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Salmon River Report 2011

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All salmon season means .....

HEEeeeee'ssssssss Back.

Ethel, ETHEL !!!

it ain't safe to drift the river just yet, put them centre pins away....


Oh wait... never mind, he is still in Afghanistan or as that other guy would say AFFFF-gan-I-STAND.

Get the CP out we is a goin a fishing
 
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A big pod of ho's just entered the river!!!! PACK YOUR SHIT! ITS GOON SEASON BOYS!!!!!!
 
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I have a new Sage I have to break in...or break...which ever occurs first. Haha.

Send it to me. I will go through the painful break in period with it, so when you return you will not have to. Just tryin to help
 
Wild Salmon in the Salmon River Update....full report here

Sport fishing in Oswego County and Lake Ontario provides a multimillion dollar
economic impact to the local communities along the shoreline. In the summers of
2009 and 2010 naturally reproduced young-of-the-year Atlantic salmon were found in
the Salmon River during research sampling by the United States Geological Survey
and NYSDEC. Natural reproduction of Atlantic salmon had not been documented in
the river since the late 1800s.
Atlantic salmon have been stocked at low levels in the Salmon River since 1996 to
provide a presence of this native species, to provide trophy angling opportunities, and
to continue researching the potential of future restoration. It was believed that Atlantic
salmon in Lake Ontario feeding on a diet of alewives (Alosa pseudoharengus) (a nonnative
forage species which has high concentrations of the enzyme Thiaminase,
resulting in a thiamine [Vitamin B1] deficiency) would cause reproductive failure and
limit the success of restoring the salmon. Recent changes in Lake Ontario’s forage
base, including a significant decrease in alewives, may be creating a more diverse
food source for Atlantic salmon thus increasing their ability to reproduce successfully.
A marked increase of Atlantic salmon catches in Lake Ontario the past two years may
be an indication that Lake Ontario may once again be able to support a viable
naturally reproducing population of this popular sport fish.
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From part of the financial settlement with Occidental Chemical, NYSDEC purchased a
mass-marking trailer. This has allowed the fin clipping of all Chinook salmon stocked
in Lake Ontario since the spring of 2008. The technology allows, for the first time, all
1.8 million Chinook salmon to be fin clipped to distinguish between hatchery produced
and naturally reproduced fish. The Salmon River is known to have reproduction
levels of Chinook salmon in the millions on an annual basis. Until now there was no
way to know the actual survival rate of these fish and their contribution to the fishery.
With the marking of all hatchery fish this question can now be addressed.
Early indications from sampling in the lake show naturally-reproduced Chinook
salmon accounted for approximately 31% of the fish caught by anglers.
Approximately 57% of adult Chinook salmon returning to the main stem of the Salmon
River were unclipped, naturally-reproduced fish, while returns to the Salmon River
Hatchery, as expected, were predominately hatchery produced fin-clipped fish.
The Salmon River Tributary Creel Survey, conducted September through November
2010, showed that 705,000 angler hours (113,000 angler trips) were spent fishing on
the Salmon River. This is an increase from the 634,000 angler hours recorded during
the 9 month September through May 2006/2007survey. The 2010 three month river
survey was 76% of the total fishing effort expended on all Lake Ontario tributaries
surveyed during 2006/2007. It also equaled 78% of the total Lake Ontario boat
fishery effort and, if the survey had been carried out for the remainder of the year,
more than likely would have surpassed the boat fishery.
Trends in fishing nationwide have shown declining participation. The Salmon River
Survey results go against this trend and actually equal the fisheries’ peak participation
in the late 1980s. Catches in the lake boat fishery and the tributary fishery for salmon
and trout have remained at a very high level for species such as steelhead and
Chinook salmon. Steelhead catches in 2010 were at record levels in the boat fishery.
Data on Lake Ontario Fisheries can be found in the NYSDEC 2011 Annual Report of
the Bureau of Fisheries Lake Ontario Unit to the Great Lakes Fishery Commission
Lake Ontario Committee.
 
Salmon River Report it all depends on where you are standing and who is telling you.

Take the DSR today, one states it was very slow, another will say the run is on.

Water temperature in the mid 60's.

Sun rise @ 0645 set @ 1911

The dam release is at 335 cfs.

Height of the river at Pineville is 5.80 ft.

Currently flowing at 402 cfs.

September 17th 8:10am- The Cohos are here again this morning!! Jason said it's “stupid“ with fish!
Get out of bed and come fish with us today!

Whitaker's Report from 9-17

Saturday we had colder weather with clouds in the morning and sunshine in the afternoon with the temperature in the 50's. Anglers staying in the motel and stopping into the shop reported having a great day at the DSR. Anglers in the lower end of the DSR reported a steady run of cohos along with some kings that lasted the entire day. Anglers staying in the motel described it as an amazing day, it was one of those days everybody wishes for. Don't feel bad if you missed out because you weren't here, I live here and couldn't go, but it was great hearing from anglers as they came off the water. The good news is that we have a fresh run of cohos on the way upstream and more fish in the estuary. We didn't get any reports from the Fly Zones, but anglers reported fish holding in the deeper holes such as Black Hole, Town Pool, Sportsman Pool and Trestle Pool.
SUGGESTED PATTERNS:
  • Estaz eggs in pink, purple, chart, orange and blue, size 4.
  • Comets in pink, purple, chart, black, white and blue, size 2.
  • Egg sucking leeches in black or purple, size 2-6.
  • Woolly buggers in black, brown, olive and white, size 2-6.
  • Glo-bugs in pink, chart, orange, blue and oregon cheese, size 4-8.
  • Salmon Special in pink, purple and orange, size 4.
  • Bunny leeches in black, olive and tan, size 2-6.
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TONIGHT
Partly cloudy early...then clear. Patchy frost developing late well inland. Lows ranging from the upper 30s toward the tug hill to near 50 near lake ontario. East winds 10 to 15 mph.
SUNDAY
Sunny. Highs in the mid 60s. East winds 10 mph or less... Becoming southeast 10 to 15 mph.
SUNDAY NIGHT
Clear. Lows in the mid 40s. East winds 10 mph or less...becoming southeast.
MONDAY
Sunny. Highs around 70. Southeast winds 10 to 15 mph... Becoming south.
MONDAY NIGHT
Showers likely with a chance of thunderstorms. Warmer with lows in the mid 50s. South winds 10 to 20 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent.
TUESDAY
Partly sunny with a 30 percent chance of showers. Highs in the upper 60s.
TUESDAY NIGHT
Partly cloudy. Lows in the mid 50s.

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Is anyone going to go fishing and post some reports and porn? Sheesh...what's a guy gotta do to get a mud shark picture from this year?!?!?
 
I was up there on Friday, the day before the big run, which is about right if you've ever fished with me. There was a small run of Cohos in the DSR on Friday, but they shot in the river, and for the most part, once they hit the Spring Hole, they went back down to the estuary. I was down at the lowest end of the DSR when they were leaving, it was a site to see. I did have a handful of fish on the line and was able to land one nice fresh female coho that weighed about 8 lbs. No pictures of her. I also caught this amazing female brown. Comparing her to my rod, she was about 28"-30" and weighed well over 10lbs. She was fully recovered when I released her back. Let's hope she stays down in the DSR.

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The weekend fishing was just a flash in the pan so to speak.

Good run of Coho by all accounts on Saturday, and yesterday the fishing was very slow with the most action coming in the deeper pools, and where the most fisherman were.

Dam still releasing 335 cfs

Pineville gage reading 5.79 ft

Flow of 392 cfs

DSR REPORT for September 19th 10:07am-
A nice push of fish is traveling through the run...Kings, Cohos and Browns are all here. Great day to come wet your line and enjoy the sunshine.


SALMON RIVER GUIDE Report from September 18, 2011

Salmon fishing on Lake Ontario has gone down hill fast. Lots of wind pushed the kings and cohos in close to shore and moved a big bunch up the Salmon River. Up until Saturday we were doing quite well trolling deeper water for cohos. The wind came and the shallow water paid off big time for kings just for a few days. The Salmon River estuary and lower river are seeing good numbers of salmon. I would say there's more to come out of the lake but conditions are tough and the bite is SLOW! It's amazing how fast it changes. Our drift boat guides fishing at night around the river mouth are doing well but by day the fish just don't want to cooperate. This is the transition time of year for the fish and us charter captains will now become drift boat guides and chase the fish where they go- up river!
Salmon River Guide
Jaclyn & Shane Thomas
 
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Slow in the dsr, yes...town to 81the was a blood bath :)

Dennis will you be up this weekend? I would like to stop by if you r..pm me directions to the lodge..im sure its a maze in their this time of year lol
 
Slow in the dsr, yes...town to 81the was a blood bath :)

Dennis will you be up this weekend? I would like to stop by if you r..pm me directions to the lodge..im sure its a maze in their this time of year lol

It's easy to find. Turn in to Stoney's and look for the Jersey plates.
 
It's easy to find. Turn in to Stoney's and look for the ROOF.

There you have it right... just look for the one trailer with a roof and huge porch, thats mine.

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Right now my schedule is all up in the air, I am hoping to.... we'll see.
 
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I can confirm the reports. I was in the DSR sat and for 4 plus hours had a steady push of fish. Was in staircase sun and had a decent day there as well.
 
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Dam continues their release of water @ 335 cfs

Weather report for the rest of today

Becoming mostly sunny. Highs in the upper 60s. Southwest winds 10 mph or less...becoming west.
TONIGHT
Mainly clear. Lows in the mid 50s. West winds 10 mph or less...becoming southeast.
WEDNESDAY
Some patchy fog in the morning...otherwise mostly sunny. Highs in the mid 70s. Southeast winds 10 mph or less... Becoming south.
WEDNESDAY NIGHT
Mostly cloudy. Showers becoming likely overnight. Warm with lows around 60. Southeast winds 10 to 20 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent.
THURSDAY
Showers likely. Highs in the upper 60s. South winds 10 to 20 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent.
THURSDAY NIGHT
Mostly cloudy with a 50 percent chance of showers. Lows in the mid 50s.

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Thursday
22 SEP 2011
Friday
23 SEP 2011
Saturday
24 SEP 2011
Sunday
25 SEP 2011
Monday
26 SEP 2011
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High 72°
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Whitaker's Fly Shop Report for Tuesday, September 20, 2011


Monday started out cold but with blue skies and plenty of sunshine the temperature reached into the 60's. The anglers we spoke with who fished the DSR reported getting into cohos and kings. The mid to lower end of the DSR seemed to produce the most action. Kevin and I fished for a few hours in the afternoon, I didn't get anything, but I saw several fish get landed, as well as small pods of kings and cohos on the move. Kevin stayed the remainder of the afternoon and landed a mix of kings and cohos under light fishing pressure. Anglers staying in the motel and stopping into the shop reported getting into cohos and kings in the Staircase, Town Pool, Ballpark and Compactor. We didn't get any reportes from the Fly Zones, but anglers reported fish holding in the Papermill, Sportsman Pool and Trestle Pool.

DSR Reptember 20th 10:00am-

The fish continue to move through the DSR. Most fish are in the lower end, but hopefully they'll spread out as the day continues. Still a nice mix of kings, cohos and browns with a few steelies mixed in too!



 
SR Traffic Report for Tue. Sept. 20th

Rt. 78
West bound clear.
Shoulder closed at stste line.

Rt. 33 PA
Clear

Rt. 80
Clear

Rt. 380
Clear to Rt. 81

Rt. 81 - below Syracuse
Left lane closed on I-81 at Exit 7

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Expected to end: Sep 23, 2011 7:00pm

Left lane closed on I-81 between Exit 7 and Exit 6 S

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Expected to end: Sep 23, 2011 7:00pm

Roadworks. Hard shoulder closed on I-81 between Exit 30 and Exit 26

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Expected to end: Sep 23, 2011 5:00pm

Roadworks. Carriageway reduced to one lane on I-81 between Exit 31 and Onondaga

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Expected to end: Nov 3, 2011 3:00pm

Clear to Pulaski exit 36.
 
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Had a relatively slow day yesterday with a bunch of hookup and some good fights. They were digging chartreuse estaz, orange eggs and yellow-ish sucker spawns. I was able to land one big chrome steelie at the end of the day! I like week days, no one in sight but me and a bend over rod.

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I'm going to have to give a class on how to properly take fish photos.

Nice job catching some feesh!!
 
I'm going to have to give a class on how to properly take fish photos.

Nice job catching some feesh!!
Having a friend to take your pic helps instead of setting your camera on a log and hoping your in frame, haha. I also never smile....
 
Having a friend to take your pic helps instead of setting your camera on a log and hoping your in frame, haha. I also never smile....

I read the rest of the story over at the site that banned me for hurting people's feelings. Besides the camera lessons, I'll have to get you a map too.

It takes a little practice, but you can get good photos when you're solo.
 
I read the rest of the story over at the site that banned me for hurting people's feelings. Besides the camera lessons, I'll have to get you a map too.

It takes a little practice, but you can get good photos when you're solo.
I wanted to just get the fish back in the water. SC? If your referring to me fishing the UFZ I was down below paradise with the whole stretch to myself. I spend other parts of the day in the other zone too, I know there is plenty of river down below as well ive fished it more then you can count. I fish where I feel like it, and yesterday it was up river. Another day I'll fish somewhere else. There is nothing wrong fish fishing the zones or anywhere else.
 
I fish where I feel like it, and yesterday it was up river. Another day I'll fish somewhere else. There is nothing wrong fish fishing the zones or anywhere else.

Oh stop getting your waders in a bunch, I'm just giving you shit. At least you're getting to fish. If you had a flat brimmed hat on in the photo I would have given you even more shit.
 
the truck is warming up and ill be on my way in a few minutes!!!!!! Should be a good day! Ill be at the ballpark in the morning and then floating from altmar to 2a in the afternoon!!!!!

You can't miss my rig...say hi!

Peace, love and chrome!
 
Oh stop getting your waders in a bunch, I'm just giving you shit. At least you're getting to fish. If you had a flat brimmed hat on in the photo I would have given you even more shit.
No offense taken, I know ;) I dont wear a flat brimmed hat, if anyone sees me wearing one please throw me off salmon river falls because I must have turned into a douche.
 
then floating from altmar to 2a in the afternoon!!!!!


Stop being a sissy and float to the Black!

---------- Post added at 06:26 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:21 PM ----------

So....I've been told my leave dates for my "mid tour leave" and the wife is already expecting me to be gone for most of the time during the day fishing. She knows me better than I know myself. I told here I was coming home for our Anniversary, she pulled the BS card and said I was coming home for the fish and not her. Ok, so it's a little of both. Haha. SO, I'll be on the big river towards the end of November.

I've been keeping busy tying up more tube flies and big bugs then I'll be able to use in a whole season. But, you can never have too many.

I do have a question for you hardcore spey guys. What rate poly leaders are you running for what flows? I've only ever used the leaders you can make yourself, but I'm going to give the poly leaders a try when I get home. I'm picking them up in all the lengths (15'-6') and every sink rate available.
 
First - Sorry I haven't had a chance to answer your message from the other day and only have a few seconds now, so I will try to summarize real quick.

General rules of thumb, for me at least:

Polyleaders: go with scandi heads, designed to throw spey flies and lighter streamer patterns, although a conehead bugger is do-able as well as tubes tied on plastic bodies.
Sinking tips: (I prefer Rio 15', some like t-11,14 MOW Tips etc) go with skagit heads. designed to throw the feathery meat whistles that have weight, brass tube flies and/or flies that absorb alot of water.

I use scandi head/polyleaders up to 750cfs on the SR. I use 15' Rio Spey Versileaders leaders with 3' ultragreen. Get all the sinkrates, as you will change leaders based on flows, seasons and fishing runs.
I use mostly skagit with sinking tips when flows are 750 and above.

I prefer scandi heads, they are smoother and more fun to cast.

General formula - scandi head, entire head and leader should be 3.5 times rod length for effective touch and go style casts so you don't loose anchor. For example - You have the z7136 - So you will be looking at a scandi head, somewhere in the 450 grain window that is around 34' long (Rio Steelhead Scandi), using 15' polyleaders. The setup will cast like butter.

Skagit - shorter heads and leaders are possible due to sustained anchor casts. For your rod a 25' Airflo compact skagit or 25.5' Rio Skagit Flight in the 550 grains area with 15' sinking tips (Rio nontapered, int & type 3,6,8) will rocket the big boys out there.

You have a long rod (no homo) so 15' tips won't be too much. I use them on my 12'6 and 14' TCX rods.

Hope this at least gets you started.
 
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I was reading on a site from out West, and they were saying that it's better to use Scandi or thinner tappered fly lines when running poly leaders. They said running Skagit and poly leaders doesn't allow the proper flow of energy from the rod to the line then to the leader. Something about the skagit stops at too thick of a diameter for the poly leader to properly absorb the energy. They guy was also reccomending 10' poly leaders with a the 7136. I am going to try it all, because what works for someone might not work for me and vise versa. Thanks for the tips though!

Eric, make sure you drop me an email too. I have some more questions. Haha. Thanks.
 
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CT

When the river is 350- 500 CFS I use a floating or intermediate versi leader. If the river is 750CFS I try to use a versi leader which sinks about 3.9inches a second. If the water is very cold I will try and down size my fly and fish a size 6-8 fly on a heavy salmon iron or fish a strip leech tied on a 1/2 inch copper of brass tube. If you dont feel that you are getting in the zone try throwing a larger reach at the end of your cast. The slack will allow fly to sink before the swing starts, also if there are tricky currents you can do a high stick style presentation so the currents dont affect our swing as much.

If I were you I would stay away from skagit lines, as I find that the line diameter and tip diameters are so large you dont get as deep as you would with a versi leader. Check out Airflows compact scandi line it's one of my favorite lines.
 
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I have the powerspey on there right now. I will check out the Scandi lines...I've heard the windcutter is a good line too.
 
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Don't get the windcutter for swinging, the only thing good about the windcutter are the tips that come with for use on a a skagit head and you can use the line with the floating head for an indicator rig :thumb:. It's sux for swinging in comparison to scandi and skagit heads.

I don't see 10' polyleaders as a good choice for your rod only because you will lose anchor if you use a shooting head they way it was designed to be used: head dangles about 3-4" outside you tip-top, but everyonehas perferances and you may find they are perfect. There is so much too this and everyone has a different outlook on it. I think both Art and I will agree that polyleaders on a scandi head are the way to start. Can't go wrong with Airflo compact scandi or Rio steelhead scandi. Airflo is coming out with a new head called the "Rage" which is a balance of skagit and scandi, specifically designed to throw polyleaders, up to 7-IPS. The grain for these heads is in the middle of a scandi and skagit head. While Scandi head will throw sinking polyleaders, they were designed for floating line applications, so the Rage may be the ticket. I'm sure I will have bought one by time you come home and will be able to give some feedback.

I have a 525 Rio skagit flight we can try on your rod when you get home and I am sure my buddy has one in the 550 grain area. I have all the tips for skagit we can try out with from t-14 to MOW to my favorite 15' tips.
 
The dam is still releasing at 335 cfs.

Pineville gage is reading 5.84 FT


Currently at 2130 the flow is 417 cfs


TONIGHT 9.23.2011
Cloudy. Showers likely this evening. A chance of showers after midnight. Patchy fog developing late. Warm with lows in the lower 60s. Southeast winds 10 to 15 mph...diminishing to 10 mph or less. Chance of rain 70 percent.
SATURDAY 9.24
Some patchy fog in the morning...otherwise mostly cloudy with a 40 percent chance of showers. Highs in the lower 70s. Southwest winds 10 mph or less...becoming northwest.
SATURDAY NIGHT
Mostly cloudy. A chance of showers in the evening. Mild with lows in the upper 50s. Light winds. Chance of rain 40 percent.
SUNDAY 9.25
Partly to mostly sunny. Highs in the mid 70s. Light winds.
SUNDAY NIGHT
Mostly cloudy. A chance of showers. Warm with lows in the lower 60s. Light winds. Chance of rain 30 percent.
MONDAY
Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers and thunderstorms. Highs in the upper 70s. Chance of rain 40 percent.
MONDAY NIGHT
Showers likely with a chance of thunderstorms. Lows in the lower 60s. Chance of rain 60 percent.
TUESDAY
Showers likely. Highs in the lower 70s. Chance of rain 60 percent.
TUESDAY NIGHT
Mostly cloudy with a 50 percent chance of showers. Lows in the upper 50s.
WEDNESDAY
Mostly cloudy with a 40 percent chance of showers. Highs in the upper 60s.
WEDNESDAY NIGHT
Mostly cloudy with a 30 percent chance of showers. Lows in the mid 50s.
THURSDAY
Mostly cloudy with a 30 percent chance of showers. Highs in the mid 60s.
THURSDAY NIGHT
Partly cloudy. Lows in the upper 40s.

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