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2016 Spring reservoir levels

Future Fanatic

Future Fanatic

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Anyone want to start the worrying game early?
I know it's just mid December, but I also know we have some members who like to sound the alarm...
 
Future Fanatic said:
Anyone want to start the worrying game early?
I know it's just mid December, but I also know we have some members who like to sound the alarm...
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Well are you going to at least put the current numbers up in big bold print so we know what to worry about..jeez
 
Future Fanatic said:
Anyone want to start the worrying game early?
I know it's just mid December, but I also know we have some members who like to sound the alarm...
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I've been keeping an eye on them and 2016 flows have crossed my mind but taking a wait and see approach for now. Is it a bad thing that people are keeping a close eye on the fishery even in the winter months indicating they care?
 
flyI4 said:
I've been keeping an eye on them and 2016 flows have crossed my mind but taking a wait and see approach for now. Is it a bad thing that people are keeping a close eye on the fishery even in the winter months indicating they care?
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FF just wanted someone to post the current levels because he can't find them himself. :)
 
We all know global warming, I mean climate change, is going to dry up the reservoir. They talked about this in Paris. Were none of you paying attention?
 
Hi,

Reservoirs will spill before April 1!!!

We who care about such things, need to keep the pressure on to get at least a thermal relief program and an end to "yo-yo" releases for the June 1st edition of the FFMP.

There will be a call for support for advancing these items on the agenda. Hope you all will join in.

Jim
 
Forget the dams and take them all down. Support wild trout in wild rivers, Stop the hypocrisy:punk:
 
Rusty Spinner said:
When you stop to think about it, that is terrifying and not at all surprising. Think of the impacts with just one big dam blown up by these maniacs. It is obviously on the minds of these terrorists.
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That would big a big task to keep secret. It would take a lot of explosives, planning and engineering skills to take down a large dam. Lets hope that they are not sophisticated enough to accomplished that. If they could, we would have big problems to address.
 
tomfly said:
That would big a big task to keep secret. It would take a lot of explosives, planning and engineering skills to take down a large dam. Lets hope that they are not sophisticated enough to accomplished that. If they could, we would have big problems to address.
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Agreed which is why we're seeing soft targets get attacked which are far easier to pull off it you are a radical. But who knows what types of bombs they can make these days and what ways they have of delivering them like small airplanes.
 
Rusty Spinner said:
Agreed which is why we're seeing soft targets get attacked which are far easier to pull off it you are a radical. But who knows what types of bombs they can make these days and what ways they have of delivering them like small airplanes.
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I agree with the soft targets. This is why I am a proponent of easing the restrictions of concealed carry. I look at this way. 99% of the soft target attacks are going to be carried out with hand held weapons. Bombings are a small %. The Suicide bomber is even less likely as you suggest a small plane would be more difficult. The explosives for a small plane would have to be light weight. Military grade explosives, I would believe to be unattainable in this country. (if they were they would be using them) If they were able to get them, they would be very expensive. Even the drug cartels would have a problem with giving Islamic terrorist access to them. The explosives would be traced back to the seller. The cartels may be brutal but they understand not to piss off their customers. The best way to curtail the attacks on soft targets is to have an armed civilian population.
 
Speaking of reservoirs, in New Jersey, why do they drain Spruce Run every winter? There must be a logical reason because every winter they drain it by a whole lot......just wondering, nothing to do with trout fishing or flows because trout don't do well in the summer down stream of the reservoir there anyway.....and the outflow isn't cold....
 
Drain is maybe not the right word for Spruce Run Res. It is a water supply reservoir that gets low over the course of the year until the spring rains replenish it (hopefully). It is part of the same water supply system as Round Valley. However, Spruce Run fills naturally from the tributaries while the water in Round Valley is pumped up from the South Branch, which costs big bucks. Therefore, the NJ Water Supply Authority uses up the Spruce Run water before they start to draw water from Round Valley. For probably the first 40 years of Round Valley it never really was drawn down much. But the drought in the early 2000's caused the Round Valley level to drop quite a bit as well.
 
JeffK said:
Drain is maybe not the right word for Spruce Run Res. It is a water supply reservoir that gets low over the course of the year until the spring rains replenish it (hopefully). It is part of the same water supply system as Round Valley. However, Spruce Run fills naturally from the tributaries while the water in Round Valley is pumped up from the South Branch, which costs big bucks. Therefore, the NJ Water Supply Authority uses up the Spruce Run water before they start to draw water from Round Valley. For probably the first 40 years of Round Valley it never really was drawn down much. But the drought in the early 2000's caused the Round Valley level to drop quite a bit as well.
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Some of it goes downstream, because the level of the SBR down from the spillway was a bit higher than the rest of the river, as per comments heard at Shannon's from silly fishermen who thought the SBR was high (during the drought) but they were fishing downstream from Clinton by Fox's lumber...I wouldn't drink that "water"
 
Future Fanatic said:
Currently 3% over normal...

But you can still nearly see the ground up here...

Anybody want to guess about spillage?

For Mac:
Current Reservoir Levels
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Cannonsville will spill - so will Pepacton.

Eventhough the Jonas missed the Catskills and watershed (see snowcover map -- Sullivan and Delaware Counties received less than an inch) we have 85%+ currently at Cannonsville and 2 to 3 inches of rain between now and April (three months) would bring it up to 100%+ (see NYC DEP map) even without snowpack.

Tight lines,
TR

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Future Fanatic said:
Look at THAT!
You and Jim DO AGREE about something...
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Yep. It's amazing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_(conspiracy_theory)

By the way, even with NYC dumping 1,500cfs from Cannonsville from early July to early August 2015, they're still ahead of the game with regards to total capacity levels.

Last winter, Cannonsville was at 55% in early April. We're at 85% right now.

Rush and Murphy of DEP still want their reservoirs at 100% by June 1st - so you'll get spill this spring.

It's called a "topwater" fishery.

Tight lines,
TR
 
TR said:
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Cannonsville will spill - so will Pepacton.

we have 85%+ currently at Cannonsville and 2 to 3 inches of rain between now and April (three months) would bring it up to 100%+ (see NYC DEP map) even without snowpack.

Tight lines,
TR
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Is that assuming NYC folks use NOTHING between now and April?
 
Future Fanatic said:
Is that assuming NYC folks use NOTHING between now and April?
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Good morning.

What made you jump to that conclusion?

Please refer to NYC DEP charts with totals and releases from yesterday.

Croton and Rondout reservoirs are now over 95%.

Delaware watershed reservoirs are over 80+%.012616_A.jpg

Tight lines.
TR
 
TR said:
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Good morning.

What made you jump to that conclusion?

Please refer to NYC DEP charts with totals and releases from yesterday.

Croton and Rondout reservoirs are now over 95%.

Delaware watershed reservoirs are over 80+%.View attachment 12202

Tight lines.
TR
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That wasn't a conclusion, that was a question......a serious one at that. :)
 
Matt Grobert said:
That wasn't a conclusion, that was a question......a serious one at that. :)
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Good morning Matt.

To date, NYC currently has more than their historical total volume in their reservoirs for mid January eventhough there is very little snowpack up here.

The winter releases have continued.

Their charts were posted.

Take a look. Data at:

Current Reservoir Levels

I don't think that NYC has budged from their position of having Cannonsville and Pepacton full by June 1 of each year.

However, this year is far different than 2015 where Cannonsville was down to 55% by early April which then went to 85% in a matter of weeks after last years thaw from a severe winter with a lot of ice on the rivers and reservoirs.

As I said, barring a winter / early spring, drought in the Catskills for the next ten weeks - snow and / or rain, the reservoirs will likely spill this spring since they are over 80% right now.

As far as having enough water to satisfy their needs, they couldn't have been happier with the snow that they received in Westchester / Putnam this past week.

Tight lines,
TR
 
TR said:
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Cannonsville will spill - so will Pepacton.

Eventhough the Jonas missed the Catskills and watershed (see snowcover map -- Sullivan and Delaware Counties received less than an inch) we have 85%+ currently at Cannonsville and 2 to 3 inches of rain between now and April (three months) would bring it up to 100%+ (see NYC DEP map) even without snowpack.

Tight lines,
TR
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Well, with not 2-3 inches of rain, but over 4 and a half inches between Feb. and Mar. the reservoirs are SURE to spill. AND given these warm temperatures predicted for the next few weeks to melt all the accumulated snow...
Wait a sec... all that snow fell as rain throughout the winter and was so wonderful in putting the reservoirs in such great shape...

I guess they should be spilling yesterday...


There are a few weeks left before April 1; I suppose anything could happen...
I'm betting the reservoirs go DOWN before they go up...
 
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