Paflyfisher29
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anyone fish cedar creek in allentown?
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Paflyfisher29
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did you ever fish where the lawyers stock'em in?
Here, I'm just gonna use my post from another forum - this should tell you everything you need to know about how Cedar has been fishing ths year - to say the least, it has been excellent for 5 fish limits weighing 20 pounds or more. Any questions, e-mail me, I lived and still keep an apartment right on Little Cedar Creek. The lawyers section needs to be fished out and give the wild browns a chance to retake over this stretch.
There exists in Allentown a beautiful class A wild trout stream. It's called Cedar Creek and its the creek that flows out of Dorney park. Now the Class A section exists between Cedar Crest BLVD and Ott street, and I'm not here to talk abotu that. I'm targeting this post to the section from Haines Mill Road to about 200 yards downstream. This stretch of water was a piece of this Class A water for a long time. UNTIL MR ALLEN AND HIS RAINBOWS!!!. Seems there is a gentleman whose house borders this park known as Mr. Allen. He decided to use his own personal money and stock fingerling rainbows into this Public park creek last June (and he's been doing this for 4 years now) and feed them everday. he has created a monstrous fishery of an average trout in this stretch being 16 inches with plentyh over 20 and a few holdover now breaking 8 pounds. Since opening day, we have removed 60 trout including 4 browns and 3 rainbows topping 6 pounds with the trophy going to an 11 pound rainbow. There are still a few hundred left. Believe it boys, this aint no BS, and if you don't believe me, just go to this stretch of water and see for yourself. The creek is 12 feet wide and 3 feet deep. Its an aquarium for sure.
Now why am I advertising such a hidden gem. I want my native browns back. Once you get below his polluted stretch where he feeds them, the trout become the most colorful, tasty, and acrobatic fish you could possibly hook into on a fly rod. But with his mutant rainbows and browns in this stretch, a native has no chance, and a lot of concerned anglers feel the same.
What can we do to help this class A water regain its glory - go to this creek and fish it, bring all your freinds, bring everyone who enjoys a 5 fish limit. It seems that Mr. Allen loves to Harass law abiding fisherman for keeping his fish. he will yell, bitch and scream at you for keeping what he calls his fish.. Lee, the fish warden for Lehigh county has been called out so many times on harrasment deals from him, he don't bother anymore, he just allows us law abiders to scream back (and I think he looks the other way every time Mr. Allen goes for a swim). Everyone to Mr. Allen is a meeter and Mr. Allen has claimed if all he is doing is supporting a meat fishery, he will discontinue his stocking program.. That is what I am counting on, as well as hope that all the issues his stocking has created will become a nuisance to Lee and his permit to stock these fish upstream of a class A wild trout water will be revoked.
Plus, there is a canal that leads to haines mill that is chock full of monstrous fish that also can be legally fished and harvested. This is really too easy, its a fish a cast and most people avoid the canal due to it being so easy. but alas, Mr. Allen decided to put my 11 year old cousin into tears due to him being in the canal and harvesting a nice rainbow. That was the last straw, I fish the canal exclusively now to the rants and rage of both Mr. Allen, his son, and all sorts minions who took it upon themselves to create their own law and police their creek. My useful tool is my middle finger and the law.
So guys, please, i'm going to advertise this creek on every fishing forum out there, I only ask that you tell your freinds, family, or whoever about this creek and have them go in there and take a limit. Take a limit, use the fish for flathead or cut them up for stripers or channel cats. The few of us who enjoy wiley browns will thank you five years from now once the creek returns to its former glory.
Thanx for listening, best of luck.
Dr. JM
P.S. need more info, just PM or post a question, I'll get back to it ASAP.
There exists in Allentown a beautiful class A wild trout stream. It's called Cedar Creek and its the creek that flows out of Dorney park. Now the Class A section exists between Cedar Crest BLVD and Ott street, and I'm not here to talk abotu that. I'm targeting this post to the section from Haines Mill Road to about 200 yards downstream. This stretch of water was a piece of this Class A water for a long time. UNTIL MR ALLEN AND HIS RAINBOWS!!!. Seems there is a gentleman whose house borders this park known as Mr. Allen. He decided to use his own personal money and stock fingerling rainbows into this Public park creek last June (and he's been doing this for 4 years now) and feed them everday. he has created a monstrous fishery of an average trout in this stretch being 16 inches with plentyh over 20 and a few holdover now breaking 8 pounds. Since opening day, we have removed 60 trout including 4 browns and 3 rainbows topping 6 pounds with the trophy going to an 11 pound rainbow. There are still a few hundred left. Believe it boys, this aint no BS, and if you don't believe me, just go to this stretch of water and see for yourself. The creek is 12 feet wide and 3 feet deep. Its an aquarium for sure.
Now why am I advertising such a hidden gem. I want my native browns back. Once you get below his polluted stretch where he feeds them, the trout become the most colorful, tasty, and acrobatic fish you could possibly hook into on a fly rod. But with his mutant rainbows and browns in this stretch, a native has no chance, and a lot of concerned anglers feel the same.
What can we do to help this class A water regain its glory - go to this creek and fish it, bring all your freinds, bring everyone who enjoys a 5 fish limit. It seems that Mr. Allen loves to Harass law abiding fisherman for keeping his fish. he will yell, bitch and scream at you for keeping what he calls his fish.. Lee, the fish warden for Lehigh county has been called out so many times on harrasment deals from him, he don't bother anymore, he just allows us law abiders to scream back (and I think he looks the other way every time Mr. Allen goes for a swim). Everyone to Mr. Allen is a meeter and Mr. Allen has claimed if all he is doing is supporting a meat fishery, he will discontinue his stocking program.. That is what I am counting on, as well as hope that all the issues his stocking has created will become a nuisance to Lee and his permit to stock these fish upstream of a class A wild trout water will be revoked.
Plus, there is a canal that leads to haines mill that is chock full of monstrous fish that also can be legally fished and harvested. This is really too easy, its a fish a cast and most people avoid the canal due to it being so easy. but alas, Mr. Allen decided to put my 11 year old cousin into tears due to him being in the canal and harvesting a nice rainbow. That was the last straw, I fish the canal exclusively now to the rants and rage of both Mr. Allen, his son, and all sorts minions who took it upon themselves to create their own law and police their creek. My useful tool is my middle finger and the law.
So guys, please, i'm going to advertise this creek on every fishing forum out there, I only ask that you tell your freinds, family, or whoever about this creek and have them go in there and take a limit. Take a limit, use the fish for flathead or cut them up for stripers or channel cats. The few of us who enjoy wiley browns will thank you five years from now once the creek returns to its former glory.
Thanx for listening, best of luck.
Dr. JM
P.S. need more info, just PM or post a question, I'll get back to it ASAP.
If I'm ever allowed to post attachments, I would gladly post pics of these enormous fish for everyone to drool over, but none-theless, I simply am not allowed and don't know why. If a moderator out there would kindly allow it, I could certainly be a lot more useful and put out some posts on the PA board. Thanx.
Dr. JM
Dr. JM
Paflyfisher29
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guys watch out! my buddy had a huge 27in native brown on and he said he can't wait to put it on the wall. then a guy comes running up and snaps his line, and yells " Fish Killer"! i wasn't there, thank god i wasn't because i would be in Jail :guns:.
Paflyfisher29
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miserjoe where is the canal? is it the little stream that runs into the main stream?
pa flyfisher, gotta be a little more specific. Little CedarCreek flows in right at the intersection of broadway and cedar crest blvd. The canal I'm talking about is right at haines mill road 100 feet from the creek and a small little ditch creek does flow out of it into Cedar. You can't miss the canal,if you are stading on the bridge on Haines mill looking downstream on cedar, the canal is on our left 100 feet from the creek. You drive over it if you drive on Haines mill road from Broadway. Be forewarned, the canal upstream of haines mill is actually a part of Doreny Park Lake which you can'tfish. You can fish cedar all the way up to the dam at Dorney park lake.
And your story of him cutting off a 27 inch fish is nothing new, I've heard he has done it before. At that point, I would be defending my property and he'd be swimming, it takes every ounce of control not to dunk him. But was it native??? I doubt it, although I have seen the native browns start feeding on his pellets, but really, the few 10 pound browns that are left are all holdovers from 3 ears ago.
Dr. JM
And your story of him cutting off a 27 inch fish is nothing new, I've heard he has done it before. At that point, I would be defending my property and he'd be swimming, it takes every ounce of control not to dunk him. But was it native??? I doubt it, although I have seen the native browns start feeding on his pellets, but really, the few 10 pound browns that are left are all holdovers from 3 ears ago.
Dr. JM
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Paflyfisher29
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so i guess i was fishing the canal, because i was fishing below the bridge which is below the pond and dam. sorry i dont know the name of the roads, i only fished it ones.
MiserJoe,
Imma tell you how it is being that I know Mr Allen.That Section of Cedar Creek was declassified years ago!Mr Allen has actually been Stocking the Area for 6-7 Years and has gotten all the Permits to do so.Do I agree?Absolutely not,I'd rather Fish for Natives but what can you do when PEOPLE have different views on what a Fishery should be and has down everything Legally?
It all started in 2001-2002 when some Locals that have the Stream run behind their House decided to get together and Stocked the Stream to have their own Recreation year round being that all of the Area's Streams were pounded by Meat Guys,they wanted to Stock and have their own C & R Stream.They Governed the Stream's Rules amongest themselves since they Paid to have it Stocked out of their Pockets.They let people who shared the same Thought Fish the Area as long as you C & R the Fish you caught.The only time you had Issues was when you were caught with Fish.The true fact is there's nothing anyone can do because they Stocked it Legally!The CO's will not pay mind to the Area because "It's Privitely Stocked".If it was Stocked by the State they would make it more of a Priority to Patrol it.Now this is why you get the Confrontational Issue's.
Now Miserjoe,me knowing the fact that the people who Pay to have it Stocked wouldn't bother you unless you violated their Rules tells me you did just that.You probably got the run down and was asked to C & R but you didn't?Mr Allen then probably got Confrontational after seeing you a few times keeping Fish after he asked you not to,do I stand correct?Cause I've only seen that action with people who refuse to listen to their simple wishes.So therefore I take it that you along with the other people you mention that was "Harrassed",was done so after being allowed to Fish the Section and was told what the way of the land was there.
Now for a POINTER to all Reading this.Miserjoe is telling the truth.There are HUGE Fish and plenty of them.Mr Allen can be down right Confrontational along with others that Fish the Section but Miserjoe didnt tell anyone about Mr Allen makes Routine Patrols with a Huge 60 pound Pitbull that is all Muscle just in case Guys wanna get outta hand.Miserjoe you can now share info on the Pitbull with all Reading.
Imma tell you how it is being that I know Mr Allen.That Section of Cedar Creek was declassified years ago!Mr Allen has actually been Stocking the Area for 6-7 Years and has gotten all the Permits to do so.Do I agree?Absolutely not,I'd rather Fish for Natives but what can you do when PEOPLE have different views on what a Fishery should be and has down everything Legally?
It all started in 2001-2002 when some Locals that have the Stream run behind their House decided to get together and Stocked the Stream to have their own Recreation year round being that all of the Area's Streams were pounded by Meat Guys,they wanted to Stock and have their own C & R Stream.They Governed the Stream's Rules amongest themselves since they Paid to have it Stocked out of their Pockets.They let people who shared the same Thought Fish the Area as long as you C & R the Fish you caught.The only time you had Issues was when you were caught with Fish.The true fact is there's nothing anyone can do because they Stocked it Legally!The CO's will not pay mind to the Area because "It's Privitely Stocked".If it was Stocked by the State they would make it more of a Priority to Patrol it.Now this is why you get the Confrontational Issue's.
Now Miserjoe,me knowing the fact that the people who Pay to have it Stocked wouldn't bother you unless you violated their Rules tells me you did just that.You probably got the run down and was asked to C & R but you didn't?Mr Allen then probably got Confrontational after seeing you a few times keeping Fish after he asked you not to,do I stand correct?Cause I've only seen that action with people who refuse to listen to their simple wishes.So therefore I take it that you along with the other people you mention that was "Harrassed",was done so after being allowed to Fish the Section and was told what the way of the land was there.
Now for a POINTER to all Reading this.Miserjoe is telling the truth.There are HUGE Fish and plenty of them.Mr Allen can be down right Confrontational along with others that Fish the Section but Miserjoe didnt tell anyone about Mr Allen makes Routine Patrols with a Huge 60 pound Pitbull that is all Muscle just in case Guys wanna get outta hand.Miserjoe you can now share info on the Pitbull with all Reading.
sstasiak
Super Pupa
If I were to fish this stream on public property, why would I care what the private landowners rules are for the stretches of stream that flow through their property? I personally don't keep fish, but as long as anglers are abiding by the state regulations, they are allowed to take their legal limit. Now, if you get permission to fish the private property with a rule to strictly C&R and you break that rule, that's another story...it doesn't seem like that's the case though.
While fishing, I'm respectful in every way with regard to private property, but there's no way in hell I'd let anyone tell me how to fish a public section of river because they own property at some point along its course. I also wouldn't take to kindly to someone trying to intimidate me with their dog while fishing a public stream.
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Steve,
I agree with what your saying!However being that their Morals to the Case is kinda twisted there's no way to Compromise with them on the Subject of it being on Public Land.I in the Case just used to Fish it and leave it be although expressing my Concerns in Reguards to the Wild Population,again their Outlook is twisted when it comes to it.
Their honest Opinion on it is that "If it wasn't for us Stocking this Stretch noone would bother Fishing except a few Stray Fly Fisherman who venture up from the Class A Section,besides that the Section got no pressure.Now that we Stock all the Meat Guys come and harvest everything like they do everywhere else.All we want to do is to be able to catch Quality(BTW STOCKED 8 POUNDERS ARE THEIR OPINION OF QUALITY FISH).We Pay to have it Stocked."
I agree with what your saying!However being that their Morals to the Case is kinda twisted there's no way to Compromise with them on the Subject of it being on Public Land.I in the Case just used to Fish it and leave it be although expressing my Concerns in Reguards to the Wild Population,again their Outlook is twisted when it comes to it.
Their honest Opinion on it is that "If it wasn't for us Stocking this Stretch noone would bother Fishing except a few Stray Fly Fisherman who venture up from the Class A Section,besides that the Section got no pressure.Now that we Stock all the Meat Guys come and harvest everything like they do everywhere else.All we want to do is to be able to catch Quality(BTW STOCKED 8 POUNDERS ARE THEIR OPINION OF QUALITY FISH).We Pay to have it Stocked."
Finally, after posting this on 4 different forums, someone who has set the record book straight and is fighting for these fish. Now I know I have advertised this creek correctly, and I apologize if any of my facts were off.
Didn't realize it was 2001, I just remember when Mr. Allen use to stock browns and even brooks back in 2003 and 2004 when for the first time I told myself there was no need to run to Oak Orchard to chase down a 12 pound brown, that was my basis for saying 4 years ago. I know he has the permits, but this was a a Class A water, still holds a lot of wild trout from that first bend pool all the way down to Lk Muhlenburg, plus a lot of natives up at the Dorney park dam. Mr Allen's trout have killed everything in between and that's just not right. If he stops stocking it, there will still be year round recreation. The native browns will take over this section again and I know Cedar can produce 18 inch native browns. No need to feed them pellets.
And what rules are we talking about here? This is a public creek inside a public park that is being stocked privately. Does that give them the right to make up there own rules? I don't care if the President himself bought a trout and threw it in there, the creek and every fish in it are governed by the PAFBC and Lehigh County parks. The PAFBC says the creek is governed by commonwealth inalnd water regulations thus a person can legally harvest 5 trout using bait, flies, or lures. If they want to continue to pay out of their pockets to stock a PUBLIC stream in a PUBLIC park, they need to come to the conclusion that people can legally come and harvest their fish, and their harassment of anglers is illegal.
How many private clubs stock the lehigh with thier own private money? Do you think any of them yell, harass, and scrutinize anglers because one walked rightt to their stocking point and harvested 5 fish? How many other clubs stock Public Waters so they can have year round recreation but have the sense to know that they can't scrutinize anglers for harvesting their fish.
You make this place seem like the Spring Ridge Club.
And as for his pit bull, he a luvable pup, I've fed him a few slim jims in my time. I'd love to know if he has ever sicked him on anyone? It's just another one of those scare tactices, lot of bark and no bite. Mr. Allen ain't that stupid.
And I know Lee don't care, why do you think I'm trying to make a Difference.
Dr. JM
Didn't realize it was 2001, I just remember when Mr. Allen use to stock browns and even brooks back in 2003 and 2004 when for the first time I told myself there was no need to run to Oak Orchard to chase down a 12 pound brown, that was my basis for saying 4 years ago. I know he has the permits, but this was a a Class A water, still holds a lot of wild trout from that first bend pool all the way down to Lk Muhlenburg, plus a lot of natives up at the Dorney park dam. Mr Allen's trout have killed everything in between and that's just not right. If he stops stocking it, there will still be year round recreation. The native browns will take over this section again and I know Cedar can produce 18 inch native browns. No need to feed them pellets.
And what rules are we talking about here? This is a public creek inside a public park that is being stocked privately. Does that give them the right to make up there own rules? I don't care if the President himself bought a trout and threw it in there, the creek and every fish in it are governed by the PAFBC and Lehigh County parks. The PAFBC says the creek is governed by commonwealth inalnd water regulations thus a person can legally harvest 5 trout using bait, flies, or lures. If they want to continue to pay out of their pockets to stock a PUBLIC stream in a PUBLIC park, they need to come to the conclusion that people can legally come and harvest their fish, and their harassment of anglers is illegal.
How many private clubs stock the lehigh with thier own private money? Do you think any of them yell, harass, and scrutinize anglers because one walked rightt to their stocking point and harvested 5 fish? How many other clubs stock Public Waters so they can have year round recreation but have the sense to know that they can't scrutinize anglers for harvesting their fish.
You make this place seem like the Spring Ridge Club.
And as for his pit bull, he a luvable pup, I've fed him a few slim jims in my time. I'd love to know if he has ever sicked him on anyone? It's just another one of those scare tactices, lot of bark and no bite. Mr. Allen ain't that stupid.
And I know Lee don't care, why do you think I'm trying to make a Difference.
Dr. JM
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Paflyfisher29
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good post!
Paflyfisher29
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Mr.Allen aka Wild Bill ( My friends and I call him Buffalo Bill ), trys to use scare tactics on my friends! Just because there kids! My best friends brother got a 23in rainbow and he ( 14yrs old) wanted it mounted and Mr.allen and friends began to yell at them. the first and only time i was up there i was fishing next a friend of his and i got a 17in rainbow that wouldn't stop bleeding, so i but it on my stringer. He go ape sh*t! why release a fish if its going to die? :crap: the people that but the fish in still think they own them, but the don't. They even but up fake sign on the trees. there are a bunch of dirt bag! i 'll keep any fish that i want and they cant do anything about it! 
Whoa,my post got moved, it seems really weird cause its out of syne, sorry. At least you got see the sensleless BS that's going on with that creek, I figure if it returned to that wild trout stream it is, it would be absolutely awesome, and his 8 pound quality rainbows can eat sh!t. Extirmination squads are formin as I speak, I'm returning this creek to its former glory, you guys can thank me later. Joking, joking, but seriously, his ranting, harassment and destruction of this creek has gone on for too long and if the fish commission don't give a dam, then I will.
paflyfisher, you get the idea, can'tbelieve you aint dunked him yet, your still young, you can get away with it.
Dr. JM
paflyfisher, you get the idea, can'tbelieve you aint dunked him yet, your still young, you can get away with it.
Dr. JM
dcabarle
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Moved? If you posted something, it should still be here. We don't typically remove posts from this site. More or less, you're free to say what you want as long as you're not being malicious or trolling.
Paflyfisher29
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Pete
Trout Hunter
OT: Re Post order
For instance in... http://www.njflyfishing.com/vBulletin/f152-fly-tying-forum/t14250-warm-water-flies.html
After I answered a post by "streamcaddis", it appeared that I answered before he asked. I thought it might be a time zone thing that didn't apply to the main NEFF forums.
I've notices a few strange things with the order of posts myself, but always in one of the "global" forums.
For instance in... http://www.njflyfishing.com/vBulletin/f152-fly-tying-forum/t14250-warm-water-flies.html
After I answered a post by "streamcaddis", it appeared that I answered before he asked. I thought it might be a time zone thing that didn't apply to the main NEFF forums.
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Just finished a River Runs Through it!
Paflyfisher29
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i would like to say sorry for talk about Mr. Allen, he's a great guy. i was doing off what my friends were saying. ( which now they take back to ) he love fly fishing like everyone here! you just got to get to know him. i can see where he is coming from about people keeping fish and snagging. i would be pissed to.
What section holds these big fish? I went to Muhlenberg College (graduated 3 years ago) and never heard about it. Where in relation to the college is the stream? Does it run through that park and the rose gardens? Or is it near Dorney? You can PM if you'd like, thanks!
Wow after all the Talk now you feel something for the Guy?Now so what is your Outlook on Mr Allen's Attitude towards Miserjoe,his Friends and all the rest of the "I dont Care I just want Meat Guy"?
trico mike
make mine wild
as a person who loves to fish the class a waters in allentown and bethlehem i could not agree more with fisherman wanting to stop the stocking of cedar creek but i will pose a question that may ruffle a few feathers. Should not something be done on the heritage stretch of the little lehigh to keep all of those hatchery escapees out of the river thus allowing the native fish to flourish?
kindanewbie77
the sad old dog with no friends
how true indeed
Wow, thread came back to life, nice....
PaFlyFisher, as long as you live by his dictatorship, he is a great guy. Me and him would sit and shoot bull for 2+hours on the banks of the creek, he'd let me into all his ideas, tell me about all the poachers he's busted, and i would keep telling him he should stop this ramapnt stocking, nice and calmly. We got along fine until I decided, well, he's stocking a public creek and i can keep my 5 trout and should not be afraid to do so, and every one of those pigs harvested will help out somehow. For years, I kept my limit of fish, constantly hiding them from him in my backpack, down my waders, all to keep him humored, when I decided to come forward and show off my limit, he got irate, yelled at me and my family which just wasn't cool, and he has kept at it. Then, with him being so irate fishing the canal which is public, that was it, I want my wild browns back and I am giving them a chance ever so slowly. Someone has to fight for them, why not me. And for someone to harass you like he did for doing nothing wrong and especially I aint the first, well....you get the picture.
OB, this infamous stretch of water is right downstream of Dorney Dam, right downstream of haines mill road. The big concentration of fish is within the canal that is right there or within the first, oh, 200 yards of creek downstream of haines Mill Rd. but there are always a few strays that make it as far down as Cedar Crest, even Ott Street. Heck, I've even caught them in Muhlenberg, but there they are really stretched out. Your best shot at a 10 pound fish is right there below Haines Mill or in the canal, go get em.
Dr. JM
PaFlyFisher, as long as you live by his dictatorship, he is a great guy. Me and him would sit and shoot bull for 2+hours on the banks of the creek, he'd let me into all his ideas, tell me about all the poachers he's busted, and i would keep telling him he should stop this ramapnt stocking, nice and calmly. We got along fine until I decided, well, he's stocking a public creek and i can keep my 5 trout and should not be afraid to do so, and every one of those pigs harvested will help out somehow. For years, I kept my limit of fish, constantly hiding them from him in my backpack, down my waders, all to keep him humored, when I decided to come forward and show off my limit, he got irate, yelled at me and my family which just wasn't cool, and he has kept at it. Then, with him being so irate fishing the canal which is public, that was it, I want my wild browns back and I am giving them a chance ever so slowly. Someone has to fight for them, why not me. And for someone to harass you like he did for doing nothing wrong and especially I aint the first, well....you get the picture.
OB, this infamous stretch of water is right downstream of Dorney Dam, right downstream of haines mill road. The big concentration of fish is within the canal that is right there or within the first, oh, 200 yards of creek downstream of haines Mill Rd. but there are always a few strays that make it as far down as Cedar Crest, even Ott Street. Heck, I've even caught them in Muhlenberg, but there they are really stretched out. Your best shot at a 10 pound fish is right there below Haines Mill or in the canal, go get em.
Dr. JM
Trice, yeah, the little lehigh needs someone to fight for it, but alas, there your dealing with state politics, the hatchery, the regs. That fight is way beyond my comprehension.
Pa Fly Fisher, Mr Allen is really a cool guy, as long as you live under his dictatorship and show him you are a C&R Fly fisherman, he wants you as a freind, ally, and eventually part of his minion. Me and him were freinds for over 2 years, we'd sit and shoot the bull for 2 hours some nights watching his trout devour pellets. I kept telling him he really should stop and we were all cool until he got irate and yelled at me and my family for keeping our limits. Then he has his minions who now targets us out and harasses us to the breaking point, even today. I aint letting him get the best of me, I still catch and keep my limit of his mutants and use them as fertilizer, I haven't broken a single law and his harrasment can't be legal.
If the man just left the creek alone in every way, shape and form, it would be a wild brown stream and would be a dream come true for so many of us. But, some people like 10 pounds of swimming liver, more power to you.
Ober, this stretch of stream is just downstream from Dorney park Dam, starting at haines Mill Road and the whole concentraion of fish is packed within 2 pools running for 100-200 yards downstreams of haines Mill Road. Got get em.
Dr. JM
Pa Fly Fisher, Mr Allen is really a cool guy, as long as you live under his dictatorship and show him you are a C&R Fly fisherman, he wants you as a freind, ally, and eventually part of his minion. Me and him were freinds for over 2 years, we'd sit and shoot the bull for 2 hours some nights watching his trout devour pellets. I kept telling him he really should stop and we were all cool until he got irate and yelled at me and my family for keeping our limits. Then he has his minions who now targets us out and harasses us to the breaking point, even today. I aint letting him get the best of me, I still catch and keep my limit of his mutants and use them as fertilizer, I haven't broken a single law and his harrasment can't be legal.
If the man just left the creek alone in every way, shape and form, it would be a wild brown stream and would be a dream come true for so many of us. But, some people like 10 pounds of swimming liver, more power to you.
Ober, this stretch of stream is just downstream from Dorney park Dam, starting at haines Mill Road and the whole concentraion of fish is packed within 2 pools running for 100-200 yards downstreams of haines Mill Road. Got get em.
Dr. JM
