Salmon River Report 2011

[AKSkim]

I was.. I WAS ... planning on running up there on Friday afternoon.

Been following the weather and dam release reports.

Here is the latest @ midnight Wednesday, March 9th.

365123 THE SALMON RIVER AT LIGHTHOUSE HILL
PUBLISHED ON MAR 10, 2011 AT 00:01:03 - EXPIRES MAR 10 8:00 PM



For the Salmon River at Brookfield Renewable Power's Lighthouse Hill Dam, Altmar, NY. The following predictions are for flows in the river just below the powerhouse unless otherwise noted.

Information about the timing of water level changes downstream of the powerhouse is included after the forecast.

Emergency conditions exist on the river. Please stay away from the river. Access is strongly discouraged until further notice.



Until 4:00 AM today, 2,190 CFS
From 4:00 AM today until 8:00 AM 2,580 CFS
From 8:00 AM today until NOON 2,970 CFS
From NOON today until 4:00 PM 3,360 CFS
From 4:00 PM today until 8:00 PM 3,750 CFS

These flows are expected to continue until further notice.

Special Warning! Due to heavy rain, flows might change drastically from this forecast and flooding might occur at any time. Special operations might be required and significant runoff can occur from uncontrolled parts of the watershed. Please follow other local warnings. Be especially alert and use extreme caution near the river.


The Gauge @ Pineville presently reading 2,070 cfs, height 7.76 feet.

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Regional Forecast for Oswego
Overnight
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</TD><TD class="vaT full">Rain...some snow and sleet east of I-81 for awhile. Windy. Near steady temperatures in the mid 30s. Southeast winds 15 to 30 mph. Gusts up to 40 mph. Chance of precipitation near 100 percent.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Thursday
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</TD><TD class="vaT full">Periods of rain. Highs in the lower 40s. Southeast winds 15 to 25 mph. Gusts up to 35 mph. Chance of rain near 100 percent. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Thursday Night
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</TD><TD class="vaT full">Rain. Windy. Near steady temperatures in the lower 40s. Southeast winds 20 to 30 mph. Chance of rain near 100 percent. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Friday
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</TD><TD class="vaT full">Rain. Breezy with highs in the mid 40s. Southeast winds 15 to 25 mph becoming east. Chance of rain near 100 percent.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Friday Night
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</TD><TD class="vaT full">Rain in the evening...then wet snow likely overnight. Colder with lows in the lower 30s. Southeast winds 10 to 20 mph. Chance of precipitation 90 percent.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Saturday
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</TD><TD class="vaT full">Wet snow likely...possibly mixed with rain. Highs in the upper 30s. Chance of precipitation 60 percent.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Saturday Night
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</TD><TD class="vaT full">Cloudy with a chance of snow and rain. Lows in the mid 20s. Chance of precipitation 50 percent. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Sunday
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</TD><TD class="vaT full">Cloudy with a 50 percent chance of snow. Highs in the lower 30s. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Sunday Night
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</TD><TD class="vaT full">Mostly cloudy with a 40 percent chance of snow. Lows 15 to 20. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

 

[AKSkim]

DSR REPORT March 10th. 8:021 a.m-A few things have happened to bring the river to flood stage. We are getting quite a bit of rain and snow melt along the river. The power house is also trying to thaw the gates. You will see the water report has a lot of change in it and that is why. This should bring in a lot of spring fish and make our late March and April very good.


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WHITAKER'S FLY SHOP REPORT 3.10.11
SURF'S UP...Please check the waterline for the latest update, flood stage conditions are expected. Over the next couple of days the temperature is expected to moderate along with a wintry mix changing over to rain. Everyone is watching the weather and is concerned about the water level. At this point the river is already running high and the last thing we need is mild weather along with any precipitation. As conditions develop the only thing we can do is watch the weather and wait to see what happens. On Wednesday the temperature reached into the mid 30's along with high winds in the afternoon. We did not get any reports from the lower end of the river. Anglers staying in the motel reported getting into fish in the Lower Fly Fishing Area and the Schoolhouse Pool.

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Brookfield Power warns fishermen of rising water in Salmon River



OSWEGO COUNTY -- An alert just into us about high water on the Salmon River in Oswego County.

County Emergency Management is out with an advisory for fisherman.
Effective immediately, Brookfield Power will release more water than usual and the water will go up even higher.

Last fall, two fisherman died when a sudden rush of water swept them away.

OSWEGO -- As soon as fishermen in Oswego learned that one man had died and three men had been swept away by fast rising water near a hydro-electric plant dam - questions came up about the sirens that warn fisherman of rising water. Some fisherman said the sirens had not gone off before the water level rose quickly on Tuesday afternoon.

On Wednesday afternoon, more than a dozen fishermen were wading in the Oswego River, but Michael Carpenter was watching from the shoreline. Just 24 hours earlier he and his son had been in waders hoping to reel in a few fish – until a fast rising current nearly swept them away.

"To drag him out by the arm in that current and watch the other guys trying to make it to safety and going down - that hurts," said Carpenter. "It hurt me and it hurt him."
45-year-old Leonard Nichols and 52-year-old Clifford Luther were pulled out further up the river. Nichols died at the hospital and Luther was still in serious condition Wednesday.
The safety manager for the Varick Dam said he has started an internal investigation into exactly what happened Tuesday afternoon. Jeff Auser said he thinks the siren did go off and his investigation will focus on "when did it go off, how long did it go off and how many times did it go off."

Michael Carpenter also had questions for Auser and said he wanted answers about the current that nearly swept his son and him away.

"There was no siren discernable in relation to we ought to get out of there," said Carpenter. "There was nothing. There were sounds earlier, 45 minutes or an hour earlier - there was nothing in line with the water rising."
Jeff Auser said his internal investigation into what happened at the dam should be completed in a few days.
　
Original Story:
Police and hydroelectric plant operators were trying Wednesday to determine whether water from heavy rains or released from the Oswego River plant swept away four fishermen, drowning one and leading to dramatic rescues of the other three.

Witnesses said sirens used to warn fishermen of impending releases didn't sound early Tuesday afternoon before the rising water caught the four men. The four were in a popular salmon fishing spot about a mile from where the river empties into the eastern end of Lake Ontario at Oswego, 35 miles north of Syracuse.

Oswego police said there were "audible alerts," but continued their investigation into the timing in relation to when the water started to rise. Police Capt. Tory DeCaire said it wasn't known if rainy weather or water released from the Varick Dam plant caused the water to suddenly rise.

When the plant releases water, a siren sounds and a recorded message warns fishermen. Signs posted along the river warn anglers to "exit water immediately" whenever the siren sounds.

Toronto-based Brookfield Renewable Power Inc. operates the plant. Kim Osmars, chief operating officer for Brookfield's Marlborough, Mass.-based U.S. operations, said in a statement that the company has launched "a complete and thorough investigation" of safety and operations protocols at the hydro station.

A company spokeswoman had no further comment.

Witnesses said the four men were weighed down by water that filled their hip waders.
"All of a sudden the water just come up so fast," fisherman Jack MacDowell told Syracuse's WSYR-TV. "Nobody knew what to do. The guys were trying to scramble to get out, and you know they were falling and going under the water and they started to panic."
City firefighters used a rescue boat to pull two men from the water as they clung to sign poles in the river. Oswego Fire Chief Jeffrey McCrobie and Police Officer Damian Waters jumped into the river to rescue the other two men. They were picked up by a U.S. Coast Guard boat and brought to shore.

The second pair of rescued men were taken to Oswego Hospital, where Leonard Nichols, 45, of Wellsburg, was pronounced dead. Clifford Luther, 52, of Horseheads, was in serious condition at the hospital Wednesday. Police didn't release the names of the other two men.
Dave Robinson of Hancock told the Palladium-Times of Oswego that he was one of the four men caught by the water. He said he was standing in water up to his chest when the water began to rise. He and another man managed to grab sign poles and held on.

"I knew they were in trouble," Robinson said of the other men. "They knew they were in trouble. They were starting to go back and they just couldn't make it."

Other people fishing along the river, known for its salmon runs, said the siren had sounded earlier in the day, but not in the minutes before the four men were swept away at around 12:45 p.m.

"If we had an alarm, all this could have been prevented," Jared Crimmins, a fisherman from nearby Scriba, told WSYR.

Crimmins said Oswego is popular with out-of-state anglers who may not be as aware as local fishermen who know that particular stretch of river and the potential danger when the plant releases water.

The state Canal Corp. owns the dam and others along the Oswego Canal, which includes the river. Canal Director Carmella Mantello said the agency isn't involved in water releases at the Varick Dam plant, which is licensed by the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission.
(Copyright 2010 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

 

[G Lech]

I hate to hear people die when fishing, very sad.

 

[jcstikfish]

Thats a lot of water. If you can find soft water(thats not up in the woods , and fish safely you could still get into a few fish. Definitely a few spots that would fit that bill. Landing them....well tha'ts going to be even tougher. Probably a bunch of fish up in the main diversion between Ellis cove and the trestle. Which is the width of many regular trout streams anyway!


~James

 

[AKSkim]

If you can find soft water and fish safely you could still get into a few fish. Definitely a few spots that would fit that bill. ~James

You got that right James.

Been texting CTobias all evening back and forth... he is saying the exact same thing.
Just waiting for him to give up those secret spots when the river is over 3,000 cfs.

I been reading the posts on my other board where I post about the SR, and I am at that point to say screw it and just go anyway..

Which right now is 80% that I am going.

But I would like to make it back in time on Sunday to show up at Shannon's Fly Shop and watch John Collins.

All do able.

 

[CTobias]

High Water Fishing on the SR

High water fishing on the SR can be VERY productive if you know what you're doing, what to look for, and where to go.

There are many side channels and diversions along the SR that will hold fish in high water. You can still fish the main river, but that can be tricky.

If you're going to fish the main river, STAY OUT of the water. The fish are right next to the bank in this high water, same goes for the side channels if the river is above 2000 cfs (which it currently is). Look for soft seams and slack water, as most of the fish will be lying here.

Starting below the school house and working all the way down to above the trestle, there are a good number of diversions that fish very well in high water. Most likely you'll encounter people there since it's one of the few spots to fish. You can park at the south side of the trestle and work up, or park at the school house and work down.

Another set of side channels and diversions start below the Ace and come back in right above the sportsman.

Most of the fish will move out of the main stem and into these side channels where they don't have to work as hard. Other options are the tribs along the SR, but I don't like to fish those since most of the fish in there are spawners.

If you have any questions feel free to pm me and I'll respond as soon as I can.

Remember to be safe in any water level, but especially high water. No fish is worth your life.

 

[AKSkim]

At 0315 this morning (3.11.2011) the Pineville gage is reading 4,280 cfs; the dam is releasing 3,890 cfs.

 

[jcstikfish]

Re: High Water Fishing on the SR

Most of the fish will move out of the main stem and into these side channels where they don't have to work as hard. Other options are the tribs along the SR, but I don't like to fish those since most of the fish in there are spawners.

Absolutely agree about fishing Trout and Orwell throughout the spring, or most times really. Anytime you put 8-20 pound fish in water that small, bad things start to happen.

The unfortunate situation fish sometimes get into with this monster water is when it drops fast and they are in a diversion and can't find their way back to the main channel. Hope that isn't the case with this present spate.


~James

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Most of the fish will move out of the main stem and into these side channels where they don't have to work as hard. Other options are the tribs along the SR, but I don't like to fish those since most of the fish in there are spawners.

Absolutely agree about fishing Trout and Orwell throughout the spring, or most times really. Anytime you put 8-20 pound fish in water that small, bad things start to happen.

The unfortunate situation fish sometimes get into with this monster water is when it drops fast and they are in a diversion and can't find their way back to the main channel. Hope that isn't the case with this present spate.


~James

 

[AKSkim]

@ 1115 March 11, 2011
3,910 cfs

 

[AKSkim]

DSR REPORT for March 11th. 7:34 a.m-The water has continue to rise on the Salmon River and surrounding tribs. We received a lot of rain the past two days and more is in the forecast. Conditions for the upcoming week are still up in the air. However, when the river does come back down , spring fishing should be on FIRE

 

[king david]

one from a smaller trib..

 

[CTobias]

Fishing on the Salmon is still good. A lot of the guys are just having trouble keeping fish buttoned on.

There are a lot of spots to fish even in this high water, so don't be a fair weather fisherman and get out there.

I am almost certain that two other tribs near but not connected to the Salmon River will fish VERY well. Just gotta watch the gauge and when it starts coming down and gets to that magic number, you better call in sick and head there, because it's more than likely going to be ridiculous with fish.

 

[Simms]

Re: High Water Fishing on the SR

High water fishing on the SR can be VERY productive if you know what you're doing, what to look for, and where to go.

There are many side channels and diversions along the SR that will hold fish in high water. You can still fish the main river, but that can be tricky.

If you're going to fish the main river, STAY OUT of the water. The fish are right next to the bank in this high water, same goes for the side channels if the river is above 2000 cfs (which it currently is). Look for soft seams and slack water, as most of the fish will be lying here.

Starting below the school house and working all the way down to above the trestle, there are a good number of diversions that fish very well in high water. Most likely you'll encounter people there since it's one of the few spots to fish. You can park at the south side of the trestle and work up, or park at the school house and work down.

Another set of side channels and diversions start below the Ace and come back in right above the sportsman.

Most of the fish will move out of the main stem and into these side channels where they don't have to work as hard. Other options are the tribs along the SR, but I don't like to fish those since most of the fish in there are spawners.

If you have any questions feel free to pm me and I'll respond as soon as I can.

Remember to be safe in any water level, but especially high water. No fish is worth your life.

Good thing you didn't mention the diversions that start at Fraziers and come out rihgt above the Trestle ooooops, I just did.... LOVE these side diversions...In water like this, obviously crossing at muskrat is impossible, so park at the tressle pool lot NORTH and walk in that way...and UPPPP

 

[CTobias]

Re: High Water Fishing on the SR

Good thing you didn't mention the diversions that start at Fraziers and come out rihgt above the Trestle ooooops, I just did...

I did...read a little closer...the better diversion to fish starts right above the wires and right below the school house. The one that starts at Ellis, below frasiers is not that good. IMO

 

[king david]

Until NOON today, Mon, 2,250 CFS
perfect:hubbahubba:

 

[WBDluver]

River is at 1800. Two buddies of mine went up and landed 5 between the two of them.

 

[PRomano]

I'm heading up tomorrow and staying through Sunday. :hubbahubba:

 

[king david]

Re: High Water Fishing on the SR

river is dropping everday its running at 1800cfs

 

[AKSkim]

The river flows continue to drop, the dam release will be at 1,200 cfs till noon today.
　
Currently at Pineville it is 1,650 cfs.
　

　
DSR Report from two days ago;
March 16th. 9:47 a.m-The water is keeps dropping and the fishing is getting better by the day! Anglers have also reported to us that the small creeks are starting to fish good.

<dir><dir>Whitaker's Fly Shop Report Friday, March 18, 2011; This may not be your favorite water level, but the river is fishable and anglers are fishing. Most of the bank anglers have been fishing the upper end of the river in Altmar at the Lower Fly Fishing Area, below the Altmar bridge, Schoolhouse Pool, Wire Hole, Ellis Cove and the Trestle Pool. The drift boat guides have been taking advantage of the higher water and continue to float the river on a daily basis. Some days have been better then others with mixed reports depending on who you spoke with and where they fished. On Thursday we had blue skies with plenty of sunshine and the temperature reached 60 degrees. Anglers staying in the motel reported getting into fish in the Lower Fly Fishing Area, DSR and some of the smaller local tributaries.

Today
Mar 18
Windy and cooler 50°Lo 23°
Tomorrow
Mar 19
Mostly sunny 40°Lo 20°
Sunday
Mar 20
Mostly sunny 45°Lo 30°
Monday
Mar 21
Breezy with rain 51°Lo 32°
Tuesday
Mar 22
Colder with periods of sun 40°Lo 16°

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[AKSkim]

Dam release was at 1,200 cfs till noon on Friday March 18th, because of the fun off they increased the flow, until 11:59 PM Sun MAR 20, 1,500 CFS.

Pineville Gage 2,000 cfs.


DSR Report for March 18th. 8:47 a.m-The weather has been nice and looks like it will continue. Every year we get excited when the days finally fell spring like. However, there is always a period of time where it actually slows the bite. That time is now. As the snow melts the water temp plumets and turns the fish off for a few days. This is not to say there is not action to be had, the fish are just slower on the bite until the water temps start to turn around.

Whitaker's fly shop report for March 18, 2011
Were still dealing with melting snow coming off the Tug Hill which is normal for this time of year. Friday was another mild day with plenty of sunshine and the temperature reached into the upper 50's. The fishing pressure has increased with the mild weather and the majority of anglers have been fishing the upper end of the river in Altmar. The reports from anglers have been mixed, some groups got into fish, while others did not. Overall the majority of anglers we spoke with reported working hard for the fish they got. Anglers staying in the motel reported getting into fish in the Lower Fly Fishing Area, Schoolhouse Pool, Wire Hole, DSR and some of the smaller local tributaries.



SUGGESTED PATTERNS:

• Rusher Steelhead Nymph in blue, purple or red, size 10.
• Bead Head Stonefly in black or yellow, size 12.
• Steelhead Hammer in red, black or chart, size 12.
• Sucker spawn in pink, chart, cerise, blue, oregon cheese, egg, cream, size 10.
• Estaz eggs in chart, pink, blue, purple, orange, size 10.
• Glo bugs in chart, oregon cheese, pink, blue, clown, orange, size 10.
• Green caddis size 12.
• Steak-n-eggs in orange, pink or chart, size 10.
• Marabou Spey Tube Fly in pink/white, pink/purple, blue/black or black/purple.

 

[CTobias]

All the reports I'm getting are the river is fishing extremely SLOW today. Like the DSR ramblings stated, the bite sucks big time when that cold run off mixes in with the river.

If you're planning on heading up, I wait til at least Tuesday or so to let the fish settle in and get used to the temps. It's like clockwork, the bite shuts down when the temps go up. Once they've been that way for a consistent amount of days the bite turns right back on and can get down right silly when they do.

Don't be afraid to venture to other tribs along Lake Ontario either. Should be chock full of fish if you know where to go.

 

[AKSkim]

Dam relase scheduled to continue with 1,500 cfs till noon today, Sunday, March 20th.
Pineville gage at 0515 was 1,940 cfs
　
DSR Report for March 19th. 10:47 a.m-Anglers reporting better action on the run yesterday. The water temps are still cold , but the fish are starting to adjust. Beads and egg sacs were the top producers, but fish were caught on egg patterns and wooly buggers as well.

Whitaker's Fly Shop Report
Were still dealing with melting snow coming off the Tug Hill which is normal for this time of year. Saturday was a much colder day but we did have plenty of sunshine and the temperature was in the low 30's. The fishing pressure did increase over the weekend and the majority of anglers have been fishing the upper end of the river in Altmar. The reports from anglers have been mixed, some groups got into fish, while others did not. Overall the majority of anglers we spoke with reported working hard for the fish they got. Anglers staying in the motel reported getting into fish in the Lower Fly Fishing Area, Schoolhouse Pool, Wire Hole, DSR and some of the smaller local tributaries.

 

[AKSkim]

Dam relase scheduled to continue with 1,500 cfs till noon today, Monday, March 21st.
Pineville gage at 0515 was 1,860 cfs
　
Looks like everything was holding steady over the past 24 hours.

 

[AKSkim]

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[Simms]

My dad and buddy are on a drift boat with Troy Creasey right now doing pretty well... SNowing like mad though...

 

[AKSkim]

DSR Report for March 22nd. 8:17 a.m-Anglers reported several fresh chrome fish being caught yesterday. Beads, pink worms and egg sacs all produced fish. We are getting some more moisture and will have to keep a close eye on water levels.

Whitaker's Fly shop report for Monday, March 22
Were still dealing with melting snow coming off the Tug Hill which is normal for this time of year. Sunday was another nice day with plenty of sunshine and the temperature reached into the mid 40's. The fishing pressure did increase over the weekend and the majority of anglers have been fishing the upper end of the river in Altmar. The reports from anglers have been mixed, some groups got into fish, while others did not. Overall the majority of anglers we spoke with reported working hard for the fish they got. Anglers staying in the motel reported getting into fish in the Lower Fly Fishing Area, Schoolhouse Pool, Wire Hole, DSR and some of the smaller local tributaries.

 

[Simms]

1:50pm update from my dad, who is parked in the Bowvines right now... 9 steelies and 2 browns...

 

[AKSkim]

1:50pm update from my dad, who is parked in the Bowvines right now... 9 steelies and 2 browns...

What is he using?

Egg sacks, beads, flies?

 

[Simms]

Swinging flesh/intruders/and buggers/leeches... Got a few on size 8 and 10 prince/pheasant tails as well. He said he was gonna try bouncing some beads on the bottom. Ill give you an update when he gets out of the boat.

 

[Simms]

He was suprised too, lol. But hey, whatever works...

The 10' 7wt LOOMIS GLX NATIVE RUN with a Galvan Torgue 8 is haulin the mail, CTOBIAS