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Two questions - BK Covered Bridge pool and Mill Brook

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lefty

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I found myself at the CB pool by accident on Sunday and watched a few guys fishing. Walked slightly upstream past the ranger station to the riffle and slight spillover just below the split in the river.

There are orange PFS signs on the same trees as no trespassing signs. What does that mean? You can stay in stream but not walk the bank? Where does the private/club water begin?

Drove along the very pretty Mill Brook which is owned by the Tuscarora Club. Has anyone had a chance to fish this as a club member or with a club member? Looks like a nice mountain stream and they seem to keep it well maintained.
 
lefty said:
My third question would have brought them out - why is Roscoe such a dump?
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Roscoe had a hip feel to it when Buffalo Zach's was in its heyday.

The diner has always been there, but it never has brought money into town. People stop at the diner and go to the gas station without ever setting foot on Stewart Avenue.

Zach's got foot traffic in town.

After Zach's closed, there has been a shuffling of delis and little food joints that makes me think everyone is going out of business.

Beaverkill Angler has positive energy and seems to be the brightest spot in town.
 
Thanks. I've been spending time on the other side of the mountain in Phonecia, Andes and Margaretville and the difference between those towns and Roscoe and LM is striking. Not up on my Catskills history, but is it due to the Borscht Belt failing and throwing the 17 corridor into depression?

FIN-ITE, I'm familiar with the maps, thanks. I was curious about the contradictory signs. It seems that within the green on Map 5 you're good, but that barely covers the pool. The PRS signs are upstream of the pool. There's a small section on the right bank above the long thin island, but how do you access it? Google earth shows that it is on private property.
 
Basically the whole Beaverkill above Rte 206 is private club water except the state campground and a little portion of the very end in state forest land. In some state forest land the clubs have the fishing rights. IMHO, these clubs have been enforcing their waters for more than 100 years and it's not worth trying to find a little bit of private water.

Mill Creek is a good one - it too has been a club for a century or more. If you get an invite, fish there.

The state of the Catskills is a long, long argument. I will claim it has been poor forever due to a lack of basic jobs. My relatives in Greene Co worked in the boarding houses for a couple of months in the summer back in the day (along with running a farm and a whiole lot of other side jobs), but cooking and cleaning for people in low level resorts never sounded like a great job to me. People with money go to nicer places these days. Plus, the ethnic segregation of old isn't what it once was, except maybe for the Orthodox Jewish areas. East Durham was where the Irish went; Purling/Round Top is where the Germans went; Cairo is where the Italians went, etc, etc. We aren't as ghettoized these days. Andes etc seem to have gotten some NYC retiree, summer home money which brings nicer shops and restaurants as well. That is controversial among the old Catskillers as well. A redneck neighbor of my uncles expressed glee that the Orthodox were buying up the abandoned boarding house down the road. When my uncle asked why, the neighbor said the Orthodox are the best yuppie repellent going. As with any area upgrade, many of the poor locals see it another way.
 
Thanks. I don't want to trespass, just wanted clarification of the where the private water began above the campground. The signs don't help.

Other than a "get out of the water" what authority do clubs have?

I believe "Hickster" is the new "Yuppie". Certainly more visible on the Andes/Phoenicia side. I guess that's the price you pay for wanting a decent cup of coffee instead of the swill served in the Roscoe Diner.

Mill Creek is beautiful. I don't know much of the area but I haven't seen a stream like it.

On another note, I'm assuming you can't wade the reservoirs, but can you shore fish them with the pass?
 
lefty said:
I believe "Hickster" is the new "Yuppie". Certainly more visible on the Andes/Phoenicia side. I guess that's the price you pay for wanting a decent cup of coffee instead of the swill served in the Roscoe Diner.
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Haha "Hickster"

I believe the word you are looking for is Hipster.
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Also, the town of Roscoe is installing new public transportation. They are planting trees closer together.
 
Does appear to be conflicting or at least confusing. I would send the picture to the DEC along with the exact location to get a clarification on what is going on there. It wouldn't be the first time that a property owner tried to sway the public away from an agreement made with the state for access by using one of their standard posters of no trespassing for any reason.
 
Do you prefer Tampax Easy-Glide or regular went Aunt Flow comes to town?

Dunkin Donuts is for women who wear pink panties.

Each weekend went you make the trip to the WB, do you sit in the back of a baby-blue GEO with Elton John singing Benny and the Jets?

I don't even think AIDS are as gay.


sunsignarcher said:
theres no Dunkin Donuts...ridiculous.

How can you have town and no Dunkin Donuts...who lives like that??
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FIN-ITE 34 said:
Does appear to be conflicting or at least confusing. I would send the picture to the DEC along with the exact location to get a clarification on what is going on there. It wouldn't be the first time that a property owner tried to sway the public away from an agreement made with the state for access by using one of their standard posters of no trespassing for any reason.
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That's actually from the Ausable, but same idea. I'll give the Tuscarora Club credit for clearly delineating the start of their property with handy lines across the river.

I doubt I'd fish there again, but was curious as to whether I was trespassing on the riffle.
 
Quick Chek is the best, but Dunkin and Tim Horton's will due, especially if one needs a sugar and lard rush along with the caffeine.

There is about 200 yds of right bank PFR shown on the PFR map up from the state campground, but I'm not sure how to access that. Wading up from the campground puts you on club land. It is a little different from Mountain Pool where the PFR goes to the parking area so you can walk on PFR all the way in. Not sure what to do about landlocked PFRs.
 
I am far from picky with my coffee - as long as its hot, straight and black (settin this one up Simms, spike er home) I'll happily drink it. However, the only coffee I'll drive out of my way for is Wawa. Outfuckingstanding 100% Colombian coffee.
 
I hate to beat this to death, but it is a little crazy when you look at that map. Could there be a walking easement that's not shown?

Never having trespassed on club land (to my knowledge) what happens when they catch you? Swarming security guards? Hounds released? Shots across your bow? Politely pointing out your error and escorting you off? Do they actually have any authority other than calling the cops?

Another question got lost - can you wade the reservoirs along the edge or is that discouraged?
 
lefty said:
Never having trespassed on club land (to my knowledge) what happens when they catch you? Swarming security guards? Hounds released? Shots across your bow? Politely pointing out your error and escorting you off? Do they actually have any authority other than calling the cops?
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Most states have strong trespassing laws. The club itself can't arrest you, but many call the local cops to do so. I know one club here in NJ on West Brook that prosecutes every single trespasser and they use motion detecting cameras set out to catch trespassers. The property manager gets a text to his cell phone anytime one goes off and he looks at the screen to determine if it's a club member or trespasser or deer/bear/etc. Now that is tough! Other clubs will probably just tell you to leave, but any posted property here in NJ you trespass on can get you a Defiant Trespass charge which won't be very fun in court. It can also risk your right to hunt or fish although I forget if that is first or second offense. Other states vary. But WTF with those signs?
 
My guess is that the PFS takes precedence as I doubt the DEC would stick them on private land. Though it could be a high water mark situation.

Reservoir wading?
 
PFRs are on private land - that is what they are for. To allow public fishing on private land. How that PFR got there is another matter. Most of the PFRs were bought during the 1930s when landowners were hard pressed for cash and would sell their fishing rights. A lot of land ownership changes could have been made over the years making that little bit inaccessible. Here is what the regs say about landlocked PFRs. "Anglers should request landowner permission when seeking river access where no public easement exists (some PFR is surrounded by private land and does not have formal access to it)." That means look at the tax map, find the landowner and ask. You may not get permission though.

For reservoirs, yes you can fish from shore. You need a free permit though. Follow this thread for more answers.
Fishing
 
Simms said:
Do you prefer Tampax Easy-Glide or regular went Aunt Flow comes to town?

Dunkin Donuts is for women who wear pink panties.

Each weekend went you make the trip to the WB, do you sit in the back of a baby-blue GEO with Elton John singing Benny and the Jets?

I don't even think AIDS are as gay.
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Did I just get called a fruit by the boards fashion director??
 
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