I've read a few posts talking about warranty which I can understand for manufacturer defects over the life of the rod to an extent but when someone closes their rod in a car door or trunk etc. and expects a new rod or part I say too bad, no wonder some rod companies are struggling. I have T&T's and some have many years of hard use. Granted they are not pretty any more, just well used looking and they are still to this day my go to rods or maybe I should just break them over my Knee and get new pretty rods. I think that's why Sage and other big market rod companies are relying on over seas blanks or finished rods to make up most of their sales. They look cheap and are cheap "Made in America" what a joke, the Rod Companies Trying to make in the USA Are having Trouble beacause of this fricken stupid Ass lifetime unconditional warranty who started all this Redington. this is just my opinion Though:finger:
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Warranty?
- Thread starter Killiane
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Trouser Trout
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
Back off the ledge Killiane..... you sound like you need a hug.... And, come on buddy, you can't go flying everybody the bird on your first post... these things take time......
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strike proof
my presentation promotes trout safety
Tight Louper
Just finished a River Runs Through it!
Purchase an Orvis Helios, Zero Gravity, T3, TLS, Superfine (since 01/01/88), Clearwater, Clearwater II, or Custom fly rod and we will repair or replace it no matter what the reason, for a quarter of a century. Step on it, close the door on it, run over it with the car-it doesn't matter, we'll fix it. If we can't repair it, we'll choose a current fly rod of at least equal value to replace it. Your investment is assured for a nominal shipping and handling charge.
~Fly Rod Repair Warranty Information -- Orvis
Written like fine poetry. with a warranty like that why wouldn't someone expect it to be honored.
~Fly Rod Repair Warranty Information -- Orvis
Written like fine poetry. with a warranty like that why wouldn't someone expect it to be honored.
afishinado
Fishizzle, I use worms but I'm looking to upgrade!
Sage rods, all models are made in the US. The higher-end Winston and Orvis are made in the US, some of their cheaper models are however made in overseas. All Scott rods are US made I believe. T&T is US made but have run into financial trouble. There was a thread on here recently about that. BTW, Sage bought Redington to compete in the lower price rod market, and they are made overseas.
I too resent paying for the no fault breakage policy of many of the rod companies, although most charge a fee for repairing or replacing a rod unless it has an obvious defect, we all pay for this policy I'm afraid.
Trouser Trout
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
Killiane, how could you have a problem with this? Its simply a great company standing behind their product.
The value of a good warranty:
About 15 years ago i purchased an Orvis Silver Label, mid flex, 8.5' 5wt rod at their annual tent sale in Manchester. I fished the rod many many times, never abused it. Two years ago I broke the rod in half at around the third guide from the tip, happened during a cast. This year I finally got around to inquiring about the warranty, I emailed orvis, they issued me a repair #, i shipped it to them last tuesday, they emailed me a confirmation that my rod was received, and yesterday about 6PM while slugging down a Martini, I saw a UPS truck come up my driveway, sent one of my kids out to fetch the package, having no idea what it was, i opened it and it contained a brand new Orvis Power Matrix TLS 8.5' mid flex 5wt. The entire warranty replacement process took exactly one week, I received a better rod, and since the rod was manufactured before 2003 the $25 charge was waived. This is one of the many reasons why I love Orvis.<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
And, back at ya:finger:.....LOL
The value of a good warranty:
About 15 years ago i purchased an Orvis Silver Label, mid flex, 8.5' 5wt rod at their annual tent sale in Manchester. I fished the rod many many times, never abused it. Two years ago I broke the rod in half at around the third guide from the tip, happened during a cast. This year I finally got around to inquiring about the warranty, I emailed orvis, they issued me a repair #, i shipped it to them last tuesday, they emailed me a confirmation that my rod was received, and yesterday about 6PM while slugging down a Martini, I saw a UPS truck come up my driveway, sent one of my kids out to fetch the package, having no idea what it was, i opened it and it contained a brand new Orvis Power Matrix TLS 8.5' mid flex 5wt. The entire warranty replacement process took exactly one week, I received a better rod, and since the rod was manufactured before 2003 the $25 charge was waived. This is one of the many reasons why I love Orvis.<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
And, back at ya:finger:.....LOL
LyNcH
Dries, wets, nymphs and streamers...it's all good!
So are you suggesting that T&T is in financial trouble over honoring their warranty?
It's my understanding that rod companies figure into the cost of the rod having to replaced it 3 times. If this is their actual figured in replacement cost, I dare say that they are making out very well. I have over 10 fly rods, which I think is typical for any angler who has been fishing for maybe 3+ years, and I have only had to have one rod repaired for........:rant: shutting it in the truck door. But, when I spend the $400 on the rod, I knew if I did such a stupid act, the rod would be replaced, and it was.
It's my understanding that rod companies figure into the cost of the rod having to replaced it 3 times. If this is their actual figured in replacement cost, I dare say that they are making out very well. I have over 10 fly rods, which I think is typical for any angler who has been fishing for maybe 3+ years, and I have only had to have one rod repaired for........:rant: shutting it in the truck door. But, when I spend the $400 on the rod, I knew if I did such a stupid act, the rod would be replaced, and it was.
clearstream
New member
Hey Killiane: :give-the-finger:
Keep your opinions to yourself, you're an idiot.
Keep your opinions to yourself, you're an idiot.
Lynch thanks for the reply 1 out of 10 in the car door I can see why the customer service for which brand you fish with treated you decent nothing wrong with that ratio. thats a lot of money tied up in rods . I've also posted on a couple other Forums. I new I would get some shit over this but I didn't think it woud be this much. Some posts I understand, most I don't. I guess if you work for a rod company or close to somebody that does, you Know what your talking about. I was told dealers and reps get 40 to 50% off retail and alot of the bigger contracts get that. Retail is better of coarse, but I guess you need reps to push Quantity, and dealers to have them on the shelves. Or is selling direct with just a few big dealers better. Over seas blanks are $7.00 to specific taper a finished rod is like $25.00 if you order a fairly Large Quantity. I have cast some Korean Blanks made into rods and I thought they were pretty damn good. Thats my Problem, I don't see how your going to make a finished rod in the US to sell for less than $100.00 maybe more. I mean aren't thier alot of hands that touch that thing before it ships, or is it in most situations people don't really care as long as it looks fairly decent and the specs. are right on from the rod Designer, who ever that maybe and oh yeah and a( Limited) warranty then maybe it wouldn,t be so bad for the smaller companies that are struggling. There are more korean blanks coming from over seas than most flyfisherman relize. I Know my Winstons,and T&Ts are American made. The only over seas rod I own is a Loop which is a sweet tool. Hey thanks again Most of you guys can go Fuck yourselves.
dcabarle
Administrator
I really don't see where anyone gave you the shit you were looking for. You must have read a bit too far into some of the replies or read them out of context.
Trouser Trout - obviously yanking your balls
Strike Proof - also yankin your balls
tight louper - offering an explaination
Trout Nazi
And...Boom goes the dynamite.
Or, most US rod makers are struggling because they are small outfits, need to keep margins high since they are not high volume to begin with, and are not moving enough product in these times to cover their labor and over head. How many people actually fly fish, and out of those people how many are spending $500-800 each year buying a high-end rod (all you high-rolling crack heads don't count, your not the majority)?
dcabarle
Administrator
It's clear to me who these rod company's are targeting. I used to purchase 2 rods a year. I haven't purchased a rod in 3 years because I think they're over priced.
My next rod will be a Sage but I won't be paying 800 bux for it, I won't even pay 600 for it. I'll buy it used somewhere for 400, which I think is a reasonable price for a high end rod (and if it breaks due to something stupid that I've done, I'd be happy to pay $75-$85 for a section and up to $100 for the butt section) but no more than that. If it's a manufacturing defect, I'd expect to pay ZERO.
My next rod will be a Sage but I won't be paying 800 bux for it, I won't even pay 600 for it. I'll buy it used somewhere for 400, which I think is a reasonable price for a high end rod (and if it breaks due to something stupid that I've done, I'd be happy to pay $75-$85 for a section and up to $100 for the butt section) but no more than that. If it's a manufacturing defect, I'd expect to pay ZERO.
LyNcH
Dries, wets, nymphs and streamers...it's all good!
I'm serious when I say this. Take a course and learn how to build rods, if you like doing this type of thing. If you like and can tie a fly, than you can build a rod.
I started building rods a little over 2 years ago and find it to be veru relaxing and rewarding. It's nice to catch a fish with a fly you tied, but how about adding on a rod that you just built?
A huge advantage to building a rod is the customization of it. You can pick you guides, reel seats, grips, thread colors and patterns and so forth. On top of that, you can build a rod for half of what they cost new, and this is buying the blanks from companies like mudhole/feathercraft/angler's habitat etc. as I am not a business and don't have a tax ID for it.
I myself won't spend $800-$900 a rod either. But when I can build a Sage Z-axis that would cost $800 for under $400, the time and rewards are worth it. The blanks are also warrantied for life, regardless of who the owner is.
I just wish Orvis would offer a few more blanks than they do.
I started building rods a little over 2 years ago and find it to be veru relaxing and rewarding. It's nice to catch a fish with a fly you tied, but how about adding on a rod that you just built?
A huge advantage to building a rod is the customization of it. You can pick you guides, reel seats, grips, thread colors and patterns and so forth. On top of that, you can build a rod for half of what they cost new, and this is buying the blanks from companies like mudhole/feathercraft/angler's habitat etc. as I am not a business and don't have a tax ID for it.
I myself won't spend $800-$900 a rod either. But when I can build a Sage Z-axis that would cost $800 for under $400, the time and rewards are worth it. The blanks are also warrantied for life, regardless of who the owner is.
I just wish Orvis would offer a few more blanks than they do.
Trout Nazi
And...Boom goes the dynamite.
Like I said, if most of these American companies were big outfits with huge volumes, the price wouldn't be $5-800 bucks a rod.
Having said that, buying a rod like this is a choice, you buy it because you appreciate the craftsmanship and the fact that its made in the US of A. If you choose not to buy one, thats fine, just don't bitch and moan that the economy sucks and that we're subbing out American manufacturing over seas.
Having said that, buying a rod like this is a choice, you buy it because you appreciate the craftsmanship and the fact that its made in the US of A. If you choose not to buy one, thats fine, just don't bitch and moan that the economy sucks and that we're subbing out American manufacturing over seas.
Trouser Trout
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
Well said, and on that same note, it really chaps my ass when I hear somebody run on and on about how great their toyota or their honda runs, my ford trucks have gotten over 200k miles on them and I still drove them to the dealer where I traded them in. Also, all we heard about during the early 90's was how important it was to open up the Chinese marketplace and how we needed their manufacturing ability and cheap labor, in the global marketplace. how's that working out? Our country is at 10%, unemployment, although our consumption is way down Oil is still $80 per barrel because now we have a new country with 1.3 billion people competing with us consuming the same barrel of oil, nobody has a clue as to what the real valuation of their currency should be pegged to, yet they are now our creditors holding countless billions of our debt, man do I thank God it was so damn inmportant to us to open up the Chinese market for all that good old fashioned cheap labor.
Trout Nazi
And...Boom goes the dynamite.
What would we do, how would we live, without all that cheap, plastic shit from China. The only thing this whole thing has been good for is China, Walmart, and Target, the purveyors of cheap plastic shit from China.
Trouser Trout
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
Well said trout nazi, what also needs to be mentioned is how we stood up to, fought and defeated communism in the the cold war, and little more than 20 years after the fall of the berlin wall we are squarely ensconced in a 100% self induced losing trade battle with communists by a different name.
Eagle Claw
Trout Hunter
I would love to see some high end company offer the consumer two prices, with and without warrantee, I have to believe you are paying for the second or third rod whether you break it or not. I would settle for paying for just one rod and take some personal responsibility for it. I recently bought a used rod for 250, then saw another and bought it as a back up for 275, thats 525 total. The rod sold for $850 new. I can buy a third backup and still not pay $850.
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Trout Nazi
And...Boom goes the dynamite.
If I owned said high end company, why would I offer a rod with no warranty? So that I can listen to people bitch on the internet about how bad my product is after they break it, and its not replaced? Because that is exactly what will happen.
I already sent my high-end rod in to be repaired for a bone-headed move on my part. Extra money was worth it for me. This was alot cheaper than buying a new rod.
I already sent my high-end rod in to be repaired for a bone-headed move on my part. Extra money was worth it for me. This was alot cheaper than buying a new rod.
Eagle Claw
Trout Hunter
A choice would allow everyone to own a great rod and the company would sell more of them. If you want to pay for three rods when you buy your one high end rod that is your choice. I would go the other route and replace it later rather than up front.
LyNcH
Dries, wets, nymphs and streamers...it's all good!
Sounds like you already made your choice & if it works for you great. Don't expect to see what your asking for. It would cost a rod company a ton of money just to set up, monitor and administer a system like this. As already stated, I build my rods to save on costs, yet they are still covered. If I buy a rod, I try to find a used one with a warranty card. Most rod buyers don't send their cards in unless the rod breaks, which increases the value of the rod when they go to sell it.
LyNcH
Dries, wets, nymphs and streamers...it's all good!
Love the warranty
Interesting how after these posts, the warranty issue comes to life for me. So I'm fishing in a Lake ontario trib with by Beulah 8/9 switch rod, get hung up on the bottom and the rod tip breaks about 2/3 down the tip section. I was not yanking and cranking on the rod to loosen my fly, yet it still broke. Granted, I have fought countless salmon and steelhead on this rod over the last 2 years. Either way, I called Beulah, sent the rod back to them with the warranty fee and I should have it back by the end of this week.
Good job Beulah, the rod was already worth the money prior to this incident.
Interesting how after these posts, the warranty issue comes to life for me. So I'm fishing in a Lake ontario trib with by Beulah 8/9 switch rod, get hung up on the bottom and the rod tip breaks about 2/3 down the tip section. I was not yanking and cranking on the rod to loosen my fly, yet it still broke. Granted, I have fought countless salmon and steelhead on this rod over the last 2 years. Either way, I called Beulah, sent the rod back to them with the warranty fee and I should have it back by the end of this week.
Good job Beulah, the rod was already worth the money prior to this incident.
