PortMurrayAgn
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Another great day out there.
Give us a try!
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wild trout on the musky
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Another great day out there.
PortMurrayAgn
New member
It came on the dropper. Look closely. I'd never post a foul hooked fish.
skipper3245
Barbless Hooks save lives
nothin is wrong with a foul hook every once in a while. It happens. nice fish doode
Trout Guy
Brookie's or Bust!
Rusty Spinner
Active member
Nice fish, Roy. The two tribs nearby upstream contribute those wild brookies. Same with the wild fish across from your house and downstream to the TCA.
Johnny Utah
You're no daisy
Is that fish really wild? How can you tell? Wasnt the musky stocked recently there? Its a nice brookie for sure but I mean biologist even have a hard time telling a stocked fingerling when it gets to be that size in the stream. Brian salesman are you also a biologist? Maybe people meant to be saying the wilds are ABOVE change water? Hmm no dont think so. But hey Im no biologist either!
You truly are a colon cowboy (thank you Simms)....how is it that no one knows anything but you? All you do is try to show others up, while not offering up any evidence that you are correct.
What does this mean?
In the words of Bart Simpson - You suck and blow at the same time!
Regards,
Mel
Johnny Utah
You're no daisy
Mel, I was merely asking how can we be certain its a wild fish. If you could read and comprehend you would understand that. But hey your not the first troll to throw stones at me, and im sure you wont be the last. Have a nice day mel.
Rusty Spinner
Active member
While I can't tell from that picture 100% if that fish is wild or not, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about! I regularly electro fish the Musky's tribs with NJ Division fisheries biologists and we routinely find native brookies in those tribs from the upper watershed to the lower watershed, all 42 miles of the river. And those brookies don't remain in those tribs, they enter the mainstem and move around. We know this for absolute fact.
Where did you get the idea that wild fish only live below Changewater? Off the top of my head, I would say the preponderance of wild fish are upstream of that area although, as I said earlier, they exist over the entire watershed (along with wild browns in some of those tribs). I have also seen mainstem spawning, but the Division rarely electro fishes the main river because they need boats and results are less predictable than the much smaller tribs, hence they do not consider the Musky as trout production (TP) water although by the end of my project I plan to put some focus on that area to prove we do have some mainstem spawning. Currently the Musky is trout maintenance (TM) with nearly all the tribs TP water.
One section of the mainstem where I routinely find wild brookies is near where PortMurrayAgn lives and in the upper sections of Pt. Mtn. TCA. When you catch a 4" or even a 7" brookie with perfect fins, knowing full well the Division stocks nothing smaller than 10" - 11", it doesn't take a biologist to figure out what's going on.
G Lech
New member
HHMMM I think I need to spend some time on the musky tribs
I love me some wild brookies.
Now I gotta get my map out!
THANKS RUSTY!!
Rusty Spinner
Active member
No need to work that hard, I'll toss you a few bones. Just give me a call later, running out to play "salesman" and show State Parks and Forestry's regional superintendent why he needs to help us remove an asbestos dump and its negative effects on the river's morphology. Oh yeah, in addition to not being a trained fisheries biologist, I'm also not a fluvial geomorphologist, but somehow I get by in the job
Hey Utah, my young friend. The late Steven Jobs dropped out of college after one year. Clearly he had no business whatsoever attempting to run Apple Computers and certainly had no knowledge of the issues at hand when it came to computers. Bill Gates? Also no college degree in his field...am I trying to compare myself to those business titans? Heck no, they know jack squat about wild trout.
:rofl:
PortMurrayAgn
New member
I guessed it was wild from the fins....the fins and the fact that that trout puts on body glitter to go clubbing in NYC.
Johnny Utah
You're no daisy
No need to work that hard, I'll toss you a few bones. Just give me a call later, running out to play "salesman" and show State Parks and Forestry's regional superintendent why he needs to help us remove an asbestos dump and its negative effects on the river's morphology. Oh yeah, in addition to not being a trained fisheries biologist, I'm also not a fluvial geomorphologist, but somehow I get by in the job
Hey Utah, my young friend. The late Steven Jobs dropped out of college after one year. Clearly he had no business whatsoever attempting to run Apple Computers and certainly had no knowledge of the issues at hand when it came to computers. Bill Gates? Also no college degree in his field...am I trying to compare myself to those business titans? Heck no, they know jack squat about wild trout.
:rofl:
Why would you feel the need to defending yourself and your qualifications for the job you do? I wasn't questioning that. So dont worry, and perhaps you shouldn't point out about how your under qualified for the job you do so well!!!.
I was merely fishing some questions my OLD friend, and it was you that i wanted to answer those questions. I call you Rusty salesman because if you look yourself up it says how you were in sales. Dont mean nothing by it Brian.
It makes sense that if tribs have wilds that you will find some wild in the main river close in the area of the tribs. I can understand how you deduced that it was a wild char. But I just question it as they did stock the area and they do stock the area. You know or should know that the fins dont always mean its a wild. I am sure you have seen plenty of hatchery raised trout that have perfect fins and hold overs as well.
So the state does not stock fingerlings of char ever? Also do they not stock fingering browns or bows??? If they dont then musky has wild on three. I know for sure it has wild char and brown trout.
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That it does G, that it does. :shrug:
Johnny Utah
You're no daisy
I have caught many several 5" rainbow trout on the musky over the years. Is it safe to say they were wild????
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Wait a minute..... You were dry flying???
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Wait a minute..... You were dry flying???
Mel everyone knows of a guy who knows everything, we here on N.E.F.F. have Jonny Mudbucket.
Even though Mudbucket knows a lot of everything, you just gotta ask yourself...
Why doesn't he have a job?
This is America after all and brain power runs the country and industry.
Maybe if you have too much brain power, which such knowledge maybe the only thing
you are really capable of doing is summertime work competing for positions against
the high school kids.
Besides, having a summer time job gives Mudbucket more time to devote to the study
of the universe and post his results here.
Yeah we all know people that know everything but capable of nothing.
Course Mudbucket does like to ask a lot of questions like, "Want fries with that?"
Johnny Utah
You're no daisy
Rusty Spinner
Active member
Why would you feel the need to defending yourself and your qualifications for the job you do? I wasn't questioning that. So dont worry, and perhaps you shouldn't point out about how your under qualified for the job you do so well!!!.
I was merely fishing some questions my OLD friend, and it was you that i wanted to answer those questions. I call you Rusty salesman because if you look yourself up it says how you were in sales. Dont mean nothing by it Brian.
It makes sense that if tribs have wilds that you will find some wild in the main river close in the area of the tribs. I can understand how you deduced that it was a wild char. But I just question it as they did stock the area and they do stock the area. You know or should know that the fins dont always mean its a wild. I am sure you have seen plenty of hatchery raised trout that have perfect fins and hold overs as well.
So the state does not stock fingerlings of char ever? Also do they not stock fingering browns or bows??? If they dont then musky has wild on three. I know for sure it has wild char and brown trout.
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That it does G, that it does. :shrug:
The Division never stocks fingerling brookies or browns in the Musky, at least not in the past 10 years. Three years ago now, they did stock fingerling rainbows in the Musky that were extra fish. That happened in late August as I recall and I was getting calls and emails asking if there were wild bows in the Musky (there are not, including all tribs sampled). But I think most anglers would be surprised at the # of wild fish they catch in rivers like the Musky and SBR to name a couple. Even if the larger rivers see little mainstem spawning, their tribs see a ton of spawning.
Agust
Resident TU Rat Bastard
That depends, there is at least one trib that has a pretty solid head of wild spawning rainbows, but for the most part they don't get into the main stem much. The state regularly stocks "culls", which are 3-5 inch rainbows usually in late summer or early fall when raceways get crowded.
So the chances of your 5" rainbows being wild are slim, but possible. And probably easier to determine based on where and when you caught them. If you are catching brookies or browns that are under 7" the chances of them being wild are pretty good but as with all things there are no sure things. It is still possible they are escapees from Musky Hatchery or released by TIC or just runts from Pequest.
To me the fact that the fish "might" be wild is enough.
