Attend the Sportsmen's Marcellus Shale Summit on Saturday, June 16

[mbwmn]

Join sportsmen and women for the Sportsmen's Marcellus Shale Summit on Saturday, June 16, from 9 a.m. to 4 p.m. at the Pocono Environmental Education Center, in Dingmans Ferry, Pennsylvania.<o></o> Worried about the new gas wells, roads, and pipelines, you see being developed around your favorite trout stream or hunting blind? Supportive of natural gas development, but want to make sure you protect hunting, fishing, and trapping at the same time? Then please join us!<o></o> Sportsmen and women and conservation groups in the heart of the Marcellus Shale region are working together to identify and propose solutions to ensure gas drilling and hydraulic fracturing not only create economic benefits for our communities, but also protect our hunting, fishing and trapping heritage.<o></o> Through the Sportsmen's Marcellus Shale Summit, we will look at how natural gas drilling is affecting hunters and anglers, our communities, and our sporting heritage. At the summit you will learn more about the Sportsmen Alliance for Marcellus Conservation and hear fish and wildlife experts in the field, along with sportsmen and women with first-hand experience, discuss the following topics:<o></o> How the interests of sportsmen and women can be protected through policies and practices that safeguard the sporting experience while supporting a robust energy economy<o></o> State and regional updates on drilling and impacts on fish and wildlife<o></o> Key areas that need protection in the Marcellus region<o></o> Updates on how we're working collaboratively with industry to protect our sporting heritage<o></o> Registration will open at 8:15 a.m. and opening remarks will begin at 9 a.m. The conference will conclude by 4 p.m.<o></o> Register now<o></o> Sportsmen's Marcellus Shale Summit Travel Information: click here<o></o> <o></o>

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[WBDluver]

Marcellus shale drilling seminar given at the pocono ENVIROMENTAL center. That like giving a healthy eating seminar at McDonalds

 

[ajfromnj]

You got that right a seminar in Pennsylvania about drilling... What a joke. The state where the governor would sell his soul to get moreover from gas companies. People need to wake up and realize that this is just a scam. Few of these wells actually produce gas. The royalties are very low and sometimes not at all. Chesapeake one of the largest campaniles is on the verge of bankruptcy. They downright lie to investors to get more money. Wake up before they destroy your favorite stream. It's coming. They want to put in excess of 35,000 wells in PA. They only have 6,000 now. They are shooting for almost 100,000 when the land is pillaged for all it's worth.

I love it when they say they make new jobs, no they don't. They said at least 60,000 jobs in one year. This was 3 years ago. Thy only created 6,000.

The other lie is that this energy will sustain us. They can't send it overseas fast enpught. It's worth 12-17 dollrs a cubic foot overseas and only 2 dollars here. Where do you think it's going to go???

 

[Rusty Spinner]

I think some don't understand this alliance. TU put this together to bring sportsmen and women out to ensure that their voices are heard when it comes to protecting PA's natural resources. I don't think any of us would be against drilling for gas if we knew it was as safe as say surface oil drilling. But we don't at all know that current practices are safe or even capable of being so. This alliance aims to engage hunters and anglers who are of all political leanings to press for safer regulations to oversee the incredibly rapid development of gas in the Marcellus shale region, mainly near us that is PA. It also informs them how to determine if there may be a spill or other potential problem (illegally dumping frack pudding into a river, for example or de-watering a headwater trout stream without proper permit(s)).

AJ - I have to take you to task on the jobs thing. I drive through PA's major gas drilling area every time I go to my hunting camp and I can't believe how incredibly fast the industry is growing in that state. Sure, many workers have arrived from out of state, but jobs are jobs. The problem with these jobs is that they are relatively short lived and you need, just like a circus, to keep moving on as the ground around you and its trapped gas is drilled forevermore. That doesn't mean I support current drilling practices and the general lack of oversight, I don't. But the jobs are there and in a big way. Homelessness is becoming an issue in towns where gas drilling employees are pushing out the lower end wage earners in rental units and sometimes into the street. Abandoned delis, gas stations, restaurants, etc. are opening back up in those areas heavily drilled. But they will all be closed again soon as the circus has to move on...

That's one of the biggest issues with gas drilling - it's a boom then bust industry for any given geographical area it hits. It does not create sustainable jobs in any one area for very long.

 

[ajfromnj]

Brian,

When they came to PA they promised that they would create jobs for Pennsylvanians, and they haven't. They say whatever people want to hear.

You and I both know that they do not have the technology to horizontally drill at the depths that they are especially given how sensitive area the northeast is.

 

[Rusty Spinner]

they would create jobs for Pennsylvanians, and they haven't.

Agreed. Same with the actual drilling. Just wished PA paused long enough for the drillers to learn more about safe extraction. But they are flat out drilling every hole they can and extracting gas at am amazing rate already and there's likely no turning back. I guess it's cross your fingers and hope it's not going to be bad in the end. Just glad I don't have to fight it in "my" watershed, I've got enough issues with poorly planned development.

 

[Future Fanatic]

You got that right a seminar in Pennsylvania about drilling... What a joke. The state where the governor would sell his soul to get moreover from gas companies. People need to wake up and realize that this is just a scam. Few of these wells actually produce gas. The royalties are very low and sometimes not at all. Chesapeake one of the largest campaniles is on the verge of bankruptcy. They downright lie to investors to get more money. Wake up before they destroy your favorite stream. It's coming. They want to put in excess of 35,000 wells in PA. They only have 6,000 now. They are shooting for almost 100,000 when the land is pillaged for all it's worth.

I love it when they say they make new jobs, no they don't. They said at least 60,000 jobs in one year. This was 3 years ago. Thy only created 6,000.

The other lie is that this energy will sustain us. They can't send it overseas fast enpught. It's worth 12-17 dollrs a cubic foot overseas and only 2 dollars here. Where do you think it's going to go???

Where do you get your info?

 

[lightenup]

I just met a woman who is driving around in a Toyota 4x4 with no fracking painted all over it, a canoe on top of it with what the frack on it and so on......so I approached her, she was very nice, a little crunchy (go figure), and asked her what was going on...she told me a lot of the waste water or proprietary fracking liquid is being disposed of in New Jersey, and the shale under NJ is going to be fracked next....I haven't formed an opinion on it yet, but she gave me bunches of info on this stuff, (one sided to her beliefs of course), and it is a bit scary..only 1 tenth of the jobs promised by now have been created...most are from out of state...not even close to the amount of gas promised is coming out of the wells. They drill...create a mess and move on (without cleaning the mess)..I am all for drilling for oil and gas and creating jobs, as long as it being done responsibly....

We all know that government over-sight and responsible should not be used in the same sentence, we also know that greed and safety do not mix..so if anyone has any printed info with footnotes to where their info is from I would like to see it posted.....

I, as a person who greatly enjoys the outdoors, as everyone else here seems to as well, do not want to see one of the best fishing, and wildlife areas in the east be destroyed by greed and politics.

 

[Future Fanatic]

she told me a lot of the waste water or proprietary fracking liquid is being disposed of in New Jersey, and the shale under NJ is going to be fracked next....I haven't formed an opinion on it yet, but she gave me bunches of info on this stuff, (one sided to her beliefs of course), and it is a bit scary..only 1 tenth of the jobs promised by now have been created...most are from out of state...not even close to the amount of gas promised is coming out of the wells. They drill...create a mess and move on (without cleaning the mess)..I am all for drilling for oil and gas and creating jobs, as long as it being done responsibly....

Did her info come with sources? I'd be interested in seeing it.

There is NO marcellus shale in Jersey.

Marcellus Shale Gas: New Research Results Surprise Geologists!

And as far as the Utica shale goes... there is a small portion under the Stokes/High Point area... but not enough for experts to consider it viable for production.

Jobs?

Gas Boom Creates Jobs in Pennsylvania, but How Many? - WSJ.com

And it seems many more to come.

Every little bit helps, yes? In this next article, there are even jobs for NY companies in PA...

Gas drilling spurs jobs in wildlife, software | Press & Sun-Bulletin | pressconnects.com

Not enough gas coming out of the wells?

That's why the price of natural gas has gone from like 10 bucks to 2 bucks over the last couple of years...

Jersey relies on fracked well-natural gas to heat much of their homes and businesses... and the supply of gas coming out of the wells dropped their bills 80%.

And I've seen completed well sites... no mess...

 

[lightenup]

Did her info come with sources? I'd be interested in seeing it.

There is NO marcellus shale in Jersey.

Marcellus Shale Gas: New Research Results Surprise Geologists!

And as far as the Utica shale goes... there is a small portion under the Stokes/High Point area... but not enough for experts to consider it viable for production.

Jobs?

Gas Boom Creates Jobs in Pennsylvania, but How Many? - WSJ.com

And it seems many more to come.

Every little bit helps, yes? In this next article, there are even jobs for NY companies in PA...

Gas drilling spurs jobs in wildlife, software | Press & Sun-Bulletin | pressconnects.com

Not enough gas coming out of the wells?

That's why the price of natural gas has gone from like 10 bucks to 2 bucks over the last couple of years...

Jersey relies on fracked well-natural gas to heat much of their homes and businesses... and the supply of gas coming out of the wells dropped their bills 80%.

And I've seen completed well sites... no mess...
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Yes she had handouts, and such..most of the research is being done by Columbia university. I have not worked my way through it all yet. I know NJ does not have Marcellus shale. She had another name for the shale in NJ. Thank you for the links I will read them. If what you say is correct, I wish I had access to natural gas lines....

 

[mbwmn]

Did her info come with sources? I'd be interested in seeing it.


That's why the price of natural gas has gone from like 10 bucks to 2 bucks over the last couple of years...

Jersey relies on fracked well-natural gas to heat much of their homes and businesses... and the supply of gas coming out of the wells dropped their bills 80%.

What's your source for this, another lie on NEFF?

 

[lightenup]

What's your source for this, another lie on NEFF?

I have a feeling that most of what we hear of fracking is lies,supported by greed, politics and the occasional payoff.

 

[mbwmn]

You're missing ...
...tax incentives to drill, whether gas is produced or not.

 

[Future Fanatic]

What's your source for this, another lie on NEFF?

Yes, it should have read:

Jersey relies on fracked well-natural gas to heat much of their homes and businesses... and the supply of gas coming out of the wells dropped the wholesale cost of the gas that is supplied to them 80%.

But of what I wrote that's ALL you've got a beef with?
We're making progress.