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Quill Gordons

JOE.T

Dry Flies Only
I thought I would put up a little helpful info for the Quill Gordons (Epeorus pleuralis) since they will be hatching before you know it.

They belong to the Family Heptageniidae and are clingers.

They will start hatching when the water temps get to 50 degrees for a few days in a row (April).They require very clean fast water with liitle to no pollution to thrive.Good populations of this species indicates clean water.

The nymphs will be found in fast to very fast riffles and or very swift water with a lot of oxygen.

This species unlike most others splits its shuck on the streams bottom and emerges off the bottom as a dun.As it ascends to the surface the wings are out of the nymphal schuck at a 45 deg angle.

Many guys nymph in what they call "non hatch periods",however this is not the case most of the time; unknown to the angler.Remember when Mayflies begin there hatching process the nymphs can be active for hours leading up to the actual transformation into the dun>So actually your are nymphing to imitate the naturals during a hatch period. This is the same with Caddis.The technique,as well as the size of the nymphs can be important.Hares ears and pheasnat tails in sizes 8-22 will cover just about every mayfly you will encounter in the NORTHEAST.




SUBSURFACE- A geat technique is to work a tanden nymph rig in a good set of riffs.I use a size 14 Hares ear with a bead head as the first fly with a split shot about 8 inches above it, and a quill gordon wet tied about 12 inches off the bend of the first fly.I also use a flymph I came up with which is a hares ear with cdc tied in at a 45 deg angle to the back of the pattern.


Cast the patterns across and slightly up stream from you and mend upstream imediatley,you should mend your line at least 2-3x, allowing the patterns to get to the bottom.After the third mend; your line will now be down and across from you.Let the line now swing until straight.

With this techinique you will imitate both the nymph drifting along the bottom,as well as the Dun emerging subsurface.

This method is exciting and fast pased.And very productive.

For the surface I use a comparadun size 14,epsecially with cold water temps,since it imitates the duns placid and long drift.If the water should get unseasonably warm than a Catskill-fly will usually work better since it imitates the duns getting of the water quicker.If they wont eat either than I use one of my cdc patterns(emerger).

I will present my pattern(cdc emerger) down and across stream but not in a normal fashion,with the fish below me and to my left I will present my fly to the right side of the fish(my left) and about 3-6 feet above the rise and sink it,than allow the pattern to swing into the trouts window,it will pop up like a cork in the feeding zone.You can also allow the pattern to stay wet so as its swinging it stayts right under the film.Either way will often lead to smashing takes.
This technique will obviously emaulate the natural popping thru the surface as a dun,or trying to break through the surface..

A good presentation is a must under any circumstances,however when you imitate what the fish are eating with a good presentation you will have greater success.Epecially in rivers with large wild trout.

MANY Quill gordon patterns for some reason are tied with gray/brown bodies.The actual color of the quill gordons body color is cream/olive.
 
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Joe... that's great thanks.

Your discussion once again points out why detailed knowledge of insects makes a big difference on the river. Quill Gordons (epeorus pleuralis), as you point out, are actually one of the few mayfly species that literally hatch under water. This knowledge is heavily leveraged in your fishing techniques. So for those of you that think that entamology is only for academics, take a close look at Joe's post and you'll realize that knowledge can make all the difference in the world streamside.l

Thanks agian for the post Joe. Your knowledge and desire to share it with others never ceases to amaze me!
 
Joe T.

Here you go again giving this info out. Again all I can say is thank you. This board has really been superb in the the past few days. Dennis, this is why I play on this board more than go to others. Good job and thanks for all the info.

Andy B
 
Andy B said:
Joe T.

Here you go again giving this info out. Again all I can say is thank you. This board has really been superb in the the past few days. Dennis, this is why I play on this board more than go to others. Good job and thanks for all the info.

Andy B
Thank you, Andy. I try to set it up in such a way that would be beneficial to all. One thing I like about the board is that if you want to do a search on something, it's very easy. For example... Say there was something by JoeT. posted last year on March Browns... You can do a search for all posts by the User or the subject!

Now, I have to thank everyone including yourself, who posts and keeps the board going. Without you guys, the board would be a site for weather and sports updates.

Thanks again to you and everyone else who participates in active discussions.

Dennis C.
 
Damn Joe, you did it again. That was fantastic, great info. You've actually made me really want to get out early this year again. I haven't fished much in April the last three seasons, but i'm goin' for it this year. Neopreans all ready to go. LOL. One thing though Joe.......you can't blame the guys for gettin' a bit off subject sometimes.........there are good reasons for that which should be obvious. Remember this IS the age of information, yours just happens to be a bit more pertinent, more consistantly. Don't forget now though, "all work and no play makes Joe .........or mark or anyone"..............dig? mark
 
Joe, with all due respect this is also a community of people and people tend to talk about a variety of topics and yes some may not be exactly about flyfishing but may hold interest for others. I would be bored to tears if all I could read about here were totally educational fishing posts. Political posts about the enviroment are just as valuable to some. Those posts in my mind are ok until people start disrespecting each other, than like any post where that happens it will be stopped. I guess what I'm saying is there are a lot more flavors here than one and we should respect them until they become problematic. This post is an example of discussion that can take place about different needs discussed in a civil manner. IMHO I think people would leave this board if they couldn't digress once in a while. Diversity isn't bad and no else seems to be complaining. Again with respect and I know you so I know youi'll know I mean that. Andre
 
Mark,

This was a serious comment on the information written by Joe T. Hey that was a good piece and he deserves credit for it.

Joe, by the way and with your permission, may I use it in as an article for the Catskill Fly Tyers Guild newsletter? Crediting you as the author of course.
 
You totally misunderstand Allan. Jeeze. First of all, i always give credit where credit is due. ALWAYS! I credited Joe before you did. Second, i was talkin' about that post you pulled. Or that Dennis pulled of yours, and the sudden change of heart towards.....................dig? I'm talkin' of the one where i gave you credit for thinking correctly. After i noticed yours pulled, i pulled mine. Now Allan, please stop being so testie all the time. mark.....
 
Alan

If you would like to put in the guild newsletter that would be great.However I will be the first to say that it neds to be edited for grammar!

ILL pm you later to discuss.

Thanks.
 
Joe,

Thanks and appreciate your consent. Grammar is know problem. I can screw it up as well as anyone(see?).

February issue is ready to go but will plan on using it for April issue. Just in time for season.
 
Guys, if you would like for me to edit it, I'll be glad to do so. pleas lemme no ; my edating skils are bar nun.
 
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