Why Tca sucks!

[Fredy]

wow, really? i came to this site to search for pequest conditions and i see a pic of myself. your sneaky james bond photo is of me, about one week after i picked up a fly rod for the first time. sorry for crowding you mate. for what its worth, we had heavy rain on thanksgiving and the river was high and muddy that week..that crease between the main run and spillway outflow harbors an abundance of fish and somewhat clear water during crappy conditions..making it a logical place to try for the newb that i was at the time. yesterday i stood in that same spot and the water was up to my ankles.

more importantly, the pequest tca is not a free for all treble slinging warzone full of @$$holes like you make it seem. Ive been a regular there for the last 4 months and 99% of the guys who fish there are courteous, knowledgable, friendly, and willing to help us young guys out. theres an occasional infiltration of russian and czech dudes who harvest a fish or two but overall the pequest tca offers a great atmosphere and good time for fisherman old, young, experienced, and new to the craft- lets not forget the quality and abundance of BIG fish that are always hungry and easy to catch. There's a reason people flock to this stretch of river..
(disclaimer: i haven't fished it during spring stocking season, but from what i hear i will probably stay away)

maybe the pequest was a warzone back in the day, but its been a great experience frequenting this spot for the last 4 months. I went from knowing nothing to becoming a pretty seasoned fly fisherman and i woulnd't be where i am without the welcoming help of the guys who fish there regularly. (it also helps living a mile away)

and mr utah, instead of taking weird pedo pics so you could type up a post on that lousy blog of yours, you could have offered me some advice or nicely asked me to back off, im always open to constructive criticism from seasoned fishermen (Assuming you actually know what youre doing). and my 'bigger than a golfball' indicator was nothing more than the popular orvis ones that literally 99% of fly guys have used before lol. for what its worth, if you don't like standing in trout, get the heck out of the spillway. the only people who fish there are the old timers who can't wade the river. better yet, from the looks of where you are standing, you might as well walk up to the top of the spillway and snag the "hogs" from the cement chute. you need to relax buddy..get the sand out of your v, it is pretentenious pricks like yourself that give FF a bad name :down:



tight lines fellas, see u out there.

HAHA! he said "Fellas" :hi:


Not for nothing but, no matter what stream your fishing you yeally should not be that close to other anglers. It's just common courtesy. Stay outta my dance space! Welcome aboard, glad you stuck with the fly rod.

 

[Rusty Spinner]

headshake - welcome to NEFF. In no time you'll be spelling out the "V" word and taking on all the maniacs on here. But they're all good guys in their own rights, so just roll with the punches. BTW, if you feel like you're ready, head downstream where you're apt to have the river to yourself and nearly as many fish. You'll like the solitude and learning new things on your own in time. Have fun in Disney Trout Land in the meantime

 

[Johnny Utah]

[h=2]:rofl::rofl:[/h]Your to funny and those pms you sent are classic! Thanks for the laughs and thanks for getting one of my links hot again!

 

[CTobias]

my 'bigger than a golfball' indicator was nothing more than the popular orvis ones that literally 99% of fly guys have used.......... I went from knowing nothing to becoming a pretty seasoned fly fisherman .......

I believe you're talking about a thingamabobber...Sorry...I've never used one...why don't you just use a real bobber? Probably a little cheaper.

I think what you meant to say was a seasoned fisherman on the pequest?

it is pretentenious pricks like yourself that give FF a bad name.......

Keep talking about how seasoned you are and you'll turn into a pretentious prick too. I believe that is the word you were looking for, pretentious, not pretentenious....what ever that means....also if you're going to try and use a big word...at least spell check it first....

 

[gregschmegg]

Hey sorry to re-hash an old discussion... After almost going fist to cuffs with a meat fisherman yesterday I googled "Fishing NJ TCA is a Joke" and got a link to this thread.

Interesting discussion so I registered to this form.

About me (short version)- Im 39 and starting fly fishing and tying flies with my Dad and Uncle at age 15. I grew up near Hackettstown so the Musky was a bike ride away and i got hooked early. Years went by and i dropped fishing all together (mainly work related in the city), then i got heavily into salt water fishing.. now thanks to steep diesel prices our boat is dry this season and i'm back fly fishing again.

First thing i noticed this summer were the changes to the TCA's ... the Pequest with its Seasonal TCA and Musky point mountain addition. I fished the pequest hatchery parking lot TCA yesterday, on my day off, and watch some kid literally "snag" a trophy rainbow up in the spillway in 6" of water, net and kill it. I also saw another guy take a fish while talking on his cellphone. My initial thought were these meat a-holes were poaching, until someone explain to me they are allowed a 1 fish limit now and spinner baits are permitted fishing. (!?!)

Long story short this is not for me... I guess by today's standards i'm considered a strick conservationist (never thought that would happen). I wouldn't have even fished that stretch of the river had not the low streams and warm weather kept me away from other spots.

I'm going to re-issue my north jersey TU membership today, and i hope to find others looking to change NJ TCA regs back to fly fishing only, barb-less hooked no meat zones.

Again sorry to bump a year old thread up like this and hope i didn't upset anyone doing so.

-Greg

 

[mbwmn]

Hey sorry to re-hash an old discussion...
I'm going to re-issue my north jersey TU membership today, and i hope to find others looking to change NJ TCA regs back to fly fishing only, barb-less hooked no meat zones.

Again sorry to bump a year old thread up like this and hope i didn't upset anyone doing so.

-Greg

Not at all...please continue-

 

[JeffK]

I'll be the fly in the punchbowl!!!

All fly fishers want fly only and C&R. However, that is rarely politically viable and the only fly only/C&R water I know of are the Fly Zones at the Salmon R and the Heritage Angling (Little Lehigh & Fisherman's Paradise) sections in PA. However, the 15", 1 per day TCA rule does keep the fishery OK and protects nearly all the wild fish. I saw a couple of guys creel fish yesterday at the Pequest, but one is still able to catch tons of fish there and even after a summer of harvest there are more larger trout than you are likely to catch elsewhere. The NJ TCAs, most of PAs special regulation like Delayed Harvest and Trophy Trout, and the No-kill regulations in the Catskills on the Beaverkill and the Willow are artificials only. Locals and landowners generally stonewall special regs if spinning is outlawed.

 

[mbwmn]

I'll be the fly in the punchbowl!!!

All fly fishers want fly only and C&R. However, that is rarely politically viable and the only fly only/C&R water I know of are the Fly Zones at the Salmon R and the Heritage Angling (Little Lehigh & Fisherman's Paradise) sections in PA. However, the 15", 1 per day TCA rule does keep the fishery OK and protects nearly all the wild fish. I saw a couple of guys creel fish yesterday at the Pequest, but one is still able to catch tons of fish there and even after a summer of harvest there are more larger trout than you are likely to catch elsewhere. The NJ TCAs, most of PAs special regulation like Delayed Harvest and Trophy Trout, and the No-kill regulations in the Catskills on the Beaverkill and the Willow are artificials only. Locals and landowners generally stonewall special regs if spinning is outlawed.

SPOT BURNER!
...lol...

 

[Lonewolve]

IMHO, and i live in Pa, there should be fly only water period dotcom exclamation point,and then the rest of the stream can be say open to the other folks. Make all the Fly only sections be in the best places on any stream,ex: springs or good habitat..exploit this further by buying stream easements in thses sections for inperpetuity. Then do alot of Riparian work as well as instream devices where appropriate.
Then raise the penalty for folks that just want to do what they want to do by making the penalties financially burdensome an removing their fishing privledges for an extreme amount of time. don't stop there either confiscate all their equipment the first time.If they get caught after this , take away their driving privledges for a few years .If they caught after that put a lein on ther property garnish their wages.
I laugh at buttholes who whine that there are flyfishing only sections on rivers an streams. If they had any brains they could go out an buy a outfit an some leaders an flies an fish the fly only sections.just some of my 2 cents.
We need more fly sections IMHO! Also with the confiscated equipment you could start a kids program from sales of said equipment or use some of the equipment to do this.also any proceeds could go to the habiata restoration projects/studies as well as to get a few more officers trained an give them a raise for an incentive.
From my experience enforcement with also stiffer penalties is the only way folks are going to learn, also education is a big help too basic education is all it takes knowing right from worng, and having character..whiche equates to doing the right thing when no one is looking an doing it because it is right.

 

[CTobias]

Ahhh people from New Jersey. Do they teach you guys to ride in the left hand lane when you're going the same speed as the person in the right?

Would you expect anything less from a wanker wearing a vest? Surprised he didn't come over and ask for some flies.

 

[JeffK]

I take the other approach mostly. Fly fish in regular water where the bait guys quit two days after the last stocking and no other fly fishermen ever go. Peace and quiet and fish that haven't been conditioned to flies, but wouldn't take a Mepps spinner, Power Bait, or a nightcrawler. I've always said the best part of TCAs is that they load 95% of the fly fishermen in 2% of the water. That leaves plenty for the rest of us.

The Pequest is unique in NJ because the hatchery outflow (everybody knows that) and the local springs (few people take the time to find them) keep it cool all summer and warm all winter. Good place for a TCA and holds gobs of fish - also draws crowds. Not much spot burn here. Other cold water spots in NJ are mostly small, little known streams. Usually have to pry these out of people at gunpoint.

At least in NJ, code changes go through Sportsmans Associations (mostly hunters) and the Fish and Game Council has a healthy farmer presence. These guys support the rank and file fishermen and view efforts to make places fly only as elitist. In that environment artificials only is the compromise. Therefore, be nice to hunters and farmers and they will support you. This isn't a perfect world for fly fishermen, but hunters and farmers are 10,000 times more friendly to fishermen than any change to the Fish and Game Council that has been proposed by Trenton, so be careful in your criticisms - any changes are almost certainly be to the detriment of outsdoormen.

 

[BrownChickenBrownTrout]

Id be pissed if they made whole rivers spinner or live bait only. There's 100 times more of them than fly fishers. I think we'd be outside looking in if regs started getting tighter.

Thanks to the meat hunters I haven't caught a single stockie this summer. It's only been nice pretty wild fish.

 

[troutpunk]

Where do those bait guys go? Powerbait does expire. At least there's plenty parking.

 

[Streamdance]

#1 Reason I hate the TCA. The trout hugged the deepest hole over to the right side about 25 feet from the tip of the island going down stream all summer long. Old Man Chuck never took one step out of that hole. I swear that old fart sleeps in the tree above it. Nice guy though.

 

[Greased Line Swinger]

The Pequest is unique in NJ because the hatchery outflow (everybody knows that) and the local springs (few people take the time to find them) keep it cool all summer and warm all winter.

Jeff, how do you find the springs in a river? Is taking lots of temperature readings the way, or are there other things to look for?

 

[mbwmn]

If you wet wade when most of the river is frozen the springs will be the warm spots...unless someone upstream had too much coffee.

 

[Greased Line Swinger]

That won't work for me, I make my own warm spots. I learned that in winter it draws the fish in.

 

[tomfly]

They are going to keep sucking until they make them no-kill and Fly-fishing exclusivity. Why this will never happen is the mind set of the spin fishermen " Keep every fish in all the other waters and when those resources are finished. Fish the TCA's and wipe them out."

 

[flyI4]

thats not true....i see ethical spin fisherman all the time, and conversely meet a lot of fly guys that dont know how to handle a fish what so ever. How man fly guys do the good ole bank shot with their trout(PDuane for instance, whose not only infamous for the muddy trout bank shot but also for claiming he fishes for trout all summer long in low flows).

 

[mbwmn]

If you wet wade when most of the river is frozen the springs will be the warm spots...unless someone upstream had too much coffee.

i cannot believe one of you pricks found my post unhelpful.

 

[tomfly]

thats not true....i see ethical spin fisherman all the time, and conversely meet a lot of fly guys that dont know how to handle a fish what so ever. How man fly guys do the good ole bank shot with their trout(PDuane for instance, whose not only infamous for the muddy trout bank shot but also for claiming he fishes for trout all summer long in low flows).

I guess you missed the part where i said no-kill

 

[GARYB]

If you wet wade when most of the river is frozen the springs will be the warm spots...unless someone upstream had too much coffee.

Or you could wade in the summer and find the cold areas.