the fact that most if not all the streams that will be stocked this week are low.
But this is NJ and "Common Sense" will not come into play here.
Gonna be a field day for the Truck following jerk-offs.:finger:
I hope it pours this week, because this is the week that the major streams here get their fish,
It would be great if it rains like hell while the state is putting the Trout in.
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