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BEAVER burning the spots

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Beaver

Fishizzle, I use worms but I'm looking to upgrade!
I constantly get accused for burning the spots by telling people in my videos where I fish. If you think that this is bad, here is something for you guys to hate me even more. I was the one who published all the fishing maps for the Catskills. I closed the business in 2012 but I sold over 74,000 copies over 6 years. This was the last edition in 2010. I also posted many maps on line for most streams in the lower NY and PA showing all the hidden secret holes.

I'm the enemy.

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Beaver, you got my respect.

I like your critics too, but I don't agree with them.

You must love these streams, or you wouldn't have the knowledge you do.
 
I donated about 150 copies of laminated version that are on display at many campgrounds and other public places. Roscoe had one on display for years but they took the kiosk down. Don't know why. Also all DEP and DEC police used my maps.
 
Beaver said:
I donated about 150 copies of laminated version that are on display at many campgrounds and other public places. Roscoe had one on display for years but they took the kiosk down. Don't know why. Also all DEP and DEC police used my maps.
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GB Mag might start using your maps....
 
Oh brother, I have one of these maps for NJ that I got as a gift, details every stream and the type of fish in it. The work of the Beav?

On a brighter note, I see a collaboration between CMM and the Beav brewing here. Perhaps a video involving one (perferably both) of you jumping into some raging rapids (heard it rained up there last night) with no life jacket? CMM has vast experience in this department. Just stick a GoPro on your un-helmeted (preferably) head.
 
Kapfish said:
He did say he sold 74000 copies so what is it love of?
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He did it well.

My guess is that he sold a map to every one of us, and it made sense to move on to something new?

I actually like stories of people who make a buck through hard work and a little effort...
 
If I made ton of money I would not close the business. I was making $7000 profit per year working 1000 hours. This was labor of love. It took me full 2 years, every weekend to map out just the Catskills including hiking 600 miles of trails with GPS. None of the maps before had accurate GPS mapped trails. I drove every single dirt road looking for possible public access. Spend countess hours walking the stream banks, talking to locals, talking to guides, attending Trout Unlimited meetings. If I didnt work full time maybe i would have continued as I had about 18 titles in the works but it would take 5-8 years just to grow this business.
 
Beaver said:
If I made ton of money I would not close the business. I was making $7000 profit per year working 1000 hours. This was labor of love. It took me full 2 years, every weekend to map out just the Catskills including hiking 600 miles of trails with GPS. None of the maps before had accurate GPS mapped trails. I drove every single dirt road looking for possible public access. Spend countess hours walking the stream banks, talking to locals, talking to guides, attending Trout Unlimited meetings. If I didnt work full time maybe i would have continued as I had about 18 titles in the works but it would take 5-8 years just to grow this business.
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If you were smart you would have done like corporate america and just had unpaid interns do all your work
 
Maybe I am interpreting this wrong but the title of the thread sounds like an STD
 
Beaver said:
If I made ton of money I would not close the business. I was making $7000 profit per year working 1000 hours. This was labor of love. It took me full 2 years, every weekend to map out just the Catskills including hiking 600 miles of trails with GPS. None of the maps before had accurate GPS mapped trails. I drove every single dirt road looking for possible public access. Spend countess hours walking the stream banks, talking to locals, talking to guides, attending Trout Unlimited meetings. If I didnt work full time maybe i would have continued as I had about 18 titles in the works but it would take 5-8 years just to grow this business.
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Maybe that‘s what some people are upset about. They may have spent their whole lives doing the same things to find their favorite places and then someone gives every moron with fifteen bucks a map to those places.(no offense to those of you who have the beav‘s work)
 
i have to agree with GreenFrog. This is the Eastern United States not the Northwest Territory. I had to laugh when he someone got mad at him for posting about "their secert place", and in the video was a bridge with cars going by and bright yellow signs on the trees. Wow im sure everyone that lives there does not know abou it. lol We all long for our own piece of stream where no one can go but us, but the reality is that the only way to have that is to own property and post it. If its public, you can be sure more than just you and a few people know about it. I used to have the "all mine" mindset, and robbed myself of a lot of enjoyment thinking that way. Fishing becomes a lot more enjoyable and relaxing when we realize these are open to the public and the public includes more people than just me. So relax, have fun, and meet someone new. You never know, they just may show you a new secret spot.
 
WBDluver said:
i have to agree with GreenFrog. This is the Eastern United States not the Northwest Territory. I had to laugh when he someone got mad at him for posting about thier secert place, and in the video was a bridge with cars going by and bright yellow signs on the trees. Wow im sure everyone that lives there does not know abou it. lol We all long for our own piece of stream where no one can go but us, but the reality is that the only way to have that is to own property and post it. If its publice, you can be sure more than just you and a few people know about it.
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Thanks for the geography lesson:)
 
you are welcome sir, I am put on this earth to educate and bring peace and harmony to NEFF. :)
 
WBDluver said:
i have to agree with GreenFrog. This is the Eastern United States not the Northwest Territory. I had to laugh when he someone got mad at him for posting about "their secert place", and in the video was a bridge with cars going by and bright yellow signs on the trees. Wow im sure everyone that lives there does not know abou it. lol We all long for our own piece of stream where no one can go but us, but the reality is that the only way to have that is to own property and post it. If its public, you can be sure more than just you and a few people know about it. I used to have the "all mine" mindset, and robbed myself of a lot of enjoyment thinking that way. Fishing becomes a lot more enjoyable and relaxing when we realize these are open to the public and the public includes more people than just me. So relax, have fun, and meet someone new. You never know, they just may show you a new secret spot.
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Well said sir.:)

What you're saying makes a lot of sense. The Catskills are not wilderness - in some ways, they're more like a garden or a zoo. There are wild things there, but only because people permit them to stay (I'll leave the government out of it this time.) If nobody cared, the place would have been logged and quarried to death ages ago. The more people who care about the place, the better. To the extent that Beaver helps people love the Catskills, he could be helping to keep some of its places wild.

The thing is, at the same time, I also feel like some places would ideally be safe from GoPro wielding amateur videographers and guidebooks and cheap laminated maps and the internet. Trout streams are one of those places. I don't understand why people feel the urge to document everything they do. But that's a lost cause. If you like exploring on your own, you have to find a way to shut out the noise produced by guys like Beaver and Weamer, who are well intentioned, but definitely help to destroy the mystery.

Thanks to Weamer, I know about every single trout-holding piece of water on the Upper Delaware system. Sometimes, as I'm rowing around a new bend in the river, I already know what's on the other side, and I wish I'd never picked up his book. But that was my mistake, not his for writing it. Same thing with Beaver.
 
Considering all the spinning i did in your boat i should be i should have lost my sense of direction for life.
 
mudbug201 said:
I don't understand why people feel the urge to document everything they do. But that's a lost cause.
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This is a cultural phenomenon that I don't quite get. This winter, every other shit-stain on a pair of skis or snowboard was wearing a go-pro on their helmet. Last couple of weeks, same for every other chode I came across when mountain biking. Are you really so self absorbed to think that everyone else wants to watch your shitty movie of mediocre skiing/riding/biking? Do you actually go home and re-watch 8hrs of yourself after you just did it? And no matter how fast you were going or how much air you think you got, it always looks completely underwhelming on video.

On a positive note, I did get to see some dipshit completely smash his $400 GoPro to pieces trying to ski under a barrier into the parking lot. I wish I filmed that.
 
On a positive note, I did get to see some dipshit completely smash his $400 GoPro to pieces trying to ski under a barrier into the parking lot. I wish I filmed that.[/QUOTE]

If you had a go pro on your helmet you would have.

just sayin
 
Speaking of spots, burning or otherwise, I was driving around this weekend looking for smaller water and came across a nice little stream where about 1.5 km ran along a road. The downstream end had a bridge where there were two yellow posted signs with names on and addresses on them. About 1/3 of the way upstream there was a faded and torn generic orange sign. Past that no signage for a km until the stream disappeared into the woods and clearly into someone's property as marked by a fence.

Fish above the orange sign or not?

And what's the deal with the DEP signs that say public access for hunting, fishing, etc., but clearly look like they are on private land. I can legally walk on that land to water?

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Trout Nazi said:
This is a cultural phenomenon that I don't quite get. This winter, every other shit-stain on a pair of skis or snowboard was wearing a go-pro on their helmet. Last couple of weeks, same for every other chode I came across when mountain biking. Are you really so self absorbed to think that everyone else wants to watch your shitty movie of mediocre skiing/riding/biking? Do you actually go home and re-watch 8hrs of yourself after you just did it? And no matter how fast you were going or how much air you think you got, it always looks completely underwhelming on video.

On a positive note, I did get to see some dipshit completely smash his $400 GoPro to pieces trying to ski under a barrier into the parking lot. I wish I filmed that.
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I blame it on social media. I have friends that document and share absolutely everything they do. It's all fueled by narcissism.
 
sunsignarcher said:
If you had a go pro on your helmet you would have.

just sayin
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I thought that's was his point SSA. Never thought I'd accuse TN of overly dry humor but that was like a gummy blow job from a pothead prohibitionist in a California creek bed.

(dry)

For the record, I will gladly watch Beaver try to jump Katrina Falls on his bike while CMM floats under him on Moosekid's blow up swan sex toy. As long as nobody gets too specific about the location.
 
I don't use GoPro so I guess none of these comments apply to me.
 
lefty said:
Speaking of spots, burning or otherwise, I was driving around this weekend looking for smaller water and came across a nice little stream where about 1.5 km ran along a road. The downstream end had a bridge where there were two yellow posted signs with names on and addresses on them. About 1/3 of the way upstream there was a faded and torn generic orange sign. Past that no signage for a km until the stream disappeared into the woods and clearly into someone's property as marked by a fence.

Fish above the orange sign or not?

And what's the deal with the DEP signs that say public access for hunting, fishing, etc., but clearly look like they are on private land. I can legally walk on that land to water?

watershed_sign3-1.jpg
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Rip down the orange sign and fish........its old anyway...you never saw it.....:)
If someone gives you a hard time, tell them you know the Beaver and then point out the DEP signs...
 
You need DEP permit to fish on these waters. The permit is free and you can apply online. DEP are sometimes lazy and put their signs and leave old posted sign on the trees. Seen it few places. Specially deeper in the woods.
 
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