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Esopus

Ausablebomber

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Had an urge to fish today so I decided to give the Esopus a try. I started down stream from the 5 Arches Bridge and fished to the RR Bridge. Nothing was happening. Late in the day a few caddis came off but that was it. Has anyone had much luck fishing the Esopus?<o></o>
 
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I've had some luck pretty much right underneath the 5 arches bridge. That's definitely a good stream with some really nice fish. From what I hear it's primarily a rainbow fishery, though I saw plenty of brookies up by where Woodland Creek enters it. At that point in my fly fishing career I wasn't much of a caster so it was hard to reach out across the river to get to them.
 
Like you, I am a newbie and because of this, while I fish the whole lenght of the Esopus, I like to fish the smaller water above the portal because I have an easier time reaching the holding spots. Went there yesterday and picked up a 19.7 and a 16 inch browns. There were three DEC men (who kindly measured my fish) doing a survey who ased a few questions , "would I favor making the stretch between Phoenicia and the five arches bridge catch and release only?" Also, "would I favor opening it year round if it were catch and release only?" I like to keep a couple of fish for dinner so I said no the the C&R and yes to the year round if indeed it were catch and release. Wonder what other Esopus regulars feel about this?
 
You could have helped make that much of the esopus C&R?!?!?! and you didnt? Thats a jackass in my book. But I guess people have a right to keep fish.

And youre favorite part of the esopus is also my favorite part of the esopus.
 
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yes and i think it applies to him and not me in this threads context. He blabbed about my favorite part of the esopus. And said how good the fishing is up there.

My quote is justified is it not?
 
There is no need for C&R on the Esopus. All C&R stretches do is draw crowds. Any decline in the fishery over the past decade has been the result of storms and sedimentation from the portal. The meat fishermen do their damage on stockie browns, which are far easier to catch than the wild bows the stream is noted for. Sure there are some big fish taken on bait and kept during the spawning runs but people have the right to do so. And why open it year round, so people can target spawners for a longer period of time?...I'll pass on that too.

When asked by Region 3 DEC I've expressed my opinions strongly.
 
The few times I have been to the Esopus the water below the portal was running high and brown due to runoff. I've heard it is like that every spring. It would only make sense to seek out the slower water above the portal. BIG SECRET! Jack:bootyshak
 
I am new to fly fishing ,this is my third fishing season. I am in my late 50's and as my tag line says, this ol boy needs a mentor. The post Mountain Man responded to was my first on this forum. As a neophyte, I am not aware of the common etiquette and saw nothing in the forum agreement to diswade one from identifying general fishing locations. Being new, I am always grateful when some one gives me guidance of shares a desirible location, as I don''t have as many years left to hone my skills and knowledge. Forgive me if I violated some unwritten rule, ergo doing something "jackass". Perhaps, Mountain Man, you might consider advising me as you seem know so much. You will find me an eager and dedicated student. Otherwise, I am enjoying the forum thus far. As a post script, I baked the two large browns and fed four people at a lovely dinner party last night. We all enjoyed the dinner and the company and were very grateful for the Lord's bounty.
 
Amen to that....you can disregard most of what the mountain "man" says, as he is still a young buck, with a lot of hot air to blow! As far as giving away spots, well, if it's where you fished, and you feel like sharing, go for it. You may not get 100% positive feedback, but in reality who gives a rip, if you had a good time, and caught fish, or even if you just enjoyed a great day outdoors and want to share with your "cyber-friends" (as my wife is known to call the folks on here) JUST DO IT, and naysayers be damned! That's just my two cents!
 
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Welcome to the forum. The Esopus is a great stream when it's not being totally screwed by runoff coming out of the Shandaken Tunnel. Hopefully sometime soon the City will fix that problem by implementing some kind of acceptable turbidity control measure. They've lost repeatedly in court on the issue though the EPA might screw it all up by exempting water transfers from the Clean Water Act - not sure how that one will play out. Anyway, I"m rambling! If it's running high and off color out of the tunnel upstream is an obvious choice but I also found that as I moved downstream away from the tunnel the water seemed clearer and the fishing got better and better.
 
He blabbed about my favorite part of the esopus. And said how good the fishing is up there.

My quote is justified is it not?


Way to take your own quote out of context. Your "that's jackass" remark was in reference to the C&R proposal and then you were like "Oh hai, we like the same part of the river."
 
You said nothing that deserved being called a name. The Esopus is a great stream and virtually all of the water is good fishing. There are no "secret spots" on that river, you can access pretty much the entire length rather easily. I am now 50 and fished that river frequently for 10-12 years. If you feel like keeping a fish now and then, do it, there is nothing wrong with that at all. Try swinging some traditional wet flies through the riffles, it is a lot of fun and pretty productive on that stream. I also found that a big golden stonefly, hares ear, and muskrat nymph patterns worked very well. The buggier the better-use an old toothbrush to rough up those flies. I miss going there, but living in South Jersey makes it just too far a ride for me anymore. The great thing about the Esopus is that it fishes well throughout the summer due to the cold water releases from the portal. Have a great time and don't pay attention to the kind of post you saw earlier.
 
Oh yeah but when someone blabbs about your guys favorite part of a small stream lets say in NJ you get all up in arms. I'm just trying to keep hoards of fishermen off a favorite haunt of mine.
 
yeah and i guess im sorry for callin the guy a jackass.

What I was suoopsed to say was
Welcome, hope to see ya on the river someday
 
The portal is a blessing and a curse. What do you think keeps the river cold in August when the Beaverkill is shut down? It certainly has dumped silt into the river but also provides cold water during the summer releases from the portal.
Some of the lower tribs warm up over the summer, so the portal can really be a saving grace.

As for flies, as mention, fish big stone nymphs, princes. Throw in some zug bugs (iso imitation) in the late summer and fall. The iso hatches can be great, as can skittering stone dries at dark.
In the summer during low water you can fish from midstream to the banks with stimis and droppers and clean up.

Enjoy.
 
About keeping fish on the Esopus, I was actually advised by the owner of a very popular Catskill shop. I was told how there are tons of rainbows and verbatim "If you ever wanted to keep a fish or two keep it in this river"
 
Don"t mind cmm, He's just a jerk. His favorite spot on the Beaverkill is Cairn's Pool. Don't tell anyone, thats a secret too.
 
oh well, well, the beaverkill eh? Mr. wild bill I see its your first post as well. Welcome i guess

And my favorite pool is located on the neversink not the bk although i do like barnhearts
 
The Esopus is no secret. I've fished it since I was a kid and there were plenty of people fishing it then (and that was in the 60s). The Esopus used to be/or still is the best stream in NY for natural reproduction and they also stock the crap out of it, so I wouldn't worry about keeping a fish once in a while, although my preference would be to keep 5 smaller ones rather than the large ones since the smaller ones taste better anyway and the large ones breed better. I believe they only stock browns, so all those rainbows are wild. And there is also a good population of wild browns besides the stockies. If they did make it a C&R stream, I would like to see them end the stocking program.

Bruce
 
44 didn't give up a "spot". He said he fished above the portal. That's like one of us "Jersey" guys saying he fished the BFB fly fishing section.

But I do feel that Cdog is partially responsible for the crowds on the BFB, w/ all his reports and pictures. I think he should just PM his reports to me so I can edit and share them if I deem them apropriate. Actually I think everyone should PM me their reports and "secret" spots and I will store them on my hard drive in case any of you ever get amnesia(spell check not working).

Am I off topic?

lh
 
I want to thank Catskill Mountain Man, his constant replies makes me think it must be a really good area and I must give it a try try it. Thanks CMM, I would suggest you just clam up it not give it so much press if you don't want people flocking to it. Sometimes it's just better to ignore remarks than keep them alive. On one thread someone mentioned one of my spots and I just bit my tongue and the thread died in two days. All you are doing is peaking interest,
I can't wait to give it a try.
 
I never did think much of the Neversink with all its slow water but maybe I should explore it further if you think so highly of it, again thanks for the info.
See my point, you just keep it going, its like kicking your self in the ass but some people are into the whips and spankings, so who am I to say.
 
The Esopus is a rare jewel in the northeast with enough fishable water for all of us. I got a laugh out of some of the 'spot burning' responses as this is a famous stream with a long history. I'll be up on Friday, the water may be a bit high after a couple of rains but this is more about getting out there and hoping for a few fish. Looking forward to meeting some of you guys, even the fesity mountain man!

Mick
 
How can you spot burn the river where Babe Ruth enjoyed fishing???????????? :iagree:
 
44Forest - if you are a newbi, then there are some things worth remembering with anything involving the internet - if you mention catching a chubb on a specific pool, you can bet that more than one or two fishermen will plan a trip there. So most people might say "fished the Esopus", but for their own sake alone few would say which pool, how to get there, etc. It seems that the best places do not have crowds, and advertising a place is not generally a happy thing.

As far a killing fish vs catch and release, this to me is a little bit up to you, with limits. Some streams are stocked heavily, and few fish make it through the year - to me if someone keeps an OCCASIONAL fish for dinner, no big deal. If you take enough to freeze, problem - since if everyone else did this even on these stocked streams there might be no fish left by early summer. Wild trout streams are different in my opinion - the number of fish is a function of habitat - so if one fish, especially a bigger one is taken you have less brood stock, and less little baby trout next spring. Some jerks seem to feel it is important to bring home a stringer of fish of any size - a couple years ago on an unamed little brook I ran into an idiot who had maybe 5-6 wild brookies, with the longest maybe 6" long - what the hell was he going to do with these I have no idea, unless he was feeding midgets - too small to eat. Asked him which one he was having mounted, and he thought I was serious...so use judgement, be considerate of other's fishing, and enjoy the water.
 
As for the catch and release issue, consider this: The Bighorn, which is virtually the biggest trout factory in the world, only allows people to keep 1 fish over 18", along with a few smaller ones. Now I'm not trying to compare small Catskill streams with a freak of nature tailwater out West, but logic suggests taht ya gotta protect spawning-age fish if you want any kind of resident population. Last time I checked there wasn't a size limit, and rather a size minimum in NY's general regs.
 
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