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Powell fly rods

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If it will take a fly, I'll throw one to it!
Has anyone ever fished with the edge or tiboron II series rods? I've read good reviews, but haven't tried them out. Anyone hear anything about the new Tiboron XL series Powell is putting out? From what I hear its replacing both the edge and tiboron II. As always your thoughts are appreciated.

Thanks.
 
Powell seems to have become a pretty insignificant rod company, which is too bad considering their legacy with bamboo. At last I heard, they lost all their retail distribution in the USA except for the discount magazine Sierra Trading Post. I just looked on their website and they have some stores for their bass rods, but apparently not their trout rods. They still make bamboo with a 4-6 month wait.

I would not purchase a trout rod from them at this time. They seem to be in trouble and who knows if they'll be around much longer to live up to their waranty.

In my humble opinion, of course.
 
THey actually intentionally did away with retailers and rely on faithful customers buying directly from them so they can maintain their standards at a little more reasonable price... 500-600 bucks instead of 6-8... or at least that's the company line. The tiboron II still gets great reviews.
 
You eastern guys are killing me!!! Press Powell, son of Walton Powell and grandson of EC Powell was 'swindled' (my opinion) out of their family name and business by Charles Schwab in 1996. Basically, the Powells were forced out and are no longer allowed to manufacture fly rods and are not involved with the current Schwab operation. All so-called 'Powell' fly rods are now imported from China, including their high-end rods. Why would anybody spend $500 on a rod imported from China which probably cost $40 to import??? Anybody who knowingly purchases a Schwab-era rod from Powell should be ashamed of themselves! But maybe I'm being too harsh.http://www.flyfishingconnection.com/articles/current/90/Spare+The+Rod/

In any event, I'm sure poor EC and Walton are turning over in their graves right now!
 
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I absolutely love the Powell Tiboron Rods! Even if they are made in China, <ST1:p</ST1:pthey are a fantastic rod and worth the $299 at Sierra Trading Post. I have over 60 fly rods from Orvis, Hardy, Sage, Diamondback, Austin, JP Ross, Powell, Fenwick, Redington, etc. If I had to give up all of my fly rods except 1 each starting with a 4wt and going up to 10wt I would keep the Powell Tiboron rods and get rid of the rest (fortunately I don’t have to do that). They are extremely light, and forgiving in casting. I tend to pull the trigger a little fast and they match my casting style.

I read the article on how Charles Schwab obtained the Powell rod company and it is truly unfortunate. If I had read the article before I purchased the Tiborons I would have likely not purchased them. Fortunately I did not read the article until after I purchased them and I am happy I own a set. I don’t know who Charles Schwab has working for them on the Powell line but they are doing a fantastic job on the Tiborons.
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Just a note, Jim Gunderson won the best of the west casting competition last March (2006) using a Powell Edge fly rod.
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Hi,

I'm a western fly fisher (Washington State) who ran across this forum while trying to find some information on a Tiboron rod. Darned little info out there. There seems to be a few folks on this board who like throwing Powell rods.

I have Tiboron (without the II) 6wt. That thing'll throw a streamer a mile. Does anyone know when Powell went from the Tiboron to the Tiboron II? Has anyone ever used both the T and the TII? If so, how do they compare? Have all Tiborons always been made in China, or were some of them manufactured in California?

My rod has no indication about where it was made. I imagine when the Powell family was making the rods it never crossed anyone's mind that a Powell rod would be made anywhere but in the US, so it didn't occur to them to put a manufacturing country on the product.

Thanks,
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The tiboron II and edge series came out a few years ago. Tiboron II was widely touted as best rod from Powell in a long time. Someone won a major fly casting competition with the edge (extra-fast action). For 2007, Powell has done away with both series and now has the tiboron xl. Haven't put that through its paces. Like the II and the edge, but was dissuaded from purchasing them because they are made in China. Didn't realize the production had been moved offshore from Cali by Schwab when he bought out the powells. Anyway, Great rods. very elegant design. they really launch a fly, but I'll stick with scott, and support american rod producers. I highly recommedn the tiboron II from sierratradingpost.com though if you don't mind buying offshore rods. great deal on them. I think they're at 299.00. great feel on the rod. Check em out. Maybe Keith Bryan will move production back to the US if they start making money off the rods. I dunno. The whole tale is sordid and unfortunate, and while I loved the rod, I felt guilty keeping it.
 
I own both Tiboron and Tiboron IIs, and they are both excellent. I can't tell a difference between the two. I believe the Tiborons were made in the USA and the Tiboron IIs were made in China. If the China thing really gives you trouble, be advised that several rods are now made overseas; Lefty Kreh's TFO, Albright, Fenwick, Redington, and lower end Orvis just to name a few. Even some of the rods made in the USA are made under foreign ownership like GL Loomis which is owned by Shamano. Looking at great American companies like Orvis and LL Bean most of their product (clothing, vests, tools, etc.) is made overseas. I would wager that other than their rods, even much of Scott's products are made overseas. Given today's culture of multinational companies it is difficult to know what is foreign and what isn't. I prefer to buy as many products made in the USA as possible, provided that I can obtain them at a reasonable price. I own several English made rods (Hardy, Sharpe, Bruce and Walker) and a portion of my 401K is foreign invested, so I guess I got over the foreign thing.:)
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I forgot to mention Sharpe of England now owns Thomas and Thomas and also owns Abel reels:dizzy:
 
What do you think about Powell's conversion to a bass rod company with its limited fly rod selection. I mean for my purposes I would only be interested in the tiboron xl, but that's a pretty limited selection. they only offer the high end and medium range rods. like i said I liked the tiboron II a lot, but am hesitatnt about powell the company.
 
Yea, I noticed that they are becoming a bass rod company. I don't think they are going to be in the high end fly rod market for that much longer. I wouldn't pay full price for one of their fly rods because I don't think that you will be able to count on their warranty. For the price, the Powell Tiboron II or Edge rods on sale at Sierra Trading Post are a bargain. A great rod at a great price. Again I wouldn't expect to be able to take advantage of their warranty beyond a couple of years. But since the price at Sierra is almost half, you could always buy two and keep one as a backup.

I really like these rods (Tiboron) and its a shame that Powell (Schwab) is going in another direction. But on the positive side it opens up an opportunity to get a great rod at a great price. I own one each from 4wt to 10wt (mixed Tiboron and Tiboron II) and I am amazed at how exceptionally light they are and how well they cast; out of all the fly rods I own they are my favorite fly rods. They are a very fast rod and that isn't for everyone or for every situation; hence justification to keep my other rods.

Hope this Helps
 
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Remembering Press Powell


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This article was published on 03.18.04.

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The flower arrangements were appropriately accented with bamboo rods, as a standing-room-only crowd filled the East Avenue Community Church to remember the life of Press Powell.
At the March 15 service, speakers ranging from young children to an octogenarian praised the Chico man, best known for his work with fly rods, who died March 11 at the age of 57.
Powell had aggressively fought colon cancer since 2000, hoping to live to see his teenaged sons grow up. He'd been married to Martha Powell since 1970.
Gary Moore, a Yuba City pastor and high-school friend, led the service and described Powell, no pun intended, as "irrepressible."
"It was really hard to get him down," Moore said. "No matter what happened, he would smile through it."
Although Powell earned fame as a third-generation successful fly-rod maker and fisherman, his friends described him as first and foremost someone who lived to make others feel special. Powell was slow to anger, quick to laugh and never limited his friendships to any clique or class of person.
Friends told of Little League pitching acumen and Chico High antics and, later, duck-hunting and tennis matches at the racquet club. Powell also helped start the Hooked on Fishing Not on Drugs children's event.
Jay Fair, an expert fisherman and guide who considered Powell a great friend, said that in his 80 years he'd known few people of Powell's character.
"He," said Fair, his voice trembling, "was a real gentleman."
Powell had recently undergone yet another procedure he hoped would thwart the cancer but succumbed to his illness at Enloe Medical Center.
The News & Review featured Press Powell in an August 2001 cover story that was largely about the lawsuit his late father, Walton Powell, filed against stockbroker giant Charles Schwab. Schwab, the suit charged, tricked Powell in 1996 into signing over the family name and then moved the company from Chico, forced the Powells out and ran it into the ground. The case was later settled, as was a similar suit filed by Press's brother, John.
His health failing, Press Powell sold the renamed Chico Fly Shop to longtime employees in 2002. Powell, who had been forbidden to build and sell rods with the Powell name under the agreement with Schwab, was later sued by Schwab--a case that was resolved when Schwab's company agreed to buy Press' stock, said Jeffrey Wagner, a Powell family attorney. Wagner added that Schwab has not yet paid all of the money owed, and it is now due to Powell's estate.
Powell had graduated from Chico State University with degrees in biology and agricultural science and capped that off with a master's degree at UC Davis before taking a teaching job. In 1977, his mother convinced him to come back to Chico and rejoin the family business.
Following the tradition of E. C. Powell in the 1930s, his son, Walt, became skilled at constructing bamboo fly rods and experimented with fiberglass and graphite. Press Powell's mother, Earline, was an expert at tying flies. But Press took rod-building to the next level, respecting the bamboo tradition but expanding the family's product line to include top-quality graphite rods. It was also Press Powell who urged his family to begin selling its wares in retail stores through dealers, rather than just direct-to-customer. He traveled the world promoting the rods.
He built rods for heads of state and Hollywood stars but also made time to take neighbor boys fishing. One of them came to the church microphone in tears to share a "once-in-a-lifetime opportunity," fishing with the master. "I miss him so much, because he's such a good guy," the boy said.


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When Walton Powell died June 29, 2001 in Fall River Mills, a family lost its patriarch. But the public will most remember Powell as a standout in four generations of fly fishing rod makers. The Powell Rod Co. was known for crafting the finest bamboo and graphite rods on the market, making each one lovingly by hand in a Chico shop.Then, the Powell family met the Charles Schwab family, of stockbrokerage fame, and therein lies a lawsuit that the Powells' attorney promises will survive Walt Powell.
John McGuinn, of San Francisco, said that even as Powell was weakened by prostate cancer, the 85-year-old's deposition was taken over 12 days in recent months and "the jury will get to see him" at the Sacramento trial.
"They were all forced out of this company [by Schwab]," McGuinn said. "It rendered this man destitute." (The Schwabs and their Powell & Co. Inc. retort that it was Powell who walked out of his consulting job, and that they never promised to keep the company in Chico.) Powell felt tremendously betrayed by the younger Schwab, who he said had been a fishing buddy. The suit, McGuinn said, is "the thing that kept him going. He wanted to be vindicated more than anything else."
 
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I was a big Powell fan back in the mid 80's. After looking into this thread I did a little research of my own.

Spare the rod
Chico fly rod maker Walton Powell died defending his honor after selling his family's name and image to the Schwab family

By Devanie Angel
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This article was published on 08.02.01, in CN&R.

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The legend shall not die, [my father's] dreams and ideals shall not end, and the greatness that is the Powell Rod shall continue to live and grow.
Press Powell has a legacy represented inside his Chico Fly Shop.
His grandfather, E. C. Powell, is about as big a name as you can get in the world of fly fishing, having perfected the use of bamboo fly rods in the 1930s and '40s. Press's father, Walton Powell, who died a month ago, is remembered for his innovative rod construction and teaching others the magic of fly fishing. Press Powell is a respected craftsman in his own right, focusing on graphite rods. When the museum is completed inside his shop on West Eighth Avenue, it will serve as a testament to three generations of master fly rod makers.
From a row of rods that look distinguished even to the uninitiated, Press Powell's hand automatically seeks out the first graphite rod he and his father made together.
"He was a great teacher," Powell reflected. "He taught people the common-sense factor of fishing. I always felt that was my dad's greatest contribution in many, many ways. He was a great rod maker, but so much more important is that you help bring people into fly fishing."
Almost every photo on the wall captures a moment of glory: Walton Powell and his pipe-puffing pal Bing Crosby. The women of the family tying award-winning flies. A distance-casting record shattered by Walton's brother, Albert (known as Buddy), who died in a car wreck in the 1930s. In the family scrapbook, a note to Walt from former President Jimmy Carter referring to his "great experience" fishing and the fact that "we'll think of you each time we enjoy the beauty and design of the Powell Rods." A 1954 newspaper clipping calling Walton Powell simply, "Bamboo Rod man." A poster from the Robert Redford film A River Runs Through It, for which Walton was hired to consult and construct rods. A copy of the letter from the state of Alaska granting him the first nonresident fishing license in history.
But when Walton Powell died June 29 in Fall River Mills at age 85, the longtime Chico craftsman had some unfinished business. He was in the midst of suing stockbroker powerhouse Charles Schwab for allegedly tricking him out of the Powell family name and forcing the company from the family's hands.
The lawsuit against Schwab, his son, Sandy, and Powell & Co., Inc., filed in June 2000 by Walton Powell and his second wife, Diane, also a rod maker, charges that a partnership with the Schwabs quickly went sour as the Schwab interests moved the rod factory from Chico and all of the Powell family members who worked there were squeezed out of the company.
Today, no Powells work for Powell & Co., and the new firm, in Rancho Cordova, doesn't even make the models carried before the reorganization, although the Web site pictures E. C. Powell with the caption: "Powell was shaped by the man who started this company and inspires us still: E. C. Powell." Another passage opens, "We've been around for forever (91 years to be exact)."
John Eustice, a Portland angler who became friends with Walton Powell in the late '70s and gave an upbeat eulogy at his Chico funeral service, said it was this type of identification of his family name with an unrelated company that "broke his heart." That Powell was unable to legally make and sell rods, which "was really his joy of life," was intolerable.
Dan Fallon, a Sausalito-based sportsman and journalist, called the failed Schwab alliance "the black mark at the end of his life."
"He was the kind of guy who was old school, and made deals by shaking hands. You didn't need 10 lawyers, and you didn't need affidavits," he said. "Walt felt completely betrayed. He told me that."
"He couldn't believe it happened," Fallon said. "He said it over and over."
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"It was always somewhat elitist," acknowledged Dick Spurr, who writes about and sells old bamboo fly rods as The Classic Angler in Colorado Springs. "They like to keep the image that it was very difficult--the average Joe couldn't do it." Plus, in the heyday of the 1930s, it just plain took a lot of money to buy all the gear and travel to the fishing spots. Today, the early Powell bamboo rods easily can sell for $2,000.
But fly-fishers form a tightly knit group in which three generations of Powells hold seats of honor.
When rods from imported bamboo first started being made in the United States, between 1910 and 1920, most came out of production rod companies. "No one person sat down and built one rod," Spurr said. That changed with a handful of craftsman, with then-Red Bluff resident E. C. Powell--"an icon and a legend"--being one of two prominent West Coast rod makers during the 1930s.
After soldiers returned from World War II, the market for outdoor recreation boomed, and Powell and his few contemporaries were doing a booming business. Soon, rod makers began experimenting with new, lightweight materials such as fiberglass and graphite. Walton Powell, born in 1915 in Marysville, had begun working alongside his father when he was only 7. His mother, Myrtle, was a fly tyer, and his first wife, Earline, was a respected teacher of tying techniques.
Family dynamics were always interesting among the Powell households, and members butted heads more than once. Press Powell said that while his father, Walton, wanted to progress into the graphite market, E. C. did not. Later, Press and his father would disagree over the senior Powell's belief that rods should be sold directly to consumers, while Press advocated using dealers to increase exposure. "Walt believed that the marketing should be one-on-one," said Diane Powell. "He didn't like merchandising his stuff in retail stores because they take 40 percent."
"We were always friends and we were always different," Press Powell said of his at-times feuding family.
Press Powell, one of five children, remembers fishing with his father and grandfather in such local spots as Big Chico, Butte and Battle creeks, but beyond that the memories of the Powells as individuals all run together. It seems like they always made rods, and it was always a collective effort.
Press Powell credited his father with teaching people about fly fishing and thus exposing more people to the sport. What he loved best was selling rods. "The method of selling was often education--you sold by teaching," he said. (Walton Powell, who attended the University of California at Berkeley, had also been an assistant professor in recreation at Chico State University.) "The fishing tackle work is very competitive. The everyday fisherman thinks they know everything about it. You have to learn to maintain your silence. ... My dad, he did what he wanted to do."
Spurr, of The Classic Angler, was more blunt: "Walton was a curmudgeon. Even his friends, and I guess I was one of his friends, would say he was a cantankerous old man. And you could say that to his face. He had that reputation, and he cherished it."
Spurr said the family's different approaches to rod making worked out well for collectors and fishermen. Walton Powell went on to earn a name as an innovator, while E. C. "stayed with their tradition and their heritage" until his death in 1966.
Fallon favors Walton Powell's work. "He is a god," Fallon said, and his fans' devotion to him borders on "idol worship." Powell is a household name to fly-fishers as far as Scandinavia and Japan, continuing today with Press Powell.
In 1997, Fallon fulfilled a longtime dream of fishing with Walton Powell, joining him in Fall River Mills, where he and his wife had moved.
"I was giddy like a 5-year-old kid. I couldn't sleep," he remembered. For a weekend, he was "at the foot of the master Powell." They stayed up late talking, often about Powell's heartbreak over the Schwab suit. At one point, Powell opened up a closet that was filled with cans of salmon. He'd go up to Alaska, catch his fill, and have the take canned to serve to guests as hors d'oeurves. (Powell was proud of and talked often of having taught some of the natives there to eat more healthfully, including vegetables in their diets.)
Fallon said that while he was out fishing with Powell--who was already into his 80s and had trouble getting in and out of the boat--they saw a game warden approach. Vaguely worried they were about to be hassled, Fallon was awed when, instead, "the guy came in and he just wanted to have Walt sign a few things and get a picture with him."
"Everywhere we went it was as if I was in the presence of the pope," he said. "Walt was the poet guy, [like] Damon Runyon. He was the bigger-than-life character." <table class="ContentImageRight" align="right" border="0" width="300"><tbody><tr><td> MASTER ROD MAKER Press Powell, left, is the third in four generations of Powells to make fly rods. He learned from his father, Walton Powell, right. COURTESY OF POWELL FAMILY

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Fallon has one of the last rods made by Walton Powell and said, "It's such a treasure. And I use it. I don't just put it on the wall. ... I wouldn't sell it for a million dollars."
Fallon travels all over the world fishing and writing about the sport. "Whenever anyone mentions Chico, Calif., the Powell legend and the Powell name is the first thing that comes out of their mouths." In Sweden, in particular, he said, "they revere him like Hollywood reveres Clark Gable."
Fallon said there's a "mystique" to fly fishing and fishing with bamboo rods in particular. The classic, Powell-built rods, he said, bear "sort of a poetic significance that sportsmen can touch." Bamboo grows near water, and using one to fish completes the circle, he said.
But Walton Powell, he said, "didn't get stuck in the idea that bamboo was it." He was innovative both in the use of materials and how to put them together. Intuitively and organically, Fallon said, Powell knew more about "this esoteric sport of throwing bugs at fish" than virtually anyone.
About 30 years ago, Walton and Earline Powell helped found the Chico Area Fly Fishers, having moved their family to Chico in 1954. Current group President Mark Adams said Walt Powell was always willing to share a story or donate a rod for a raffle. "I just always took it for granted that I've had Powell fly rods," Adams said.
The rods put out by the new Powell & Co., he said, are not as high-quality. "I don't think a lot of people realize that it's not the Powell family [running the business] any more," said Adams, who remembers when the shop was moved from Chico to Rancho Cordova. "It was virtually overnight. It took everybody by surprise. That was a shock. All of a sudden, boom, it was over."
In fall 1996, their lawsuit claims, Walton and Diane Powell were running a successful, debt-free rod factory in Chico. Nearby, Press Powell was grossing $900,000 per year through his graphite-rod-making Powell Rod Co., which employed eight to 10 full-time workers, including three of Walton Powell's grandsons.
Then, Walton Powell met Charles Schwab, who the suit claims was eager to help financially back a new rod company that would re-unify the Powell family members as a business entity, telling Walton "that [Schwab] had made millions of dollars for people he didn't know and that it would be a pleasure to make millions of dollars for people he knew and liked."
John McGuinn, the Powells' San Francisco attorney, said Schwab's pitch was that "it would put Chico on the map as the fly fishing capital of the West. The community will be proud, and you [the Powells] will be proud and very wealthy."
The suit states that, instead, "The true intention of defendants Charles Schwab and Sandy Schwab was to gain control of the Powell name, reputation and assets and have defendant Sandy Schwab and his friends, Karry Karavolos and Keith Bryan, run the company, to exclude Walt, Diane and Press Powell from any involvement in the company, and then to move the company from Chico to Rancho Cordova."
Soon, Charles Schwab's interests owned 51 percent of Walton Powell and Company, as Walt and Diane Powell turned over their assets, inventory and the rights to use their name on company products and in promotions. In 1997, Powell & Co., Inc. was formed, and Walt's sons Press and John transferred their interests to that, the suit states.
The suit claims that the Schwabs and their agents promised to "carry on the legacy of the Powell family," with the implication being that they would keep the company in Chico with Walt, Diane and Press as key employees. But instead, days after they transferred their interests, Diane Powell was barred from the premises and Press Powell was told "that he did not project the new image the Schwabs wanted" and to stay away. Then, the suit continues, "without any warning or notice, and while Walt and Diane Powell were at a speaking engagement in Austin, Texas, Powell & Co., Inc. took Walt Powell's entire bamboo shop, including all of the equipment he used to make bamboo fly-fishing rods, thus depriving him of the ability to make a living." At about the same time, the company "ceased employing him as a consultant for which he had been paid $2,500 a month and cancelled medical insurance for Walt and Diane Powell," knowing that he had prostate cancer and needed treatment and surgery.
"Not one single Powell is with the company," said McGuinn, and a four-generation legacy, on some level, is lost. "Everyone has signed this noncompete [agreement]. ... It carries the Powell name, but that's the only thing it has."
Walton Powell, he said, "was angry, bitter and frustrated" over the broken promises. "He [felt] just disbelief that Charles Schwab could do this to him." When Powell tried to reach the Schwabs or wrote them letters--Sandy Schwab had been placed in charge of Powell & Co.--"they ignored him." Walton and Diane Powell still owned as much as 10 percent of the shares in the company, and John Powell owns 15 percent, McGuinn said, pointing out that since it's not a publicly held company they can't get dividends or sell their stake to reap any financial benefits.
The suit charging "fraud and deceit" asks for compensation for lost earnings and emotional distress, along with punitive damages and other relief. The parties are set to try to mediate the case in September, and if that fails they'll likely proceed to a jury trial, McGuinn said. <table class="ContentImageLeft" align="left" border="0" width="300"><tbody><tr><td> MEMORIES Press Powell, who owns Chico Fly Shop, is putting together a museum detailing the Powell family history. His father, Walton Powell, fished with celebrities ranging from Clark Gable to President Jimmy Carter. PHOTO BY TOM ANGEL

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While the attorney for Powell & Co. and Charles Schwab Jr. (Sandy) did not return the News & Review's call for comment, 63-year-old Charles Schwab's personal attorney, Alan Seher of San Francisco, elaborated on his defense.
Rather than a hostile takeover of a family business, Seher said, Schwab's intent was simply "to help an old man."
The defense disputes Walton Powell's account of his relationship with the senior Schwab. "They never hung out or saw each other socially," Seher said. He said that Powell "solicited" Schwab to help a failing company.
"Chuck took pity on him and invested," Seher said. He said Walton Powell walked out on his consulting agreement, and the other family members quit on their own. Also, he said, Press Powell was on the board of the directors of the new company and had every opportunity to know the factory was being moved from Chico. "There was never any part of the deal that would keep the [factory] in Chico," Seher added.
"Walt was so old he didn't remember anything," Seher said of the deposition that Powell had been giving in the months leading up to his death. "What he knew and what he didn't know--who knows?
"Absolutely, there is no basis for this [suit]," Seher said. "It's sad, because he's this old man spending the last year of his life involved in this litigation [because] Mr. Schwab is perceived to have deep pockets."
In the deposition, Powell recounts how he came to meet the senior Schwab while delivering a rod that one of Schwab's clients had bought the stockbroker to a duck club on Butte Creek. Powell joined Schwab and a group of men hunting pheasants, returning more than once for similar sport.
He said it was Schwab who pressed for a partnership as he visited Schwab's office in San Francisco several times and Schwab came to Chico to tour his and Press Powell's shops. Walton Powell said during the deposition, "I never had any thought of expanding my business at that time. ... I had a very good life and [was] living very good."
The Schwabs retort that Walton Powell "misrepresented the profitability" of his business, and Walton and Diane did not abide by the agreement to never again make or sell fishing rods for their own account.
Because of his agreements with the Schwab-powered Powell & Co., Inc., Press Powell can't compete by selling rods with his name on them, so he deals largely in components and blanks--rods without reels attached.
Press Powell was reluctant to talk about the suit, since he is not a party to it, but said he regrets ever signing over his rights to the Schwabs.
"I kind of went [in] on [it] after the fact," he said. "I did it thinking it would be easier for the other people in my family who came along--nephews and such--but it didn't work out that way. ... They just had more assets that we did."
Press Powell has gaps in his museum because much of the family's memorabilia was packed up in the move from Chico. "They took all my personal library, my personal diary, my personal collections and such," he said. "They took a lot of my dad's stuff, too."
Walton Powell's widow, Diane, is bound by an agreement not to talk about the suit, but she did reveal that her husband was greatly saddened by the deal during his last years, and their lifestyle took a dramatic downturn financially after it was made.
In the early 1990s, Powell bought his new bride a $6,500 wedding ring and lived in an 11-room house. Their rented Fall River Mills cabin was modest, and "the last four years we lived here basically on charity," said Diane Powell, who is packing to move out since the cabin was sold. <table class="ContentImageRight" align="right" border="0" width="300"><tbody><tr><td> MASTER ROD MAKER Press Powell is the third in four generations of Powells to make fly rods. His work is especially renowned in Scandinavia and Japan, where anglers cherish his rods. PHOTO BY TOM ANGEL

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Still, she said, he was happy in many respects. "We had a great life."
"He wanted, at the end of his years, to be able to live right on the water where he could walk out the door and be on the water and go fishing," she said. And that's what they did, in a rented house with a weeping willow tree and a pier in their back yard with a view of Mt. Shasta.
Diane Powell, 30 years Walt's junior, says she got to see a side of him that his family did not--a kinder, gentler Walt Powell whose "absolute favorite thing in the world was watching the sun set."
"He was a good father and a good husband," she said, and he was prouder that he had raised an honorable family--five successful children and their progeny--than of his accomplishments in the rod world. "He idolized the ground they walked on." Sure, he was cantankerous, Diane Powell said, but "what his family never realized was, that was an act. He was really a *****cat."
Walton Powell talked often of his first wife, Earline, who died in 1981 and whom he missed greatly.
His prostate cancer had been in remission until five years ago, but even up to the day before his death, Diane Powell said, "he was sharp as a tack." It was travel that "wore him down." The morning before he died, she said, Walt woke up, ate a full breakfast, went for a walk, watched a tennis match and talked to his son, John, about the latest great-grandchild. "He was always proud as a peacock every time he had a new grandbaby."
He was excitedly making plans for a visit with friends that weekend, but a sudden pain sent him to the hospital. The next day he died.
During his last years of life, Walton Powell had an idea for designing a new rod, even though the Schwab deal forbade him from making and selling rods. "He was playing with ideas in the back of his head. He never quit," Diane Powell said.
Press Powell didn't plan on staying in the family business after he graduated from high school, and even less after he got his degree at Chico State in biology and agriculture science. He earned a master's degree at University of California at Davis and began teaching school. But his mother asked him to come back, and he did.
Press Powell formed his own company in 1977 but said, "I traveled all over the world with my father. I had a strong dealer network. He sold direct only."
Now, Press Powell's attentions have turned to fighting the colon cancer that has metastasized in his body. He is married and two sons, ages 11 and 16.
As for the future of his business, Powell said, "I just have to work to sell myself. I don't think it ever was just a name--it was us.
"We are without a doubt the last of the people in the fly-fishing industry [to remain a] family business," he said.
The movie-consulting gig was a source of pride for his father, although Press Powell said that ironically "that movie did more to hurt our industry than anything else. Everybody joined into the fly-fishing [manufacturing] world. It really caused an influx into our little cottage industry."
Eustice said his friend had a "hysterical" sense of humor and knack for storytelling but little tolerance for pretentiousness.
Eustice said that while Walt Powell was working on A River Runs Through It, one of Robert Redford's representatives called Powell and said the famous director was so impressed with Powell's rods that he wanted to have a bamboo one for himself. If Powell would make one and give it to him, Redford would give him a credit in the movie. Powell's response, according to Eustice, was, "What the hell would I do with that? Redford's got a lot of dough. If he wants a rod, he can buy a rod." And he did. Powell was invited to the movie's premiere but, unimpressed, said he was too busy to go.
"For him, it was about being out and making a fine tool to do the job," Eustice said. "He always had some new project or some new vision. "He was a man of very little arrogance. He had a wealth of confidence and very little ego, and if he was your friend he'd do anything for you," Eustice said. "He was a curmudgeon with a heart of gold."
 
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i wouldnt buy a rod that sells direct to the public! there are so many fly shops out there that need business. once the company was sold and they cut off all of the rod series... that was enough for me. they did make some great rods like the legacy!!!:foto: they are blowing theit own feet off!
 
If some of you Eastern fellas are interested in a really great rod, get in touch with Jim Clarkson. He built rods for Walton and Press Powell for years. When the familly lost the company, he started his own rod company in Chico. His company is Raptor Rod Works (you can google or yahoo it). He makes rods which are much the same as the legacy light series, one of Powell's best series of rods. They are around $300.00 and are so sweet.
 
I have an old, 30 years or more, Walton Powell fly rod model SH 85 for line sizes 9: 10: 11: 12. Never Used and still in the original material case and tube. Anyone have an idea what it's worth? the Decal on the Tube show it's from Walton, as does the rod signature itself, in Chico, Ca.
 
In the midst of these big earth shattering opinions, legitimate product questions, and Huge Hyperbolic Assumptions based upon chatter amongst individuals who seem to think they are in the know but aren't, and because they read something one sided on the web. I’ll try and answer the basic info that’s being talked about here in terms of product, a little about the company, and just a note or two of the past. After that, if you’re unable to move forward because you enjoy rolling around in the mud with hogs, then you’ll just stay muddy. Further, I seldom get on these boards, however, after finding this one, I decided to correct the Hyperbole and answer the genuine consumer questions, and set the record straight whether some of you like it or not.

<O:pFirst-I own the company and have worked for the company for 10 yrs so I guess you can pick on me. I have no affiliation anymore with ANY of the past owners. What I will tell you is that Press Powell himself told me personally before he passed that I was doing a good job and to keep it up, enough said on that. Jim Clarkson is a great guy and a great rod assembly guy. The difference between him and us is we are Powell, and we make and or assemble every aspect of our rods, from the blank, the butt and to the tip top and everything in between.

Second-Schwab is worth how much—He didn’t need the money, this was a classic case of you know what :crap:. In fact, I hear with the weather in the bay area being as cold as it has been lately, that that old attorney, now has his own hands in his own pockets for once, what’s that tell you, must not be many ambulances running around. Plus, if you noticed, there are always 2 sides to a story and now, and who cares, enough said there too.:sleeping:

The business—We are growing so fast right now (Hope it continues) as a result of great products but most of all, great consumers. and we are doing it in the way in which Powell family always wanted to do it, which was to become a well rounded rod company, and that’s what we are and will continue to try and do. We are a rod company; we make fishing rods, and that’s just what we do. Fly rods, Bass rods, etc. With much more to come. So if anyone is wondering if their warranty is going to be honored or taken care of, please know, you have nothing to worry about because we will always take care of our product and stand behind it. If there’s some that think we are insignificant or in trouble then great, because we aren’t going to bat 1,000 and we want supporters, so that just reduced our batting average a little, and that’s okay by us and they have every right to wonder about whatever they want.

<O:pGood info on the dealer statement and about taking care of our customers I appreciate that, but---No we didn’t intentionally do away with retailers forever nor did we want to, what we did was to shift our strategy and broaden the company’s distribution with more products so eventually when we came back to the stores we could offer our same great high performance and high quality products at the best prices without any compromise, because we buy so much raw material and components in bulk, so it reduces our overall costs, therefore allowing us to pass on that savings to the consumer. I’m as American as it gets, and with our design team here in the states and our manufacturing overseas we are able to implement this strategy. If you don’t like it that’s your right, and that’s all good with us and we understand.

<O:pAll I can tell you is that I appreciate the Powell conversation because there will always be sides, and man, especially with a company’s that will be 100yrs old in 2 more years, there’s a lot in that closet over the years. Just think about how old you are, and how much is in your own closets, including mine, for those of you squawking? I will always call a spade a spade. Think about it, do you really think that after a company has been around for this long as this one has and will be that there won’t always be someone who will want to carry on this tradition and take care of its customers? And guess what, the warranty, innovative designs through rigorous R & D will always happen, at least under my watch and it’s happening now. For those of you who have and continue to support us, we thank you and appreciate you very much. For the one’s that don’t yet fish our rods, and for the one’s that never will, there’s always a place here for you here if you decide to give us a try. If not, please know we understand know that this is what brand loyalty is all about, and that’s a great thing. There are many great company’s out there, so enjoy it and get off the couch and from out behind the computer every once in a while and be a participant. I was always told to be very careful when you point your finger at someone or something, because almost always, there’s more fingers pointing back at yourself, so be careful who you are criticizing because in the end, we are all human and none of us are perfect.

<O:pStrap in boys it’s now going to start getting real fun here at Powell.

Thank you very much and if you took the time to read this, I appreciate your time. I will not go back forth on the board here, like it or not. If you would like to discuss further, visit online at powellco.com and call the number listed there.

Happy Fishing

Keith Bryan

<O:pOwner
<O:pPresident
<O:pPowell Products, Inc.:)<O:p
 
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I have to say guys...There's nothing I like more than listing to a business owner toot his own horn.

Cdog
 
I think its unfortunate that they're down to only one line of fly rods, and not a particularly diverse line at that. With all the rod companies that have oved produciton overseas, that doesn't bother me as much I guess, as the apparent elimination of the fly rod consumer at Powell. The tiboron II is a very good rod. I've casted one on a number of occasions. But that rods gone from the line up. Everything is 9 foot and super fast action. Well what about all the pople who like 10 foot and med.-fast action, or 8 feet and a deep flex with a quick tip recovery. I'm not knocking powell. They seem to be doing very well in the bass rod business. Just diappointed to see fly fishing be slowly eliminated from their business.
 
I have three mid 90's powell rods a 9' for a 5-6-7 weight, a 7'6 for a 4 wt and a 9' 10 wt.

the first broke in 2001, the top section of the 4 pcs rod shattered while fishing for bows on Spring Lake in early spring. As the rod had a lifetime guarntee I called the Powell Rod Company, was told they don't hornor the warrenty of the "prior" owners, but I could buy a new Powell at a 10% discount.

Went to Ramsey Outdoor and got a Sage SLT
 
Sorry to jump in but any of you fly fishing buffs know of Diane Powell fly rods, dealers? price? availabilty? desirabilty. thanks. Limey
 
Yes,, I have a Dianne powell rod I just bought for my wife here in Chico, ca. I knew Walt and press somewhat and have always had their rods. It also came with an extra tip. I know this is abut 7 years late, but I'm not sure what it's worth now. It's a 3-4-5 weight 7'6" rod. Great stream rod.
 
Yes,, I have a Dianne powell rod I just bought for my wife here in Chico, ca. I knew Walt and press somewhat and have always had their rods. It also came with an extra tip. I know this is abut 7 years late, but I'm not sure what it's worth now. It's a 3-4-5 weight 7'6" rod. Great stream rod.

i like the new screen name, Mac.
 
i like the new screen name, Mac.

When are we meeting to discuss our guide trip with Joe this spring? I need to block my calendar. Doyou take your smallcoffee black or with cream? I want to make sure I get that right. We can meet at the fly show on Saturday the 24th. Just let me know what time. Maybe we can talk to Joe about what flies we should have for that day. I'm looking forward to it.
 
count me in. I may be a little late, but wait for me at the launch.

That sounds familiar. I'm sorry Dluver but there isn't enough room in Joe da boat and in uncomfortable when you try to sit on my lap
 
I got the nickname when I was in the infantry out of ft. Stewart ga. I have 5 or so vintage powell rods, but what I'm looking for specifically is a 10' 5-6 weight powell legacy. If anyone has one in decent shape, I'd love to buy it. Mine was stolen out of my car. It was my first fly rod and I miss it.
 
In the midst of these big earth shattering opinions, legitimate product questions, and Huge Hyperbolic Assumptions based upon chatter amongst individuals who seem to think they are in the know but aren't, and because they read something one sided on the web. I’ll try and answer the basic info that’s being talked about here in terms of product, a little about the company, and just a note or two of the past. After that, if you’re unable to move forward because you enjoy rolling around in the mud with hogs, then you’ll just stay muddy. Further, I seldom get on these boards, however, after finding this one, I decided to correct the Hyperbole and answer the genuine consumer questions, and set the record straight whether some of you like it or not.

<o:pFirst-I own the company and have worked for the company for 10 yrs so I guess you can pick on me. I have no affiliation anymore with ANY of the past owners. What I will tell you is that Press Powell himself told me personally before he passed that I was doing a good job and to keep it up, enough said on that. Jim Clarkson is a great guy and a great rod assembly guy. The difference between him and us is we are Powell, and we make and or assemble every aspect of our rods, from the blank, the butt and to the tip top and everything in between.

Second-Schwab is worth how much—He didn’t need the money, this was a classic case of you know what :crap:. In fact, I hear with the weather in the bay area being as cold as it has been lately, that that old attorney, now has his own hands in his own pockets for once, what’s that tell you, must not be many ambulances running around. Plus, if you noticed, there are always 2 sides to a story and now, and who cares, enough said there too.:sleeping:

The business—We are growing so fast right now (Hope it continues) as a result of great products but most of all, great consumers. and we are doing it in the way in which Powell family always wanted to do it, which was to become a well rounded rod company, and that’s what we are and will continue to try and do. We are a rod company; we make fishing rods, and that’s just what we do. Fly rods, Bass rods, etc. With much more to come. So if anyone is wondering if their warranty is going to be honored or taken care of, please know, you have nothing to worry about because we will always take care of our product and stand behind it. If there’s some that think we are insignificant or in trouble then great, because we aren’t going to bat 1,000 and we want supporters, so that just reduced our batting average a little, and that’s okay by us and they have every right to wonder about whatever they want.

<o:pGood info on the dealer statement and about taking care of our customers I appreciate that, but---No we didn’t intentionally do away with retailers forever nor did we want to, what we did was to shift our strategy and broaden the company’s distribution with more products so eventually when we came back to the stores we could offer our same great high performance and high quality products at the best prices without any compromise, because we buy so much raw material and components in bulk, so it reduces our overall costs, therefore allowing us to pass on that savings to the consumer. I’m as American as it gets, and with our design team here in the states and our manufacturing overseas we are able to implement this strategy. If you don’t like it that’s your right, and that’s all good with us and we understand.

<o:pAll I can tell you is that I appreciate the Powell conversation because there will always be sides, and man, especially with a company’s that will be 100yrs old in 2 more years, there’s a lot in that closet over the years. Just think about how old you are, and how much is in your own closets, including mine, for those of you squawking? I will always call a spade a spade. Think about it, do you really think that after a company has been around for this long as this one has and will be that there won’t always be someone who will want to carry on this tradition and take care of its customers? And guess what, the warranty, innovative designs through rigorous R & D will always happen, at least under my watch and it’s happening now. For those of you who have and continue to support us, we thank you and appreciate you very much. For the one’s that don’t yet fish our rods, and for the one’s that never will, there’s always a place here for you here if you decide to give us a try. If not, please know we understand know that this is what brand loyalty is all about, and that’s a great thing. There are many great company’s out there, so enjoy it and get off the couch and from out behind the computer every once in a while and be a participant. I was always told to be very careful when you point your finger at someone or something, because almost always, there’s more fingers pointing back at yourself, so be careful who you are criticizing because in the end, we are all human and none of us are perfect.

<o:pStrap in boys it’s now going to start getting real fun here at Powell.

Thank you very much and if you took the time to read this, I appreciate your time. I will not go back forth on the board here, like it or not. If you would like to discuss further, visit online at powellco.com and call the number listed there.

Happy Fishing

Keith Bryan

<o:pOwner
<o:pPresident
<o:pPowell Products, Inc.:)<o:p

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