Johnny Utah
You're no daisy
Today i fished the Pequest tca and some jerko irritated the shit out me with his stream etiquette . Check it Utah's Fly Corner: Helping out and why i dont fish TCA
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Why Tca sucks!
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Twism
Troop Leader
I fixed that for you, buddy. Now my headache is gone
JU,
I like you a lot and you are usually correct, but you were at the Pequest There are a whole set of different rules for that place. I am sure this has happened to all of us, but when the water is high like this it limits where we can fish. So areas like the Pequest can even get worse! Why weren't you beating up on the wild fish today? I am sure that the smaller streams were good with the rain.
I like you a lot and you are usually correct, but you were at the Pequest
There are a whole set of different rules for that place. I am sure this has happened to all of us, but when the water is high like this it limits where we can fish. So areas like the Pequest can even get worse! Why weren't you beating up on the wild fish today? I am sure that the smaller streams were good with the rain.
Mad_Man_Steve
New member
JU,
I like you a lot and you are usually correct, but you were at the Pequest
Well the only reason JU fished the TCA was b/c I was twisted his arm and conned him into fishing it today.
And after seeing what this guy did today, I can now relate why other states like NY don't like us guys from NJ fishing their waters.
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Trout Nazi
And...Boom goes the dynamite.
The TCA is its own little universe, with different laws. Social protocol is out the window and you can act like a complete douche nozzle, yippyyyyy!!!! Of course these laws also work the other way around, and you can also get your ass handed to you for behaving as such. Free for all.
Johnny Utah
You're no daisy
You got that right Joe.
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Mad man covered this. But you should know he was one of your cronies, using your techniques that you teach. I blame you. hahaha Nah he had a strike indicator on that was bigger than a golf ball. I know what is there, and i was just reminded.
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Fly fishing anarchy in TCA!
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JU,
I like you a lot and you are usually correct, but you were at the Pequest
Mad man covered this. But you should know he was one of your cronies, using your techniques that you teach. I blame you. hahaha Nah he had a strike indicator on that was bigger than a golf ball. I know what is there, and i was just reminded.
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Fly fishing anarchy in TCA!
Trout Nazi
And...Boom goes the dynamite.
I understand the need to tangle with a big fish every now and then. As long as you go and don't behave like a dick, no harm no foul. Also keep it in perspective. That place is like those game ranches in Texas. Just because you shot a 14 point atypical buck at the feeder, it doesn't make you a good hunter.
Drossi
If they can't take joke .....'em
TCA = Tool Circus Area...
I love them, helps me easily identify where to avoid the asshole clowns. They are especially pleasurable to fish during the preseason closure of the general regs water. I really love seeing the reports from the "sports" fishing the TCA's for the fresh stockers. I guess everyone's gotta prove their manhood someway.
I love them, helps me easily identify where to avoid the asshole clowns. They are especially pleasurable to fish during the preseason closure of the general regs water. I really love seeing the reports from the "sports" fishing the TCA's for the fresh stockers. I guess everyone's gotta prove their manhood someway.
TCAs concentrate some of the fly anglers? I think they concentrate 95% of fly anglers doing a great service for many of us. The native brookie streams near the Pequest TCA, some limestoners that harbor large specimens of wild brookies, are almost never fished (they are hard to fish though).
I live 15 minutes away from the Pequest and have been fishing that area for more than 20 years. It's fun, but the things you see - particularly people wading through the fish - can drive you nuts. The regulars these days are a decent crowd, but years back the regulars acted as if they owned the place. That was tough and many times when I caught a fish they would check my fly to make sure I wasn't using bait. Sure did pi** me off. Then there are the characters from good old Ralph to Ted P. The popular holes change all the time too. From the bridge to the raceway is a no-brainer and has always been popular. However, the pool below the RR bridge, Wood's Hole, and Potter's Rock have had years where you need to get there at dawn and take a number and years where nobody fishes. The big rainbows are concentrated more in very cold or very hot weather in the hatchery water plume. However, they are all over - even below the TCA. Even in the popular areas there are some lies that just don't get fished and you can haul them in in middle of a crowd.
The Pequest TCA sure is a circus, but who doesn't like the circus now and again? However, that doesn't apply to people who are scared of clowns, because the clowns are out in force.
And how is that different from the LFZ at the Salmon R?
I live 15 minutes away from the Pequest and have been fishing that area for more than 20 years. It's fun, but the things you see - particularly people wading through the fish - can drive you nuts. The regulars these days are a decent crowd, but years back the regulars acted as if they owned the place. That was tough and many times when I caught a fish they would check my fly to make sure I wasn't using bait. Sure did pi** me off. Then there are the characters from good old Ralph to Ted P. The popular holes change all the time too. From the bridge to the raceway is a no-brainer and has always been popular. However, the pool below the RR bridge, Wood's Hole, and Potter's Rock have had years where you need to get there at dawn and take a number and years where nobody fishes. The big rainbows are concentrated more in very cold or very hot weather in the hatchery water plume. However, they are all over - even below the TCA. Even in the popular areas there are some lies that just don't get fished and you can haul them in in middle of a crowd.
The Pequest TCA sure is a circus, but who doesn't like the circus now and again? However, that doesn't apply to people who are scared of clowns, because the clowns are out in force.
And how is that different from the LFZ at the Salmon R?
goyanks819
New member
I have actually hit people when they do that to me. Got into a fight in nc a few times
NJpatbee
Can be found on NJ/NY/PA waters!
The type of behavior you had to experience happens in spite of the management classification of the stream. Some people are just ignorant if fishing etiquette. Have you ever caught a couple of trout at Saxton Falls during the Spring stocking season? You have to take cover from the number of casts that are aimed right where you are fishing!
As far as the TCA concept, I am not a big fan of the seasonal TCA but it does provide a spot to fish for some people where they know there will be fish (and other anglers!). The Year Round TCA concept has proven to be very successful for the angler and the quality of the trout population. The KLG is a prime example with reliable reports and electrofishing results showing a major increase in wild and holdover trout. Crowded yes, but some excellent fishing to be had.
Fishing the TCA's is optional, and we can make our own choice. I fish the Musconetcong several times each season and have never fished the TCA section because of the crowds and the fact that the best water on the Musky is somewhere downstream. I also spend more than 1/2 time chasing wild trout which is usually a more solitary experience. Having choices is a good thing.
As far as the TCA concept, I am not a big fan of the seasonal TCA but it does provide a spot to fish for some people where they know there will be fish (and other anglers!). The Year Round TCA concept has proven to be very successful for the angler and the quality of the trout population. The KLG is a prime example with reliable reports and electrofishing results showing a major increase in wild and holdover trout. Crowded yes, but some excellent fishing to be had.
Fishing the TCA's is optional, and we can make our own choice. I fish the Musconetcong several times each season and have never fished the TCA section because of the crowds and the fact that the best water on the Musky is somewhere downstream. I also spend more than 1/2 time chasing wild trout which is usually a more solitary experience. Having choices is a good thing.
BrownChickenBrownTrout
New member
When I first started I didn't know river etiquette exactly, but I knew it didn't seem right to crowd someones water. I was fishing my local put and take when a meat hunter comes and crowds my lie. Literally casting at my feet and over my line. So I tell him, the other pool is open and fresh. Nope he continues doing it. So I stood up threw a sizable rock in the pool and made it useless. At least I saved a few fish from freezer burn!
mbwmn
“Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?”
you city guys need to learn about yelling "FISH ON, FISH ON!" before running up the center of the river with your rod tip held high catching trees, or you'll piss off the locals...
15.00001" rainbows have a tendency to striaghten out all 3 hooks on the Mepps Aglia, can't be too careful.
15.00001" rainbows have a tendency to striaghten out all 3 hooks on the Mepps Aglia, can't be too careful.
tomfly
The only thing left should be foot prints.
My problem with the TCAs especially the “Artificials only regulation”. What a suck wad rule that is.. I would rather see a guy using bait with a single hook then a duchbag casting his lure filled with treble hooks and then releasing a trout that has little chance of recovering from its injuries. Treble hooks and catch and release that is dumbest regulation ever written, Who is the idiot that came up with that. I use to love the no-kill on the Musky. Simple rules flies only and no barbs. That was a true TCA.
danme
Cast Drys over them Enough They Will Rise
TCA's are supposed to be NJ's way of conservation??? Yae advertise 16" plus fish and thats the end of it. Every Joe Gibrone and Hoboken Hunter (No Offense) is going there and they will TAKE EVERY FISH THEY CAN CREEL OR COOLER and say they are in their right. The Law is to VAGUE and it isn't TROUT CONSERVATION AREA'S AT ALL -- They are should be renamed CCA Clown Conservation Area because every CLOWN GOES THERE and ruins it for the real Trout Fishing Conservationist who just wants to catch and release fish.
The Eagles Said it best --- "CALL SOMEPLACE PARADISE -- KISS IT GOODBYE"
The Eagles Said it best --- "CALL SOMEPLACE PARADISE -- KISS IT GOODBYE"
mbwmn
“Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?”
it is unfortunate there are so many studies that show little change in mortality between trebles and singles...I share your concern for the guy trying to remove all three of the treble hooks on his Rapala from the mouth, eye, and head of a 14.9" resident brookie wih his rusty pliers.
Worse though, would be the same guy with the same rusty pliers trying to retrive his snelled sz10 EagleClaw from the gullet of the same 14.9" resident brookie after it grabbed the nightcrawler and swam until the rod got pulled out of the Y twig stuck in the muddy bank.
A single, barbless hook (perhaps w/ multiple flies) should be pushed, but it would be impossible to enforce.
Regarding flies only...that would never happen. Fly fisherman are simply too small a segment of the license purchases to keep TCA's fly only...and catch & release is an even smaller segment.
The best hope would be expanding the TCA's to spead fish and fisherman out. It would seem that the only group supporting this is TU, afaik...and there are damn few of us to actively pursue that.
Unfortunate.
Pete
Trout Hunter
I can't help but wonder if in these "studys", most of the trebles were in-line spinners or spoons with only one treble. I imagine the results would be a lot different if plugs/lures with multiple trebles were a bigger factor.
I recall fishing the <acronym title="New York">NY</acronym> special regs section of the Battenkill in the '70s and '80s. The regs called for single hook artificials. No one seemed to have a problem with that..... It was only four miles (or so), with plenty of river left for the baiters, and people too lazy to replace a treble with a single hook.
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I was fishing the pequest below the bridge couple of hundred yards and as I got to the spot one gentleman was wading through the river, he went right through the spot I wanted to fish. As he was passing I asked him, anything? He replied and said nope! So he passed me going down the river and I dropped my egg fly right above him and first cast, stockie rainbow (no fight at all like most of them), so I yell at him, look I got one you just passed by them. How do you think he felt?
If you go below the bridge where the big rock has been blocked by a tree and all the way below you will find plenty of fish and they tend to fight better. My opinion. I never see anyone fishing those spots. Everyone clutters the bridge area.
If you go below the bridge where the big rock has been blocked by a tree and all the way below you will find plenty of fish and they tend to fight better. My opinion. I never see anyone fishing those spots. Everyone clutters the bridge area.
mbwmn
“Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?”
This study used a Mepps#1 (single treble) on trout. http://wiatri.net/ecoatlas/ReportFiles/411MortalityWithSpinners.pdf
Effect of Hook Type on Mortality, Trauma, and Capture
Efficiency of Wild Stream Trout Caught by
Angling with Spinners
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Efficiency of Wild Stream Trout Caught by
Angling with Spinners
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1401 Tower Avenue, Superior, Wisconsin 54880, USA
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[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]University of Wisconsin—Madison, School of Veterinary Medicine,
Department of Pathobiological Sciences, 2015 Linden Drive West,
Madison, Wisconsin 53706, USA
[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Abstract. —
[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]This study assessed short-term (48-h) hooking mortality, eye damage, jaw injury, and capture efficiency of three species of wild stream trout caught on size-1 Mepps spinners having barbed or barbless treble or single hooks. The mortality of rainbow trout [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Oncorhynchus mykiss, [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]brown trout [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Salmo trutta, [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]and brook trout [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Salvelinus fontinalis [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]was low (<4%). Hook types did not differ significantly in causing mortality or severe eye damage of rainbow trout or brown trout. Severe eye damage was evident on about 10% of the trout landed (range = 2% to 13%, depending on species). Jaw injuries were found on about 6% of the catch. Barbed hooks hooked and held more trout than barbless hooks and treble hooks hooked and held more trout than single hooks. Barbless single hooks were quicker to remove than the other hook types, but the difference was insufficient to reduce mortality. Our results do not indicate a biological advantage with the use of single- or barbless-hook spinners when caught wild stream trout will be released. [/FONT][/FONT]
Johnny Utah
You're no daisy
After reading the last post, It made me think that the euro hooks ie barbless, larger gaps, and larger than needed hook sizes being used, would cause more damage than a standard nymph or dry hook with a barb.
Because the barbless hook can penetrate deeper, much easier, I would imagine in the long run of a study you would find more damage done with it. By the means of eye and jaw injury. Ah who knows, just a thought.
Because the barbless hook can penetrate deeper, much easier, I would imagine in the long run of a study you would find more damage done with it. By the means of eye and jaw injury. Ah who knows, just a thought.
mbwmn
“Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?”
Found in the abstract above (and the full study linked): "Barbless single hooks were quicker to remove than the other hook types, but the difference was insufficient to reduce mortality. Our results do not indicate a biological advantage with the use of single- or barbless-hook spinners when caught wild stream trout will be released."
Of course if you look hard enough you can find contrasting studies....
This study finds bait has a very high mortality rate: Ozark Fly Flinger Blog » Blog Archive » AGFC Review of Hooking Mortality Studies
"...compared hooking mortality for cutthroat trout in Yellowstone Lake caught on single hook lures, single barbless hook lures, single treble hook lures, and single barbless treble hook lures, single hook baited with a worm. In summary, hooking mortality for all lures combined was 4%. Hooking mortality for bait-caught trout was 48%, overall. However, for bait caught trout, they evaluated hooking mortality for trout that swallowed the hook separately from trout that did not swallow the hook, which resulted in drastically different results. Hooking mortality was 8% for trout that did not swallow the hook, but was 73% for trout that did swallow the hook. Overall, 55% of the trout caught on bait, swallowed the hook. Taylor and White (1992) conducted a statistical analysis of results from 18 trout hooking mortality studies and generated an overall summary of those studies. They found that hooking mortality overall was 4% for artificial single and treble hook lures combined, compared to 31% hooking mortality associated with bait-caught trout. Pauley and Thomas (1993) studied cutthroat trout hooking mortality comparing single hook lures, single treble hook lures, and bait (worms). They found a much higher mortality rate for artificial lures than any other study at 20% for single hook lures and treble hook lures combined. However, bait-caught trout hooking mortality (49%) was more than double that of artificial lures. Schill (1996) measured hooking mortality for rainbow trout caught on worms in both a hatchery and a trout stream. He found the lowest overall hooking mortality (16%) associated with bait fishing for trout, of the studies reviewed herein. Like Hunsaker and Marnell (1970), Schill found very low mortality associated with trout that were not deep-hooked at only 2% in the hatchery study. However, 63% of the trout studied were deep hooked. Of those deep hooked, mortality was 74% for trout released after the hook was removed and 47% for trout released by cutting the line. This represents a 36% reduction in hooking mortality simply by cutting the line. These studies indicate that the high post-release mortality associated with bait is directly related to the higher incidence of deep-hooking with bait. Because bait is fished passively (“slack line”), the fish has a greater chance of being hooked in the gut or other vital organ. In contrast, both artificial lures and flies, which are fished actively, have a higher incidence of hooking fish in the jaw or other non-lethal location resulting in a much lower post-release mortality."
Of course if you look hard enough you can find contrasting studies....
This study finds bait has a very high mortality rate: Ozark Fly Flinger Blog » Blog Archive » AGFC Review of Hooking Mortality Studies
"...compared hooking mortality for cutthroat trout in Yellowstone Lake caught on single hook lures, single barbless hook lures, single treble hook lures, and single barbless treble hook lures, single hook baited with a worm. In summary, hooking mortality for all lures combined was 4%. Hooking mortality for bait-caught trout was 48%, overall. However, for bait caught trout, they evaluated hooking mortality for trout that swallowed the hook separately from trout that did not swallow the hook, which resulted in drastically different results. Hooking mortality was 8% for trout that did not swallow the hook, but was 73% for trout that did swallow the hook. Overall, 55% of the trout caught on bait, swallowed the hook. Taylor and White (1992) conducted a statistical analysis of results from 18 trout hooking mortality studies and generated an overall summary of those studies. They found that hooking mortality overall was 4% for artificial single and treble hook lures combined, compared to 31% hooking mortality associated with bait-caught trout. Pauley and Thomas (1993) studied cutthroat trout hooking mortality comparing single hook lures, single treble hook lures, and bait (worms). They found a much higher mortality rate for artificial lures than any other study at 20% for single hook lures and treble hook lures combined. However, bait-caught trout hooking mortality (49%) was more than double that of artificial lures. Schill (1996) measured hooking mortality for rainbow trout caught on worms in both a hatchery and a trout stream. He found the lowest overall hooking mortality (16%) associated with bait fishing for trout, of the studies reviewed herein. Like Hunsaker and Marnell (1970), Schill found very low mortality associated with trout that were not deep-hooked at only 2% in the hatchery study. However, 63% of the trout studied were deep hooked. Of those deep hooked, mortality was 74% for trout released after the hook was removed and 47% for trout released by cutting the line. This represents a 36% reduction in hooking mortality simply by cutting the line. These studies indicate that the high post-release mortality associated with bait is directly related to the higher incidence of deep-hooking with bait. Because bait is fished passively (“slack line”), the fish has a greater chance of being hooked in the gut or other vital organ. In contrast, both artificial lures and flies, which are fished actively, have a higher incidence of hooking fish in the jaw or other non-lethal location resulting in a much lower post-release mortality."
headshake908
New member
Ha wow, I come searching for pequest conditions and what do I see, a pic of me! lol. I was about one week into the sport at the time of this photo, my heart felt apologies for standing across this run and casting too close for your comfort :/....I have been a regular at the pequest tca for almost 4 months now and i can assure all of you that for the most part it is regularly fished by a relatively close knit group of older guys..everyone has been extremely welcoming, helpful, and courteous on the water. There is not a single bad thing to say about 99% of the regulars who flock there on the daily. Of course we periodically get some annoying russian/czech guys who harvest a fish here and there, but in no way is the pequest tca a treble hook flinging warzone of a$$holes with no etiquette. People flock to the pequest tca for good fishing and easy acccessibility, there are tons of great pools, runs, and pockets that provide a great experience for all ages and skill levels- and lets not forget about the quality of BIG bows that are stacked in this river and willing to eat. You can't beat it. (disclaimer: i havent fished during stocking season, but i will probably stay away)
And mr. utah, we had major rain on thanksgiving and the river was pretty high and muddy that week...as you know, the crease between the spillway outflow and main run (which i am standing on the opposite side of in your picture) is one of, if not, the only sensibile place to drift during bad conditions- especically for the newb that i was at the time. Maybe instead of crying to yourself on the bank and snapping a secret james bond photo for your unfrequented piece of shit website you call a "blog", you could have offered some advice to a guy like me and recommended me a better place to fish/cast as to not ruin your day.. I am always open to suggestions and criticism from seasoned fishermen (assuming you actually know what youre doing). Lol, and if you don't like "standing in trout", then get the fuck out of the spillway. The only people who fish standing in that spillway are old timers anyway who can't wade the river. Instead of sitting there and crying like a woman, you might as well walk up to the top of the spill way and fish in the cement chute- which by the looks of where you're standing..you're pretty damn close. Up there, you won't have a problem with people drifting in your area, and you'll be sure to hook into some "hogs"- which by the way that rainbow your flaunting is nothing special and ANYONE can catch 5-10 of those size at the pequest with his/her eyes closed.
Wipe the sand out of your V you pretentious prick. it's guys like you who give fly guys such a bad rep.
see yall on the pequest..tightlines :thumb::thumb:
headshake908
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wow, really? i came to this site to search for pequest conditions and i see a pic of myself. your sneaky james bond photo is of me, about one week after i picked up a fly rod for the first time. sorry for crowding you mate. for what its worth, we had heavy rain on thanksgiving and the river was high and muddy that week..that crease between the main run and spillway outflow harbors an abundance of fish and somewhat clear water during crappy conditions..making it a logical place to try for the newb that i was at the time. yesterday i stood in that same spot and the water was up to my ankles.
more importantly, the pequest tca is not a free for all treble slinging warzone full of @$$holes like you make it seem. Ive been a regular there for the last 4 months and 99% of the guys who fish there are courteous, knowledgable, friendly, and willing to help us young guys out. theres an occasional infiltration of russian and czech dudes who harvest a fish or two but overall the pequest tca offers a great atmosphere and good time for fisherman old, young, experienced, and new to the craft- lets not forget the quality and abundance of BIG fish that are always hungry and easy to catch. There's a reason people flock to this stretch of river..
(disclaimer: i haven't fished it during spring stocking season, but from what i hear i will probably stay away)
maybe the pequest was a warzone back in the day, but its been a great experience frequenting this spot for the last 4 months. I went from knowing nothing to becoming a pretty seasoned fly fisherman and i woulnd't be where i am without the welcoming help of the guys who fish there regularly. (it also helps living a mile away)
and mr utah, instead of taking weird pedo pics so you could type up a post on that lousy blog of yours, you could have offered me some advice or nicely asked me to back off, im always open to constructive criticism from seasoned fishermen (Assuming you actually know what youre doing). and my 'bigger than a golfball' indicator was nothing more than the popular orvis ones that literally 99% of fly guys have used before lol. for what its worth, if you don't like standing in trout, get the heck out of the spillway. the only people who fish there are the old timers who can't wade the river. better yet, from the looks of where you are standing, you might as well walk up to the top of the spillway and snag the "hogs" from the cement chute. you need to relax buddy..get the sand out of your v, it is pretentenious pricks like yourself that give FF a bad name :down:
tight lines fellas, see u out there.
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tomfly
The only thing left should be foot prints.
Wait until after opening day. And let see you agree with this BS you just posted. You have much to learn grass hopper.
headshake908
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ive heard, but my experience is based on this past fall and winter. and its been great. i mean i am 23 years old and look foward to hanging out with a bunch of old dudes on my days off lol. i am also very bitter this morning having to be in my office all day unable to get outisde and enjoy this weather!
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Trout Nazi
And...Boom goes the dynamite.
The Pequest by the hatchery is a shit show, especially after opening day. I've seen people almost come to blows the 2 times I fished there (don't plan on going back). I would love to see you offer someone there some "constructive criticism", that would be fun to watch.
Now that you know how to fish, there are other places you know.
Now that you know how to fish, there are other places you know.
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