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Saving the Chuitna River

CTobias

Professional BS'r
I'm sure many of you are not aware of this, but a mining company from Delaware, PacRim, wants to take 100% of the water in the Chuitna River to be used in their coal mining operation there. They also want to rip out 11 miles of the river to dig down 300'. They have promised to save the genetics of all the salmon species in the Chuitna and build a hatchery to make the fishery "better than it ever was". We all know this is not true.

Here is a opinion piece I have written that will possibly be published in some of the local papers in the area.


Coal or Salmon?


That is the question that many Alaskan’s have been hearing for a few years, but especially as of late, and for good reason. The question is much deeper than 300 feet below the Chuitna River. If it has no emotional effect on you, then reading this piece may not sway you one way or the other.


The question is a very valid one. Do we allow an outside company from Delaware, PacRim, to come into our backyard and destroy an entire ecosystem for profit? Forget the fact that PacRim is an outside company, but why let any company come in and destroy an entire ecosystem?


PacRim says they’re going to save the genetics of the salmon within the Chuitna Drainage and then create a hatchery to restock the river. This in turn, will make it “better than it ever was”. This is laughable at best. Unless PacRim plans on spending billions of dollars, which would negate all of their profit, to repair the hyporheic of the Chuitna, then their words are empty and just that. Words. Besides, what person prefers hatchery mutants over wild fish?


Salmon are a very important part of our ecosystem, as stated by the Wild Salmon Center;


"Salmon are inseparable from their freshwater and estuarine ecosystems. This is true of all species, but especially true of salmon. Juvenile salmon and steelhead use the entire river ecosystem, from headwaters to the ocean. They are extremely sensitive to changes in water quality, trophic webs and upstream perturbations to the river flow, turbidity and temperature. Juvenile salmonids feed on freshwater invertebrates that are also indicators of water quality. Generally, the more pristine, diverse and productive the freshwater ecosystem is, the healthier the salmon stocks. Declines in the capacity of a watershed to grow juvenile salmonids can indicate declining ecosystem health."


To me it is clear as day to deny PacRim, or any company, the right to totally destroy an entire ecosystem. They say that we are just victims of the “not in my backyard” mentality. You’re damn right not in my backyard. It doesn’t matter if the Chuitna River was fifteen or fifteen hundred miles away from my home. I still wouldn’t agree with anyone destroying a river so they can fatten their wallets and provide China with cheap energy.


The coal isn’t cheap energy. Allowing PacRim to destroy the Chuitna River would be taking the potential lives of millions of salmon, not to mention every other animal that relies on the Chuitna River for their survival. The decisions we make today impact more than just what happens tomorrow. They will last for generations to come.


For those that haven’t been paying attention, chinook salmon numbers within Cook Inlet are down. The fact that the State of Alaska is actually considering letting a company come in and destroy 11 miles of a wild salmon river, and an entire ecosystem, just blows my mind.


It’s time the residents of Alaska make their voices heard. Don’t let politicians who are influenced by lobbyists, and other outside duplicitous groups, decide what happens within this state. We are Alaskans because we are strong and independent. But, when it comes to the fate of a river, fishery, livelihood, and an entire ecosystem, then we as Alaskans need to come together for the common good of our resources. Get out and make your voices heard. Support all of the groups looking to put an end to this proposed destruction.


Christopher Tobias lives with his family in Wasilla and is a Professional Fishing Guide.
 
I like the piece.

Wildly hypocritical when viewed against the ultra conservative views you normally express but I like it non the less.
 
I like the piece.

Wildly hypocritical when viewed against the ultra conservative views you normally express but I like it non the less.

Haha. I wouldn't say hypocritical. I'm still a conservationist, even if I do despise this administration.
 
Perhaps you have misjudged his views...just a thought
I like the piece.

Wildly hypocritical when viewed against the ultra conservative views you normally express but I like it non the less.
 
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There are some big words in that piece...I had to Google some of them....well done Tobias!!!!!

It is great and it is right.

The ecosystem Tobias describes is the product of millions of years of creative effort, in the struggle to survive...

To think that big money could come in, and take Tobias's place, as a guide who is part of that creative effort, of survival on the water, and just dump hatchery fish over that destruction...

Its like smashing a Michelangelo, and replacing it with a cardboard cut out...

We need to be very careful about capitalism, folks.

My understanding is that capitalists compete, and innovate.

They come up with new and better ideas, always.

New generations of technology...

Not coal.

Coal aint a human innovation.

Its been there for eons, and is exploited by capital.

That aint capitalism.

Tobias is the capitalist, who has to create something new and original to survive.

Good stuff...
 
Oh brother

It is great and it is right.

The ecosystem Tobias describes is the product of millions of years of creative effort, in the struggle to survive...

To think that big money could come in, and take Tobias's place, as a guide who is part of that creative effort, of survival on the water, and just dump hatchery fish over that destruction...

Its like smashing a Michelangelo, and replacing it with a cardboard cut out...

We need to be very careful about capitalism, folks.

My understanding is that capitalists compete, and innovate.

They come up with new and better ideas, always.

New generations of technology...

Not coal.

Coal aint a human innovation.

Its been there for eons, and is exploited by capital.

That aint capitalism.

Tobias is the capitalist, who has to create something new and original to survive.

Good stuff...
 
I find inconstancies in management like this unfathomable. Where is The Grand Poobah Chris Wood on this? He tries to rally the troops with editorials about preserving drainage ditches; the so called “Seasonal flow tributaries” on the Potomac to keep a farmer from building a bridge across some random sun baked mud wallow. I don’t get it. On the other side of the spectrum, Brian Cowden is attempting to do some good and fix the Musky . He runs into a snag because of blow back pertaining to Mussels. Where is the real fight in TU? This is the exact reason TU was established. Perhaps Mr Woods should get out of bed with Gina McCarthy and do the job that TU designated him to do and stop F@@@ing with Farmers and go after some of these big money players that apparently are above the laws.
 
Big business works like the Freenge Rules of Acquisition, profit over all. The only way a thing like this doesn't get done is if the career politicians fear for their jobs because of mass unrest by their constituents, that threaten to throw them out for their approval of such a project. Otherwise the pols access is gained through big money and the deal gets the ok. But that's capitalism, for better or for worse.
 
Big business works like the Freenge Rules of Acquisition, profit over all. The only way a thing like this doesn't get done is if the career politicians fear for their jobs because of mass unrest by their constituents, that threaten to throw them out for their approval of such a project. Otherwise the pols access is gained through big money and the deal gets the ok. But that's capitalism, for better or for worse.

its all semantics.

I dont consider big oil and big coal to be capitalist.

they innovate nothing.

they create nothing.

they destroy environments.

Coal is not innovated.

So if innovation is capitalism, then coal mining and wrecking rivers to do it aint capitalism.
 
its all semantics.

I dont consider big oil and big coal to be capitalist.

they innovate nothing.

they create nothing.

they destroy environments.

Coal is not innovated.

So if innovation is capitalism, then coal mining and wrecking rivers to do it aint capitalism.

Sorry Beetle. I looked at a slew of definitions of capitalism and not one used the word "innovation", not even in the synonyms. However the word "profit" shows up quite a few times.
 
Sorry Beetle. I looked at a slew of definitions of capitalism and not one used the word "innovation", not even in the synonyms. However the word "profit" shows up quite a few times.

Fair enough.

The problem is capitalism, with this one caveat...

Innovators need to be allowed to innovate, as in technology.

These ass clowns who innovate nothing and destroy a river for 25 years should be tightly regulated.
 
Wait this wasn't about capitalism. You are confused.
Fair enough.

The problem is capitalism, with this one caveat...

Innovators need to be allowed to innovate, as in technology.

These ass clowns who innovate nothing and destroy a river for 25 years should be tightly regulated.
 
If they let this mine happen, it sets a precedent for that whole area, with a potential for more mines and more destruction of wild salmon habitat.
 
I don’t believe this a Capitalism problem. This is bureaucratic lobbing problem. If the EPA is so against further devolvement of fossil fuel resources, this should be a non issue. Just take NY State and the franking ban. Where is the difference? It lies with private land owners versus big money. The land owners’ do not have the monetary resources to maintain a conducive argument with the powers that be (campaign contributions). This is the exact reason Capitalism is not work in the way that it should be. Both sides of the isle talk a good game but in the back room they are all giggles and hugs with each other. Don’t be naïve and think China does not have their hand in this in some way. They need the coal to fuel their economic engine. I had to dig deep on both Greenpeace and The Sierra clubs websites to find anything on this. You would think this would be on page one of both sites. It just shows that they are both just part of the Machine. What I found the most appalling; there is not one mention on TU’s web site on this issue.
 
I don’t believe this a Capitalism problem. This is bureaucratic lobbing problem. If the EPA is so against further devolvement of fossil fuel resources, this should be a non issue. Just take NY State and the franking ban. Where is the difference? It lies with private land owners versus big money. The land owners’ do not have the monetary resources to maintain a conducive argument with the powers that be (campaign contributions). This is the exact reason Capitalism is not work in the way that it should be. Both sides of the isle talk a good game but in the back room they are all giggles and hugs with each other. Don’t be naïve and think China does not have their hand in this in some way. They need the coal to fuel their economic engine. I had to dig deep on both Greenpeace and The Sierra clubs websites to find anything on this. You would think this would be on page one of both sites. It just shows that they are both just part of the Machine. What I found the most appalling; there is not one mention on TU’s web site on this issue.

We will cover it at GB Mag.

Our new issue is out!

Http://goldenbeetle.net
 
its all semantics.

I dont consider big oil and big coal to be capitalist.

they innovate nothing.

they create nothing.

they destroy environments.

Coal is not innovated.

So if innovation is capitalism, then coal mining and wrecking rivers to do it aint capitalism.

I get the "spirit" of your argument here but I dont know if you could say E&P companies like exxon and bp are not innovative and create nothing.

The level of engineering talent and amount of money put into r&d probably makes the oil industry one of the most innovative in the world. Right up there with medicine, military, ect..

All in all though it probably pales in comparision to all your contributions to humanity via internet forums though.
 
I get the "spirit" of your argument here but I dont know if you could say E&P companies like exxon and bp are not innovative and create nothing.

The level of engineering talent and amount of money put into r&d probably makes the oil industry one of the most innovative in the world. Right up there with medicine, military, ect..

All in all though it probably pales in comparision to all your contributions to humanity via internet forums though.

I don't believe beetle thinks that resource like coal and oil should belong to companies to be sold. He would rather it be controlled by the government given to everyone. In other words he would prefer the model Venezuela has undertaken:)
 
I don't believe beetle thinks that resource like coal and oil should belong to companies to be sold. He would rather it be controlled by the government given to everyone. In other words he would prefer the model Venezuela has undertaken:)

Well said.

Just to be clear, I have no respect at all for people who profit huge off shit they didnt create. Like oil and gas.

Extract it, fine, but nobody should get rich off anything like that.

Now creative people and businessmen who take risks, like Joe D and even Tobias, I totally respect their work and hope they make it.

Joe D I respect.

Tobias, I want to have a chance to make it.

Lets bump this up so Tobias's river aint forgotten.
 
Well said.

Just to be clear, I have no respect at all for people who profit huge off shit they didnt create. Like oil and gas.

Extract it, fine, but nobody should get rich off anything like that.

Now creative people and businessmen who take risks, like Joe D and even Tobias, I totally respect their work and hope they make it.

Joe D I respect.

Tobias, I want to have a chance to make it.

Lets bump this up so Tobias's river aint forgotten.

Come on guy. A fishing guide taking risks but petroleum engineers don't? They may of not created the oil but they figured out how to extract it from miles underneath the ocean floor. People with creativity, intelligence and determination like that are the reason me and you could sit on our unimpressive asses and babble on the interrnet all day long. they deserve the money they make you fuckin bum.
 
Come on guy. A fishing guide taking risks but petroleum engineers don't? They may of not created the oil but they figured out how to extract it from miles underneath the ocean floor. People with creativity, intelligence and determination like that are the reason me and you could sit on our unimpressive asses and babble on the interrnet all day long. they deserve the money they make you fuckin bum.

I am having trouble following the logic of this thread. Any of it. Maybe I'm just dumb.

All I'll say is innovation is not necessarily good. I can innovate a new way to kidnap children or eat their puppies. That doesn't mean I deserve anyone's respect, or have the right to do either of these things.

In the case of natural resource extraction, innovation is often part of the problem, as companies find new ways to pull things out of the ground that are not covered by existing regulations.
 
I am having trouble following the logic of this thread. Any of it. Maybe I'm just dumb.

All I'll say is innovation is not necessarily good. I can innovate a new way to kidnap children or eat their puppies. That doesn't mean I deserve anyone's respect, or have the right to do either of these things.

In the case of natural resource extraction, innovation is often part of the problem, as companies find new ways to pull things out of the ground that are not covered by existing regulations.

Yea I agree you are fuckin dumb. Your first problem is that you think there is any logic to be found on this site.

eating puppies doesn't get you to work and back every morning and then keep you and your kids warm every night.

the way I see it, innovation is not the problem. Thats just human nature. It's regulation that's failing. Blame government. Blame the demand and our wasteful culture.
 
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