Joe D
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What caused such a recent explosion in the popularity of this technique? :devious:
Simply, greed.
What caused such a recent explosion in the popularity of this technique? :devious:
It's everywhere. What caused such a recent explosion in the popularity of this technique? :devious:
Is it ethical? Absolutely not on these waters.
Their is usually some self policing based on personal beliefs and local customs. An example is not floating the Beaverkill.
Can someone explain why floating the Beaverkill is one of these self policing local customs? I mean, why is it not done or why would it be inappropriate?
It is done. I have seen it done with pontoons, kayaks, canoes and drift boats. I think the reason it is not done too often is due to the lack of boat access areas and for much of the season the water levels are too low. Joe
Thanks for answering.John,
It is done. I have seen it done with pontoons, kayaks, canoes and drift boats. I think the reason it is not done too often is due to the lack of boat access areas and for much of the season the water levels are too low.
Joe
what specifically makes the use of "water craft" (of any sort) inappropriate on some rivers.
It's everywhere. What strikes me as very odd is how recent it became popular and how fast its use spread. Centerpinning is one of the oldest forms of angling, yet up until very recently it was virtually unheard of to see a centerpin in use on a trout stream. I have been fishing the Salmon River since the mid 80's and up until about 5 or 6 years ago it was a rare occasion to see a centerpin in use even there. Used to be mostly Canadians at first who had been using them on their steelhead & salmon waters. What caused such a recent explosion in the popularity of this technique? :devious:
Thanks for answering.
I've seen it done on the BK myself.
But I know that MOST fishermen consider it a "sin".
I'm wondering why that is so. You know, what specifically makes the use of "water craft" (of any sort) inappropriate on some rivers.
Your problem is that you're too patient with people. Nothing out of the ordinary bothers you. You're just a happy go lucky kinda guy. You'll probably never get an ulser worrying about unimportant things. You're probably very rarely stressed about things other than picking up Llama eggs when you can find them!
Your problem is that you're too patient with people. Nothing out of the ordinary bothers you. You're just a happy go lucky kinda guy. You'll probably never get an ulser worrying about unimportant things. You're probably very rarely stressed about things other than picking up Llama eggs when you can find them!
i agree that generalities are misleading, but i think ifli did a pretty good job trying not to make them. its up to the person practicing to use the method in an ethical way.
it seems to me several factors combine to bring the ire of fly fishers to centerpinning. part of the argument is the relative ease of entry into the sport (say vs fly fishing, which takes a lot of time and dedication to master) for someone who is only concerned with hookups and not with fishing concientiously. a big part of learning how to fish, for most of us, involves fishing ethics, but by jumping into centerpinning, it seems some 'select minded' people can easily bypass any ethics. that doesnt mean that all centerpinners are bad people or all flyfishers are good, but it does seem to open the door more easily for those uninclined to think about their action to have a significant and severe effect on individual fish and the resource as a whole.
by what you say fff, you sound like a concientious float fisher, but you also seem to take offense to others bashing those in your sport that are not like-minded.
FandF.com,
I do not know what goes on in Ohio but you should see the chuckle headed shennegans that go on in the Oswego area.
First off, just because they have what appears to be a fly rod in their hand, does not mean it is, or that they are fly fisherman. They use 11 ft noodle rods with mono on a fly reel and huge weights. The bomb cast is the new lift in disguise. Out of 10 guys that may look like they are fly fishing, only one is. The other 9 just use the physics of a longer rod and a c&d casting style to hide that they are lifting.
Pinners are just as bad. Super long drifts right in to the water you are fishing. I have also seen some interesting busy type casts with misderictional flourishes like some bad vegas magician. Move rod right side arm style. As cast moves forward spin reel, haul line down to side, REACH INTO BAG GRAB A HANDFUL OF EGGS and throw them out while making it look like you are stabbing the air with a strange two handed mend. The real trick? Different eggs than are present in the water. After a 1/2 hour the fish switched and nobody else was hooking up. I saw what color he was chumming and switched. First cast got me the hook up. After that one I move on to a new spot because I was really pissed at his unscrupulous trickery. Did I mention that no one else had a clue he was doing this? This guy was a master douche bag. What a skill...
It seems that any style of fishing can be exploited and made unethical. Centerpinning seems to be the best way to exploit the advantages of several styles of fishing. None of the things I have talked about in this post seem right or something a real sportsman would do. Where is the challenge? I think I am going to swing flies this whole winter so as not to be associated with any of this.
Just so you know, I looked at your sit and it seemed like you have it together. This is not a personal attack nor am I condeming your methods. As I said in the opener "I do not know what goes on in Ohio." This is a North Eastern Fly Fishing forum. If you are going to post here you will have to deal with what a fly fisherman who lives and fishes here sees, and the opinion he forms from that. 95% guilty (spin, pin, and fly) and 5% real sportsmen.
McA
You have it right Mike. There are a holes that use all types of tackle. I think the chumming is illegal anyway... isn't it? I hear you about the "mono" fly rod guys snagging fish. I do agree that the person makes it unethical not the type of tackle used. Also, thats a great point you make about swinging flies... there is no BS there every hook up is the result of a bite. I do use CP gear for the steelhead and I do see your reasons for complaint but on the other hand I have seen many guys with fly rods doing some really bad stuff, especially on the smaller tribs. Mike I am sorry you had the experience that you did at Oswego. Also, the better CP guys that I know do not make long drifts because they are un-neccesary. If you KNOW where the fish are holding and can READ water there is no need to hog a spot up.
C-pinning is a sophisticated form of bait fishing, and sophisticated forms of bait fishing were always deadly.
Here is my view of history. As a kid there were all sorts of bait pros: guys who could dead drift single salmon eggs with fly tackle, salt minnow riggers, etc. These guys were the "fish heads" of the day and caught enormous numbers of trout, especially the trophies. Today it seems that almost all serious fishermen head towards fly tackle and I don't see all that many really expert bait fishermen anymore. Bait fishing seems to be the domain of the tyro (and some Asian and East European immigrants who have absolutely deadly bait techniques developed to catch a meal in heavily pressured waters).
That seems to be changing with C-pinning, which is basically a sophisticated style of bobber fishing (the European match fishermen have even refined the techniques more). C-pinning became popular for steelhead fishing and it is only natural that it spread to the bigger trout streams since there seem to be a large number of c-pinners from Binghampton and Scranton that fish the Salmon and the Delaware regularly. A few years ago I saw three guys C-pinning below Hale's Eddy bridge. I watched until they caught 50 trout among themselves, and it didn't take too long. I will finally say that even bait fishermen have to learn their craft to do well- but when they learn it well they can catch awesome numbers of fish. There is always a challenge to fishing bait well.
my favorite discussion of this goes back to the 1860's and Thad Norris' American Anglers Guide. He was discussing fly fishing in high, cold water and said you could trim your wet fly, add a buck shot for weight, and fish it under a float to catch fish in these conditions, but that it is really just bait fishing with a fly.