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Wild NY Bugs

Future Fanatic

Future Fanatic

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I have a little intermittent stream 75 feet away from my house. This morning I noticed some bugs resting in the trees arching over it.

Who can be the first to ID them? One or all...

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#1 looks like a March Brown, #3 a Cahill, and the last looks like a Brown Drake (Isonychia). Its hard to tell the size so I am assuming they were in the 12-14 range.

The Stone Fly looks fairly light colored (Yellow Sally?) and I would have to see the bottom and size of the caddis to make a guess.
 
First is a March Brown spinner, second is black caddis (Psilotreta), light cahill, the infamous crane fly, golden stone, and iso spinner. Do I win some Alpaca steaks, or a slightly used triangle taper?
 
Trout Nazi said:
First is a March Brown spinner, second is black caddis (Psilotreta), light cahill, the infamous crane fly, golden stone, and iso spinner. Do I win some Alpaca steaks, or a slightly used triangle taper?
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Neither. You win a free dinner with Moochelle, well free for her, you have to pay for it.
 
mayfly, caddis fly, mayfly, crane fly, stonefly and mayfly :victory:

thats a winner winner chicken dinner!!! :victory:
 
WBDluver said:
Green drake spinner, caddis, green drake, crane fly, stone fly, Isonichya
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You're way wrong, you butt monkey, count the tails. Maybe then you wouldn't be catching dinks like in your avatar. Then again, you're probably used to holding very small things in your hands.
 
I'm surprised that an intermittent stream has such great insect life. Since those types of streams completely dry up, then wouldn't that mean sayonara for the bug eggs? Or would it be more like vernal pools where the lack of fish actually gives an advantage to the eggs.
 
Barleywine said:
I'm surprised that an intermittent stream has such great insect life. Since those types of streams completely dry up, then wouldn't that mean sayonara for the bug eggs? Or would it be more like vernal pools where the lack of fish actually gives an advantage to the eggs.
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The key is, at least for MY intermittent stream, is that it is full of gravel and rock(and sands) that have come down the "gully" over the years. When it does "dry up" water still flows through the material that fills the gully, often, JUST below the surface. I've been posting the "same photos" of these bugs for about ten years... :)

I'll try to post a photo of it...
 
FF you thread states that they are Wild NY bugs. I just want to know. What is the difference between a wild NY bug and a non wild NY bug. Are they not native? I don't know, they sat there and let you photograph them. They look pretty tame to me:shrug:.
 
Future Fanatic said:
I've been posting the "same photos" of these bugs for about ten years....
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Yikes! All work and no play makes FF a dull boy? I'm starting to agree with Thursthouse's conclusion about alpaca farming. Isn't there a movie theater or a bowling alley or something up there? Maybe some oddly colored deer you can take photos of? :)
 
mob201 said:
Yikes! All work and no play makes FF a dull boy? I'm starting to agree with Thursthouse's conclusion about alpaca farming. Isn't there a movie theater or a bowling alley or something up there? Maybe some oddly colored deer you can take photos of? :)
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I post six pics and that indicates I have too much time on my hands? Or too little?

What are these movie theaters and bowling alleys you speak of? (this bowling alley isn't the place where you city folk go to smoke that whacky weed out of them new-fangled metal pipes, is it?)

The only time things get a little Shiningesque is, predictably, during late winter. The other times of year, work and play are wonderfully intertwined, as it was this morning. Mostly...
 
mob201 said:
Yikes! All work and no play makes FF a dull boy? I'm starting to agree with Thursthouse's conclusion about alpaca farming. Isn't there a movie theater or a bowling alley or something up there? Maybe some oddly colored deer you can take photos of? :)
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Shhhhhh, don't give him any ideas or the locals will grow restless. What's a guy to do on a Saturday night if not some local cow-tipping? :crap:
 
When I read the title to this thread, I couldn't help but ask myself...

Does New York stock any of its streams with bugs?

If so, perhaps a thread a thread titled "Stocked NY Bugs" is in order.
 
Future Fanatic said:
The key is, at least for MY intermittent stream, is that it is full of gravel and rock(and sands) that have come down the "gully" over the years. When it does "dry up" water still flows through the material that fills the gully, often, JUST below the surface. I've been posting the "same photos" of these bugs for about ten years... :)

I'll try to post a photo of it...
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I'm not sure that this photo is representative of the entire length of my little gem of a "stream", but it does, sort of, show the depth of this "natural ditch". Over the course of about 1500' it drops about 175'. It begins in a sort of saddle between two hills. Years where there is huge Spring runoff have carved the ditch through some (now) pine woods (gentle slope)then wild apple orchard(steep slope) after which it levels out at a pasture before entering a brook. The carved ditch has filled with rock, gravel, sand and silt to a depth of between 2-4 feet. We've had wet years where its always had SOME water in it and dry years where to the eye, it seems bone dry. But the bugs are there...

And THIS bug:
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Various experienced fishermen have proposed it is a March Brown Spinner, a Green Drake, A Hexagenia... I've also been told AND BELIEVED for years it's a quill Gordon...
Isn't it interesting that they are ALL looking at the same bug...

I'm not intending any disrespect to ANYONE, but it makes one wonder if reports are "reliable" from folks as to what they saw happening on the water ...
 
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Future Fanatic said:
I'm not intending any disrespect to ANYONE, but it makes one wonder if reports are "reliable" from folks as to what they saw happening on the water ...
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Agreed. Though I think this might say as much about the bugs as it does about the fishermen. There's so much variation, even entomologists are constantly second-guessing themselves (March Browns vs. Gray Foxes, etc.).
 
I was going to take a stab at your bugs, but budgets got moved up one week during my busiest season and I haven't gotten to it. I will say I'm struggling with some of them. What anglers need to understand is that 80% of the bugs we imitate are "common" and 20% or more depending on region are "locally common". So you may see a hatch on one stream that you never see anywhere else, and fish will be on those bugs like white on rice. I remember one evening on the lower KLG (before Al Gore invented the internet and ruined that water) where some mayfly I never saw before or since was all over the water and fish were on them. Since they were a pale yellow color, I managed with some sulphur imitations, but it sure wasn't one of our common sulphurs nor was it sulphur time. I tell newbies I guide to catch a bug and look at the color and size and go from there.

I'm 100% confident that our trout have not been taught the Latin names of aquatic insects and are totally unimpressed with those of us that know the names.:)
 
I am more interested in that wild apple orchard you spoke of......In mid-May go look there for Morel mushrooms..they love old wild apple orchards.....
 
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