Auction For a Bamboo Classic and Bill Ballan Fly Reel

[golden beetle]

I think macfly's motives are pure here, I also understand the skepticism, if it results in some money being raised for a couple worthy causes that is a good thing. Understanding the skepticism, my hopes are that macfly wouldn't be trying to personaly profit from a fund raiser. That being said my cheap ass hasn't donated 1cent to this site yet. But, Christmas is comming........

I have strong reason to suspect that mac bought the granger rod for 450 dollars. JD Wagner Bamboo Rodmaker

Just a little research on the net.

Now ball an reels are half price, making those available in stock priced at about 250 bucks.

I suspect Mac paid, say, a total of 700 dollars for both rod n reel.

Am I right?

 

[Trout Fever]

lol yea right could of been one of those hidden treasures in the corner which no one actually knew it was worth money kinda like my hardy perfect i bought for 200 dollars along with a orvis rocky mountian and orvis reel with two spools roughly estimated 1300 to 1400 dollars its all about hidden treasures

 

[Ronbo]

Pretty good sluething GB,
Maybe Macfly made a math error when he calculated the cuts?
could of used a defective calculator:shrug:

 

[MACFLY]

I will absolutely make a profit from this raffle. I will also make a profit if the raffle doesnt go forward and I end up deciding to sell it. Either way I will likely make between 200 and 225 dollars. The difference is that with the raffle money gets donated to 2 good causes and someone gets a nice classic bamboo rod and custom reel they would ordinarily not be able to buy.

I stated in an earlier post that if you had any reservations on whether to participate or not in the raffle to contact me and I will try to address any issues you might have. If you feel you were misled up front please go ahead and un-thank my original post. I will have no hard feelings one way or the other. Hopefully you all have full disclosure now.

 

[dcabarle]

Ahhhh the drama....

I think we have around 3400 registered members on this site. I believe the site has been online since 2002. If I had a nickel for each user who donated to this site, well... I'd have about a buck fifty. If I had a penny for every person who said they were going to donate but then never heard from them again regarding said donation, I'd probably have 30.00!

Between the upgrades and time spent, I'd have to say I've put tens of thousands into this site and that's no exaggeration. This money was spent so a bunch of people can get together and talk about the same shit over and over again! That of course means that I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed. But, this site is a hobby for me. If you've noticed, I don't even fish! This site is fun for me so I continue to maintain and pay for it.

Macfly has been quite generous with this site. No, he doesn't have a shiny gold star next to his name, nor do the handful of others who've donated over the years but I'm pretty sure I can rattle off all of the names of the people who have contributed here.

Why attack a guy that has been so generous with this place in the past and is now offering to contribute even more of his money not only to the site but to a great cause? Does it matter what he paid for the rod? If that were the case, I think you would have a problem with any business. Business's purchase things at wholesale and sell at retail. Who in the business world purchases something and sells it for what he paid for it? Not much of a business, is it.

You can keep attacking Macfly but keep in mind that he's donated quite a bit to this site over the years.

Hey... I'm all for the drama but only if it makes sense.

 

[Trouser Trout]

an example that no good deed goes unpunsihed. if there is a raffle i am still in.

 

[MACFLY]

an example that no good deed goes unpunsihed. if there is a raffle i am still in.

Raffle is still on TT. You are officially confirmed. Hopefully we can get enough folks to join.

 

[golden beetle]

Ho hum.

Nobody sees the irony here?

 

[dcabarle]

Ho hum.

Nobody sees the irony here?

No... but maybe you can explain?

Edit 12:12pm: By the way, I'm not asking or telling you not to say what you feel. I'm just offering a little food for thought. Feel free to express yourself. Just don't post any pictures of those expressions.

 

[golden beetle]

No... but maybe you can explain?

Edit 12:12pm: By the way, I'm not asking or telling you not to say what you feel. I'm just offering a little food for thought. Feel free to express yourself. Just don't post any pictures of those expressions.

Dennis, don't you think it's kind of weird that all the people purchasing raffle tickets are giving 50 percent to charity, and that the only guy not giving to charity is the organizer of the raffle, who intends to turn a profit?

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an example that no good deed goes unpunsihed. if there is a raffle i am still in.

Come on tt, you think this is ok?

 

[MACFLY]

Dennis, don't you think it's kind of weird that all the people purchasing raffle tickets are giving 50 percent to charity, and that the only guy not giving to charity is the organizer of the raffle, who intends to turn a profit?

Just so I am clear on what your concern is. Your only issue is that i will profit from this transaction and that I am contributing nothing to these charities. So if that profit motive is removed and I am contributing to these charitiesyou would be happy to participate and contribute 40 bucks to help out this site and Project Healing waters. Is this correct?

 

[golden beetle]

Just so I am clear on what your concern is. Your only issue is that i will profit from this transaction and that I am contributing nothing to these charities. So if that profit motive is removed and I am contributing to these charitiesyou would be happy to participate and contribute 40 bucks to help out this site and Project Healing waters. Is this correct?

I would consider participating under those circumstances.

 

[MACFLY]

You would consider it. What does that mean. You are either in or you are out. I mean no one twisted your arm to begin with. The choice is yours but you need to decide one way or the other. So which is it. In or out

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Im not trying to rush you but is this really a difficult decision. Are you consulting your accountant or something?

Its 40 bucks for a good cause. Im sure your buddy will front you the money anyway.

 

[dcabarle]

Dennis, don't you think it's kind of weird that all the people purchasing raffle tickets are giving 50 percent to charity

Not at all... I think that if people have a few extra bux and can make a donation than let them make it. The chance at winning the rod is a bonus. They're being told up front where the money is going which leaves no question as to where the money is going. It's a personal choice. You either want to make the donation or you don't. Of course the other option is to critisize a guy for wanting to get some charity donations together for the holidays.

, and that the only guy not giving to charity is the organizer of the raffle, who intends to turn a profit?

Let's be real here. How do you know he doesn't donate other times through-out the year? I thought it was generous of him to offer to raise the price to get people interested in donating. He could have just said, $10 bux each.

 

[Trouser Trout]

Dennis, don't you think it's kind of weird that all the people purchasing raffle tickets are giving 50 percent to charity, and that the only guy not giving to charity is the organizer of the raffle, who intends to turn a profit?

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Come on tt, you think this is ok?

GB you are way out of line on this one..... the groan to me is inappropriate...if this raffle has the blessing of the owner of the site that is all that is needed....you either choose to participate or not..... no one is being hoodwinked...the only one who possibly could be is dcabarle and as i said, it has his blessing..... your bitching at this point is small and childish..... now grow up...kick in $20..and knock it off...

 

[MACFLY]

GB you are way out of line on this one..... the groan to me is inappropriate...if this raffle has the blessing of the owner of the site that is all that is needed....you either choose to participate or not..... no one is being hoodwinked...the only one who possibly could be is dcabarle and as i said, it has his blessing..... your bitching at this point is small and childish..... now grow up...kick in $20..and knock it off...

I didnt even realized he groaned at me..(How Rude...However he then replied that he would consider joining based on proposition to remove the profit issue...whatever "consider" means. still waiting on the answer to that one.

 

[golden beetle]

GB you are way out of line on this one..... the groan to me is inappropriate...if this raffle has the blessing of the owner of the site that is all that is needed....you either choose to participate or not..... no one is being hoodwinked...the only one who possibly could be is dcabarle and as i said, it has his blessing..... your bitching at this point is small and childish..... now grow up...kick in
$20..and knock it off...

Forget it. I want nothing to do with this either way, for profit or not.

Down with mayfly the profiteer and his henchman, trouser trout, and his beneficiary, dcarble.

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I think macfly's motives are pure here, I also understand the skepticism, if it results in some money being raised for a couple worthy causes that is a good thing. Understanding the skepticism, my hopes are that macfly wouldn't be trying to personaly profit from a fund raiser. That being said my cheap ass hasn't donated 1cent to this site yet. But, Christmas is comming........

Tt, explain what you meant by this. I'm confused.

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Proceeds will be split as follows. 25% will go to Dennis Cabarle to help
him maintain the site. 25% will go to Project healing waters. 50% will go to me for the cost of the rod and reel. I
am gauging interest at this point. So if you would be interested in the raffle just thank this post. 20 bucks wins you a
great bamboo rod and reel and you can contribute to 2 great causes. If not enough Interest by end of the weekend the raffle will not go forward. If there is enough interest I will post instructions on how to enter. Peace out

Macfly originally stated that proceeds were to cover the cost of the rod n reel. Whhat gives now with the profiteering?

 

[Trout Fever]

lol beetle you need to save your money for diapers now buddy

 

[AKSkim]

Hey listen, anyone who buys ANY FLY FISHING ROD at an estate sale is not paying even 50% of the value of that rod.

So I figure the so called $450 cost is way out of line for that hunk of Chinese weed.

Closer to $150 to $200 tops for what a drunken sailor would pay for it on shore leave.

Oh yeah... let us nt forget the description of the TIPS... "SLIGHT FISHING SET ON THE TIPS."

For you to better understand this Mumbo-Jumbo let me put it this way.

That slight fishing set of that rod if it was measured by an NHL ref.. you would be sitting in the sin bin for 2 minutes for using an illegal curved stick.

Most likely the description should have been TIPS HAVE THAT AUSTRALIAN BOOMERANG appearance.

Ok.. heres the deal MacFly

Cut me in for what DC is getting and I will go ALONG WITH THE SCAM.

$500 to charity
$500 to DC
$300 profit to you
$500 to me

Now that is a deal I can live with.

Ho-ho-ho-ho-ho jingle bells.... Jingle bells

 

[MACFLY]

Forget it. I want nothing to do with this either way, for profit or not.

Down with mayfly the profiteer and his henchman, trouser trout, and his beneficiary, dcarble.

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Tt, explain what you meant by this. I'm confused.

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Macfly originally stated that proceeds were to cover the cost of the rod n reel. Whhat gives now with the profiteering?

Golden Beetle I offered to remove any profit from the raffle. You said you would consider it. What you really meant to say was that you no longer have any reason to hijack a thread with your foolish and ill thought out comments.

So now if you truly dont want to participate in the raffle lets just remove that whole piece. Let everybody on this board contribute money to be split between the 2 causes I outlined. We can pick a neutral 3rd party to distribute the funds. All in the spirit of giving to 2 worthy causes. How about it Golden Beetle? You in or out.

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And by giving I dont mean the 2 rusty nickels in your pocket. Everyone contribute 20 bucks and lets aim for at least 100 people.

 

[Trouser Trout]

Here's what i am not getting at this point, If DC has given his blessing and support to the raffle, why do AK and GB object so vehemently?

 

[emoussa]

Here's what i am not getting at this point, If DC has given his blessing and support to the raffle, why do AK and GB object so vehemently?

I find with some people it's just not worth trying to understand.

 

[MACFLY]

You know it's really unfortunate but far too common. Now I am trying to remove any issue for Golden Beetle so that he feels comfortable donating. essentially it comes down to this. golden Beetle has no problem making comments and criticizing my intentions for A raffle he never intended to participate in anyway. First he said I had no money and then it was I am trying to profit from this raffle. No problem I proposed to remove that as an issue. No dice. Finally I offer to have this just be an opportunity to just have everyone show our appreciation to Dennis and to the military by just having us all contribute 20 bucks each and split it evenly between the 2 causes. Let's see what his reply is now.

 

[AKSkim]

You know what has always bothered me about some people on NEFF

and you can ask anyone who really knows me...

I have always told them if someone comes after me don't come and attempt to defend me in any shape or form.

You want to really know why I have always said that?

Because I am more than capable of standing up for myself.

When someone attempts to agree or foolishly attempt to defend my position..
They become the prime target of others.

Because they will never come directly at me, but to get even some way will go after the weaker of the two, and we all know it is never me they come after.

SOOooooo... sling your arrows at GB.

Because AK (moi) will sit on the sidelines and wonder why... why won't they come straight at me.... ????

After all I started it.





But we all know why they don't.


SOooooooo..... come on Lads..... put up the double saw buck and make me and my good buddy McFoole, DC and me rich...

SHOW SOME HOLIDAY SPIRIT and join in...

Give me a thumbs up under this post so I know YOU ARE WITH us in this holiday scam.

 

[golden beetle]

Ak, you are right about why mayfly targets me instead of you. He is afraid of you. But, just because mayfly perceives ne as weaker than you doesn't make it true.

He is an ass.

And, while I agree that you started it, it was me who basically proved that mayfly was doing this for profit, with a link to the smoking gun for all with the balls to read it.

I got tt to say that he wouldn't approve I'd macfly were doing this for profit. He has since changed his principle, however, exposing his bias and hypocrisy. He now states that if dc says it's ok, then it's fine.

Well of course dc says it's ok, bc he stands to receive a donation.

This whole thing stinks, and yeah, I appreciate your insight.

Let the others correct my mistakes herein, assuming there are any.

Don't mean to offend, tt, just calling this one the way I see it.





But we all know why they don't.


SOooooooo..... come on Lads..... put up the double saw buck and make me and my good buddy McFoole, DC and me rich...

SHOW SOME HOLIDAY SPIRIT and join in...

Give me a thumbs up under this post so I know YOU ARE WITH us in this holiday scam.[/QUOTE]

 

[dcabarle]

Well of course dc says it's ok, bc he stands to receive a donation.

The donation is a nice thought but whether he donates proceeds from the rod to this site or not, he's more than welcomed to sell it here. I couldn't care less where macfly got the rod, how much he paid for it, how much he plans to make from it, etc... If he chooses to donate, that's up to him, not up to me. It's his money. If you have something to sell, be my guest. If you care to donate or not, your still more than welcomed to sell it.

..........and I thank you for the jump start. We were lagging a bit.

 

[AKSkim]

..... We were lagging a bit.

Lordy..... Lordy ..... Lordy.....

Is thems skys blue mastra or it be black.....


Now a word from AK Skim himself ... personnally.

YIPPIE - YI - YO - KI - YAY......

Lord almight.. please help us here on NEFF...

There is strange forces working against you.

Show us the light.....

Help us lord.



Shoot... reminds me when I was on St. Paul Island and got caught out in a white out.

Never so scared for my own life as I was then.

I prayed that no matter what if Jesus should spare my life I would do his work.


Well, Jesus didn't save me from that white out and certain death.

It was a native Aleut by the name of Oscar who found me out there and brought me back.

So I just have to ask.... what is the true value of this auction?


No, you should also be asking yourself that if you do still have a brain.

 

[MACFLY]

I targeted you?.. I sent you a PM if you recall..you replied you wanted this in the public domain. I offered to amend the terms of the raffle if that would make you more comfortable... still no good for you. I offered to remove the raffle entirely and make this a straight up donation to project healing waters and this site. Not only do you not reply you start another thread on how Dennis can make money for his site. So what we have learned is that you are in fact too cheap to donate to 2 causes both of which give you the opportunity on a daily basis to exercise your right to speak freely albeit with not much common sense. You have to be about 4 kinds of stupid son. I see you have disappeared from the board again which must mean you have your head once again firmly implanted up Ak's arse.

As for AK its pretty simple..I just ignore him on this board because he is just like you and craves attention. Attention that he just cant get anymore which makes him sad and bitter. Perhaps this is a preview of your life if you keep it up.

But I will offer the olive branch one more time GB. Lets all get together and donate 20 bucks each. Hell Ill even match the first 100 dollars in donations. Come on now GB how can you say no to that offer.

Ak, you are right about why mayfly targets me instead of you. He is afraid of you. But, just because mayfly perceives ne as weaker than you doesn't make it true.

He is an ass.

And, while I agree that you started it, it was me who basically proved that mayfly was doing this for profit, with a link to the smoking gun for all with the balls to read it.

I got tt to say that he wouldn't approve I'd macfly were doing this for profit. He has since changed his principle, however, exposing his bias and hypocrisy. He now states that if dc says it's ok, then it's fine.

Well of course dc says it's ok, bc he stands to receive a donation.

This whole thing stinks, and yeah, I appreciate your insight.

Let the others correct my mistakes herein, assuming there are any.

Don't mean to offend, tt, just calling this one the way I see it.





But we all know why they don't.


SOooooooo..... come on Lads..... put up the double saw buck and make me and my good buddy McFoole, DC and me rich...

SHOW SOME HOLIDAY SPIRIT and join in...

Give me a thumbs up under this post so I know YOU ARE WITH us in this holiday scam.

[/QUOTE]

 

[golden beetle]

Macfly, I will give 20 dollars to project healing waters because you have made me aware of the charity.

I cannot promise, however, because I may forget to mail the 20 and instead buy a 6 pack of Sam Adams with the money.

 

[MACFLY]

Macfly, I will give 20 dollars to project healing waters because you have made me aware of the charity.

I cannot promise, however, because I may forget to mail the 20 and instead buy a 6 pack of Sam Adams with the money.

So now we know where you really stand on this whole topic. You made a lot of accusations but at the end of the day you are not even willing to cough up 20 bucks for charity. Even after I offer to put a 100 dollars.