Twice now, while out that way, I have meant to spend at least some time on White Deer, only to stay put on Fishing Creek (which I like better than Spring Crk.) One of these days I'm actually going to do it, hopefully this spring. I know little about it other than it is wilderness and the brief notes from talking to and reading Landis and a few other Tu members from up that way. Sure looks like a nice little wooded trout stream.
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Catskills or Adirondacks?
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Twice now, while out that way, I have meant to spend at least some time on White Deer, only to stay put on Fishing Creek (which I like better than Spring Crk.) One of these days I'm actually going to do it, hopefully this spring. I know little about it other than it is wilderness and the brief notes from talking to and reading Landis and a few other Tu members from up that way. Sure looks like a nice little wooded trout stream.
Everytime I go there I have the entire stream to myself.
Ease of acces right off the interstate...
You're all about easy access and interstates huh, restrooms too? Late nights on the GSP waiting for the former governor to, uh, access you.
Honestly it all comes down to what your looking for. If it's peace and quiet and wilderness then it's the adirondacks. If it's a the fishing, streams, hatches and history then it's the Catskills. Keep in mind you will have to put up with a lot more people in the Catskills so it comes back to what are you really looking for. Last year I was introduced to New Hampshire and Maine and have truly fell in love with it from the start. The wife and I are planning a lot of time this coming year up their. We truly feel this is an area that we would love to retire in. Beauty, wilderness, snow (Will have a plow and snow Blower) good fishing and hunting and most of all peace and quiet with a small town attitude and not a lot of anglers (Compared to the Catskills).
I spent about 5 years up in NH and loved every second of it. The White Mountain Nat'l Forest was like my backyard playground. I try to get back up there whenever possible and like you, would love to retire there. Between the TU National meeting at Waterville Valley, NH in 2010 and a stay at Lopstick Lodge up on the Upper Connecticut, I plan to spend a week up there in September next year. Like you said great hunting and fishing, great people, small towns, and no crowds on the water or in the woods.
mbwmn
“Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?”
ok, now THAT was funny.
NJpatbee
Can be found on NJ/NY/PA waters!
I have fished the White Mountains in NH several times and it is great, but it is not without crowds - e.g. the Swift and Saco rivers. Plenty of under utilized brook trout waters also, with good fishing through much of the Summer into early Fall. However, the season for someone like me that does not enjoy fishing in temps below 45F is entirely too short. I have never fished the Adirondacks but I suspect the weather is similar, and the choices are also limited compared to the Catskills or PA.
I also bet that it brought back many a good memory for you...
Your inside the the rest room with the truckers, and Ryan is out side with the hookers.
Hey, you both got what you wish for....
But Pat, none of those NH rivers really get anything like the crowds the more popular Catskills rivers (or the W. Br. Ausable) can get. And if you hike even just a tiny bit you'll have it all to yourself. On the Swift & Saco, it depends greatly upon where you fish. The Upper Connecticut is probably the best NH trout river (along with the Androscoggin) and it was rather easy to find entire stretches of river, as far as your eye could see, without another angler in sight. Plus like you said, countless brookie streams & ponds with absolutely no other soul aside from an occasional moose.
NJpatbee
Can be found on NJ/NY/PA waters!
You're right, nothing like the crowds on Cairn's Pool on Memorial Day Weekend, but the special reg areas do get a fair amount of people. I fished there last Labor day Weekend and I plan to back again in the future. But for someone like myself to buy a fishing cabin or camp in the White Mountains, the snows and bitterly cold weather come too early and stay too late. Outside of Roscoe NY, or State College or Boiling Spings PA is more my speed.
By the way, who started this thread, red owl? So, where are you buying our camp and when are we going there?
Ah my friend I understand, not everyone enjoys winter like some of us do. But personally I'll take the snowy but usually sunny weather of a White Mountains winter anyday over the almost as cold but far more gray and wet winters we often have here. Trust me man, a good Gore-tex parka, wool or fleece, and polypro long underwear and you're well-prepared to have a blast almost every day out in that sunny, snowy wonderland. I enoyed the winters up there far, far more than I do our typical winters here. Good open water fishing from May thru October up there too, not shabby at all. If you love the mountains and outdoors NH is an eastern US paradise all year round (well OK, mud season isn't always so great.)
Ever spend several winter days in the outdoors of the State College area? Trust me, it gets damn cold out there on the farm too.
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Hi NJpatbee:
It still all comes down to what makes you happy. For the Mrs and I we know about the weather and the snow but just love the mountains and people and the small town atmoshpere. The fishing is great and not pressured and the hunting is wide open and to yourself. There are some really nice family eateries that we ate at and the food was out of this world. The Mrs. and I are planning to go up in Feberuary to do a little snow mobiling and enjoy the scenary. I also hope to get a little sled riding or snow tubing in as well. The is a nice area to retire in and I met a few people up there who I have been keeping in touch with that are older and simply love it. I can see why the love for New Hampshire. My of my friends from the bowling team goes up and ATVS about 6 to 8 times a years. He is 60 years old and can't get enough of it. The Catskills are nice and the Adirondacks even nicer and would never say a negative word about either one of them. For me it will be N.H.
It still all comes down to what makes you happy. For the Mrs and I we know about the weather and the snow but just love the mountains and people and the small town atmoshpere. The fishing is great and not pressured and the hunting is wide open and to yourself. There are some really nice family eateries that we ate at and the food was out of this world. The Mrs. and I are planning to go up in Feberuary to do a little snow mobiling and enjoy the scenary. I also hope to get a little sled riding or snow tubing in as well. The is a nice area to retire in and I met a few people up there who I have been keeping in touch with that are older and simply love it. I can see why the love for New Hampshire. My of my friends from the bowling team goes up and ATVS about 6 to 8 times a years. He is 60 years old and can't get enough of it. The Catskills are nice and the Adirondacks even nicer and would never say a negative word about either one of them. For me it will be N.H.
Catskill Mountain Man
Explore, and implore to explore
Catskills beat them all. you all know that. I've fished in the daks, and have been to the white mtns.
Access, history, the pool, riffle, run system of every stream and more reasons than i can type here make the catskills at least in the top 3 of best areas in the lower US to fly fish. the west is too big. the southern apps. are too limited. the drifltess area is too shot. the mid atlantic has pretty much brown and rainbows although ive heard of cutt's being stocked in some places in the mid atlantic. and the prime strong hold of the brook trout lets face it is infested with black flies and cold too much of the year.
Trout do the best in the seams of things; the seams btwn currents, the seams of cold water tribs and the main stem of a crick, the seam btwn summer and winter (spring). And the catskills are right on the geological and ecological seam btwn northern and southern habitats on this continent. therefore the catskills are a serious contender to #1. i think real wild trout seams really start at like the 42nd parallel which is right above nyc. and the catskills provide the necessarry elevation to make just the perfect streams, they get warm enough for good amounts of nutrients to accumulate yet cold enough for trout to breathe, which always comes before eating.
Access, history, the pool, riffle, run system of every stream and more reasons than i can type here make the catskills at least in the top 3 of best areas in the lower US to fly fish. the west is too big. the southern apps. are too limited. the drifltess area is too shot. the mid atlantic has pretty much brown and rainbows although ive heard of cutt's being stocked in some places in the mid atlantic. and the prime strong hold of the brook trout lets face it is infested with black flies and cold too much of the year.
Trout do the best in the seams of things; the seams btwn currents, the seams of cold water tribs and the main stem of a crick, the seam btwn summer and winter (spring). And the catskills are right on the geological and ecological seam btwn northern and southern habitats on this continent. therefore the catskills are a serious contender to #1. i think real wild trout seams really start at like the 42nd parallel which is right above nyc. and the catskills provide the necessarry elevation to make just the perfect streams, they get warm enough for good amounts of nutrients to accumulate yet cold enough for trout to breathe, which always comes before eating.
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Have you fished the Upper Connecticut River area though? It's an hour or so north of the White Mtns, a stone's throw from the Quebec border. It's just my opinion at the moment, and I need more time in the Catskills, but the Upper Connecticut is better. The scenery, the remote wildness of the place, history of the area, and the great fishing opportunities that abound for brook trout, brown trout, rainbow trout, lake trout, and landlocked salmon make it one of the best places I've ever fished and a destination I really want to go back to year after year. Don't get me wrong, they're all good and it's a very close call but for me nothing I've fished so far beats the Upper Connecticut River area.
In the ADK's I like the comraderie, steadiness of the fishing, and the outstanding dinners at the Wilderness Inn II. So I laways look forward to this annual trip.
I'm kinda new to the Catskills but like the proximity for weekend camping runs, the history, and the challenge of the streams. Next season I will be up much more frequently.
There's just something I find totally special about the Upper Connecticut River area.
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Hey Catskill Mountians Man:
The Catskills are beautiful and have great fishing and spectacular hatches. There is nothing wrong with loving them the best of all for you. It all comes down to what makes you happy. I fish the Catskills too and have a great time. For all the pleasure you find in the Catskills I am finding in New Hampshire. I will not say one is better than the other because it's an individual choice. The cool part is at least we all enjoy and apprecaite the beauty of the great outdoors and that truly is all that matters, don't you think.
The Catskills are beautiful and have great fishing and spectacular hatches. There is nothing wrong with loving them the best of all for you. It all comes down to what makes you happy. I fish the Catskills too and have a great time. For all the pleasure you find in the Catskills I am finding in New Hampshire. I will not say one is better than the other because it's an individual choice. The cool part is at least we all enjoy and apprecaite the beauty of the great outdoors and that truly is all that matters, don't you think.
Since there is a new TU chapter in NJ...
Might wish to give the Rahway River a chance and fish it with a bunch of friends. No need to worry about burning this spot, there is plenty of urban sprawl for everyone.
If we all write some nice things about that body of water, who knows we could make it a destination spot and be on the cover of American Angler the Urban Edition.
Might wish to give the Rahway River a chance and fish it with a bunch of friends. No need to worry about burning this spot, there is plenty of urban sprawl for everyone.
If we all write some nice things about that body of water, who knows we could make it a destination spot and be on the cover of American Angler the Urban Edition.
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That dead body hatch is a killer on that river!
khuhner
Fishizzle, I use worms but I'm looking to upgrade!
Catskills. There's over 100 miles of trout water...including the Big 'D'.
mbwmn
“Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?”
D'ANGLER
Born to fish....forced to work!
R/O -I actually went partners with my buddy to help defer costs. We're presently in over 20G for land, permits, lot clearing, poured concrete pad, mobile move, electric, septic. Just waiting for well this spring (2-5G). Township has been great with helping us through the process. Renovations to the free 14X70 Craigslist mobile are ongoing which initially had to pass inspections w/HUD requirements in place. Those 12X24 Amish Style sheds were our first choice using solar panels, rain collecting barrels & composting toilets. They just need to be dropped off onto a gravely bed, but we opted for more comfort so the wife's would gladly shell out some extra green.
DoubleHaul
DoubleHaul
CASE IN POINT
Residents lash out at APA's boathouse proposal
This is a daily thing. It's always something new with the APA :nose-picking:
Residents lash out at APA's boathouse proposal
This is a daily thing. It's always something new with the APA :nose-picking:
DoubleHaul
DoubleHaul
ANOTHER "CASE_IN_POINT"
Under attack by the protectors
"The way the case played out explains why John Maye, a retired forest ranger who pauses to think before he speaks, likens the APA to an Adirondack black fly: "Once it smells your breath," he said, "it will never leave you alone until it gets what it wants - your blood." By Will Doolittle, Glens Falls Post Star
Under attack by the protectors
"The way the case played out explains why John Maye, a retired forest ranger who pauses to think before he speaks, likens the APA to an Adirondack black fly: "Once it smells your breath," he said, "it will never leave you alone until it gets what it wants - your blood." By Will Doolittle, Glens Falls Post Star
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Creekwader
New member
I say thank God for the APA. It's not perfect but it's better than the alternative. Call me what you will but more development, especially waterfront is the last thing we need for our lakes and rivers.
Yeh, I tend to agree.
sandfly
Just finished a River Runs Through it!
yeah lets go fish the pontoon hatch......i like it here miles of water and no one else around..
DoubleHaul
DoubleHaul
Sorry guys, hope you knew you were going to get a groan from the Adriondacks. It's ok as long as it's not your property.
Same deal in the NJ Pine Barrens. The Pinelands Act and Pinelands Commission are far from perfect, but without them the whole region would be one gigantic retirement community from the parkway to Philadelphia.
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Creekwader
New member
I do own ADK property, so do friends and family. APA's been a non-issue.
DoubleHaul
DoubleHaul
I do not disagree with the mission of the APA only the unregulated strong arm tactics they employ with no oversight (other than state supreme court). In order to get fair treatment, you need to have a bank roll like Andrew Carnegie and as many lawyers as the District of Columbia. The average resident doesn't stand a chance if they get cut from the herd. Said my peace, done on this thread. DH
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