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Who or What ruined your favorite fishing hole due to overcrowding.

I think anyone who runes a fishing spot by a dam should be drawn and quarted.

This is America !!

Long live the damn DAMS !!!!

I was just kidding. As soon as I'm done with the Home Rivers Initiative, I plan to put them all back:dizzy:

Kronk, no offense, but you are way off base on the dam issue. The Paulinskill remains a seasonal trout fishery in large part because of dams. If you like catching stocked trout in 78 degree water, then fish the plunge pools below the dams. If you want to restore the rivers, cool them down, allow the silt to migrate downstream, and restore wild fish then I suggest removing all those dams...but what do I know about the topic?:)
 
The next spot to be ruined is the Flat Brook Fly Fishing area being turned into a YRTCA instead of making it on different section of the river.The powers to be have their mind made up and no matter how good another plan sounds they will not adopt it.Its a childish game of its my ball my rules. I better stop as i could go on and on... good thing I am fishing Pennsylvania tomorrow and Friday......Kronk:beingsick:

Do you just hate conservation? I'm fairly well connected at NJ F&W. I bet I can get you some time directly in the hatchery raceways to fish to your heart's content. What the hell, they'll make more...

BTW - the "powers that be" are one person (NJPatbee). He'll be happy I'm sure to know that he is all powerful. So let me guess, you did not like any of Pat's suggestions and therefor his and anyone else's suggestions for the Flatbrook are bad for the resource?:down:
 
To Rusty Spinner: I find your response unprofessional and childish,but it just about what I expected. I didn't mention powerfull but I had one of the most powerfull jobs which i held for 38 years,recently retired but if I gave a response like you did I WOULD BE EMBARRASSED,Currently only 4 miles of fly fishing only in new jersey and you want to take one and a half miles away. No I do not need your invitation of fish in the Hatchery but I nototiced that is where you will be fishing opening Day Post some hero shots. YOU DO NOT IMPRESS ME AT ALL....KRONK:beingsick:
 
To Rusty Spinner: I find your response unprofessional and childish,but it just about what I expected. I didn't mention powerfull but I had one of the most powerfull jobs which i held for 38 years,recently retired but if I gave a response like you did I WOULD BE EMBARRASSED,Currently only 4 miles of fly fishing only in new jersey and you want to take one and a half miles away. No I do not need your invitation of fish in the Hatchery but I nototiced that is where you will be fishing opening Day Post some hero shots. YOU DO NOT IMPRESS ME AT ALL....KRONK:beingsick:

Kronk,
You said "the powers that be". The word POWER was right there. BTW, I'm not on this board to impress you. You demonstrated your ignorance with your comments. You very well may be the only person on this site who believes that a run of the river dam (not to be confused with a tailwater dam) is good for trout. Nobody has said that the FF only stretch on the Flatbrook will be eliminated, nobody. Maybe you're upset that if FF only were to be eliminated you wouldn't be able to use worms with your fly rod in that stretch?

You also have reading problems. I said that I was taking my DAUGHTER fishing at the hatchery. My rods will be home awaiting the end of the opening day crowds. No hero shots for me, I have yet to post a single picture of a fish I have caught on any website. I am all about wild fish. I work so that I can bring back wild fish. You are all about catching stocked trout from the artificial plunge pool behind a dam. I have lots of maps of dams in NJ and I'd be happy to send you all their locations. Opening Day is right around the corner...
 
YOUR INSULTS ONLY SHOW YOUR IGNORENCE:fart:

OK Kronk, I'll bite. Explain why I am ignorant? Based on your spelling, you'll have to look that word up carefully before you reply:). And once you learn its meaning, you'll be forced to explain why the dam's removal was bad for trout fishing in a way that convinces others reading this thread, assuming they haven't run to the hills laughing, why you are correct and I am wrong. Simply stating that you held an important job for 38 years will not suffice.

BTW - I have not insulted you, merely pointed out the flaws in your arguments.
 
I never argued that the dam removal was bad for the trout fishery.I only stated that a senic special spot was taken away but cannot erase the memories that I had there as a child.The YRTCA at the flat brook the other issue in question could be put in effect in another section of the Flat Brook that is under utilized. Those were my original statements. These are my thoughts like them or dislike them,I really do not CARE....The insults are uncalled for and childish.........Kronk
 
OK, you seem more reasonable this morning. Let me address your comments on the dam's concrete being bulldozed into the plunge pool behind the dam. That was done to prevent a "nick" or "headcut" from tearing upstream and redirecting the river's channel in unpredictable and often disastrous fashion, putting at risk properties and sometimes even lives in both the up and downstream flood plains. Sounds like the dam removers did not consider the need to restore the river channel above the former dam, hence your comment about it remaining a muck pit to this day.

As for the Flatbrook TCA proposals, they are the proposals of one person who cares deeply about that river. You or anyone on this board (or not on the board) are free to do the exact same thing for this river or any other. You are also free to speak your mind agains these or any other proposals. This is still America (but maybe not for long the way we're headed). If NJPatbee gets some traction on one of his proposals and it is presented formally to NJ F&W, you and all others will have your say in a public meeting or by writing a letter or sending an email. I for one am thrilled just to see someone with the passion to conserve and protect our coldwater resources, so I applaud Pat for his efforts. NJ needs more champions like Pat, regardless of whether you agree with the section of the BFB he is proposing. Just remember that the leadership of TU was hammered publicly for pushing to have the KLG put into a YRTCA. Now that piece of water is our most loved in the state, hands down. And if we don't move to protect it and to add additional TCAs, it will be loved to death, a problem already ocurring.
 
This is still America

Thats right no communists allowed.

RS, I would volunteer except for two little things that I would have concerns about.

#1 You don't get paid
#2 I am not sure I would get enough publicity for anything I did.
#3 I'd need a high falootin title, so it would look good in the newspaper
#4 I'd want my own bull dozer to demolish dams
#6 Free lunch
#7 A loyal stuff to cheer me on
#8 Not to get dirty
#5 When all said in done to have KLG renamed after me
#9 Be on TU TV four times a year
#10 You pay for my TU membership
#11 Thats all for now.

If these couple of demands could be met, I'd consider it.
 
Thats right no communists allowed.

RS, I would volunteer except for two little things that I would have concerns about.

#1 You don't get paid
#2 I am not sure I would get enough publicity for anything I did.
#3 I'd need a high falootin title, so it would look good in the newspaper
#4 I'd want my own bull dozer to demolish dams
#6 Free lunch
#7 A loyal stuff to cheer me on
#8 Not to get dirty
#5 When all said in done to have KLG renamed after me
#9 Be on TU TV four times a year
#10 You pay for my TU membership
#11 Thats all for now.

If these couple of demands could be met, I'd consider it.

I have referred your demands to my crack negotiating committee. Expect a counter-offer in the coming days. I only hope you are a reasonable person :)

TU could use a man like you...
 
Drew,

It isn't right that you don't have a favorite secret spot!!!

I have many and am willing to give one to you.

Let me know when we can hook up,
Sharedog

Thank you for the offer. I might to take you up on that, this summer.
 
My favorite spot that was ruined was the Groaning Dyke dam area of the Mucky. Before TU came along and knocked it up....I mean down....that pool behind the dam was awesome water. Stagnant, silty, and warm in the summer. Perfecto for setting up a duck tape repaired lawn chair, a forked stick, and laying back after casting a 1/2 ounce bank sinker in with a #6 Eagle Claw baitholder hook fancied up with a big, fat, juicy night walker. I would just sit back in a sleeveless t-shirt and a Speedo, with my trucking hat over my eyes, sipping Miller Lite, smoking Camels, and let the sun burn the skin over my girly tatoos. Every so often my rod would buck like a banshee and I would soon be into another 6 inch sunny for tossing into the spackle bucket with the ice and beer. My sister/girlfriend would just hoot and hollar and get all worked up and excited because we was going to have fresh fish with pork rinds and beans for dinner that night.

Thems was the days.......now my girl left me for some city slicker that fishes the Hackensuck river for carp......thanks TU. :finger:

Mel
 
Thats right no communists allowed.

#1 You don't get paid
#2 I am not sure I would get enough publicity for anything I did.
#3 I'd need a high falootin title, so it would look good in the newspaper
#4 I'd want my own bull dozer to demolish dams
#6 Free lunch
#7 A loyal stuff to cheer me on
#8 Not to get dirty
#5 When all said in done to have KLG renamed after me
#9 Be on TU TV four times a year
#10 You pay for my TU membership
#11 Thats all for now.

If these couple of demands could be met, I'd consider it.

I volunteer to address some of these.
We sold a boat load of Pizza on Saturday, I suppose we can spare $10. (#1 check)
Not sure it's possible to give you "enough", but I'll say nice things about you every week. (#2 check)
AkSkim the Supreme High Master of Disaster. (#3 check)
There ain't no free lunch (#6 check)
Lets donate the Stuffed Bugs Bunny from Gruendyke, he'll be loyal and he's Stuffed. (#7 Check)
It's later already ( #11 Check)

Your number skills indicate a skewed sense of count, perhaps you would be better off as Treasurer in the Obama administration.
 
Too many births not enough deaths. Back in the day, you drank like a fish, smoked like a fool, had bacon with every meal and put butter in your coffee; if you did not die of a hart attack in your early 50's. you got killed in a good old school war.... Now we live well into our 80's, jamming up all the good spots, that we used to say my dad showed me this spot, God rest him,now hes is there with 5 of his buddys......... Take me back to 1950........................LOL:give-the-finger:
 
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I used to have a spot completely secluded by shoulder high brush and thick stands of trees in Union County! Thornbushes guarded almost a hundred yards of frontage from the faint of heart. One day the brush was cleared, the trees were cut and there were condo balconies snagging my backcast. Development is truly the killer of secret spots in this state (and others) followed closely by trash-talking hotspotters and pet owners with no leashes. I can't tell you how many times I've been alone in a great pool, well off the beaten path, only to have a lab cannonball it. :smokelots:
 
As much as I love this site and most of its members, there's always going to be some clowns that come along dishing out info on smaller wild streams, and that's always going to piss me off.
 
As much as I love this site and most of its members, there's always going to be some clowns that come along dishing out info on smaller wild streams, and that's always going to piss me off.


BB, Have you ever fished Cedar Grove Brook? It's right in your back yard and is loaded with big wild rainbows. Fished it the other evening after I did a job in North Caldwell and hammered those monster bows on a Peeking Caddis Dry Fly. If you park in the town's community park, and fish just downstream from the old mill foundation there's a hole there where their packed in like sardenes. You should give it a try. But, please don't tell anybody else about that spot.

Cdog
 
BB, Have you ever fished Cedar Grove Brook? It's right in your back yard and is loaded with big wild rainbows. Fished it the other evening after I did a job in North Caldwell and hammered those monster bows on a Peeking Caddis Dry Fly. If you park in the town's community park, and fish just downstream from the old mill foundation there's a hole there where their packed in like sardenes. You should give it a try. But, please don't tell anybody else about that spot.

Cdog
Haven't tried it yet.. I've been to busy throwing cans in the Flatbrook. Gosh, I hate that place.
 
BB, Have you ever fished Cedar Grove Brook? It's right in your back yard and is loaded with big wild rainbows. Fished it the other evening after I did a job in North Caldwell and hammered those monster bows on a Peeking Caddis Dry Fly. If you park in the town's community park, and fish just downstream from the old mill foundation there's a hole there where their packed in like sardenes. You should give it a try. But, please don't tell anybody else about that spot.

Cdog

TattletailDog:

Can you slow down on passing along that information, I am not that fast with my note taking.
 
The Shehawken access. Back in the early 90's you had to ask permission from the farmer across the street or at least buy some of his produce to get in there. That riffle was loaded with trout. I had some of my best days fishing there with my brother in-law to sulphurs. The year after they created the access guys were fishing with lawn chairs in the riffle with minnows and stringers. It took a few years for it to decline. I haven't seen a suphur that far down on the West Branch in a long time either.
 
... and hammered those monster bows on a Peeking Caddis Dry Fly. Cdog

Cdog....I have used Peeking Caddis patterns subsurface before. As I understand them, they mimic a cased caddis. What is a Peeking Caddis dry fly?

Thanks,
QT
 
My favorite fishing hole hasn't been ruined yet, and no I'm not going to tell where it is.
Sounds like I should be glad I moved from Jersey when I did. I had some wonderful days fishing there though.
I still remember my first day fly fishing. It was on the Rahway River in Cranford. I used a Scarlet Ibis wet that I had tied myself. In about three hours I caught six trout, I don't remember what kind. It was in April of 1953 when I was a freshman in high school.
 
A family of Beavers hijacked and subsequently plugged up the flow in my former favorite spot..that's the worst type of "overcrowding" in my book
 
IMO too many personal watercraft banging their way down the Delaware River has forever affected the fishing. At one time, you could fish a stretch of river from sun up to sun down and perhaps see (or hear) three to five drift boats/watercraft pass by during the entire day. In the late nineties, the number exploded to the point where a Saturday between Buckingham and Stockport might play host to thirty plus watercraft. Etiquette between waders and watercraft operators decreased as anyone with two nickels to rub together started to float often with limited navigational skills. The banging of oars and paddles, sending out both by water and air, a steady stream of sound that echoed off the mountains, rippled across the pools and kept the fish down for longer periods of time.
While I do not begrudge the outfitters, the guides or the individuals with watercraft, the lack of basic operator skills creates problems. My fishing partner was hooked once while wading by a passing sport in a drift boat. Upon feeling the hook of a bugger bite into him, he instinctively grabbed the line and yanked. The sport tumbled from his perch. Thankfully, the damage to each was minimal but it could have easily led to serious injury to either party.
At the same time, the aluminum hatch grew to include a growing number of people at the paddles that appeared to be lucky to simultaneously walk and chew gum let alone steer a canoe. If the rear paddler cannot figure out how to steer after the first mile by using the paddle as a rudder, they probably should not be out in a canoe.
In summing up my rant, too many watercraft populated by too many people of which a good number appear to have difficulty navigating and steering have most affected my fishing (at least when there is enough water at low enough temps to fish).<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>
 
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