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PA gas well in trouble

Greed is a terrible thing when you place money ahead of common sense. The money's great if you have the mineral/gas/oil rights. You can move else where when you property is ruined an afford it , but what about the aquifers that get polluted in the process?
 
PA's DEP calls it "a significant spill". Well looks now to be relatively safe from explosion and it looks like the plan is to cap it and move on to another site. Wouldn't you be happy to have that well in your backyard and just have lost any revenue you thought was coming your way because a drill malfunctioned? Hope the lessee has a good attorney....

Gas company employee to landowner: Sorry that we had a slight mishap. The good news is that we'll cover the clean up costs. Bad news is you won't be getting any royalties from the lease. And your neighbors might be a touch angry with you. Thanks for letting us F-up your farm. We'll be sure to send you a nice Christmas card in December...:crap:
 
Your all hypocrits. Sell your cars, and ride a bike or walk everywhere if this is really what you believe in, put your money where your mouth is. You should also heat your homes with wood (that you harvest), and cook over it also. Its fine to get your gas and oil from a far away place because hey, its ok if they "ruin" their land, and not us. Out of sight, out of mind.
 
Fracking fluid or drilling mud? Big difference... I don't know, do you? I'm not sure why a drill bit would be in the well if they were fracking...
 
Greed is a terrible thing when you place money ahead of common sense.

How does this apply here?

The money's great if you have the mineral/gas/oil rights. You can move else where when you property is ruined an afford it , but what about the aquifers that get polluted in the process?

Is the property "ruined"?
Is the aquifer "polluted"?

I did not see that in the story... Is there another one that YOU are reading? Point us to it...
 
You should also heat your homes with wood (thaf you harvest)

That's exactly what I'm in the process of doing as we speak. Wife and I did our research and a company will be here with our first quote this weekend. Was leaning toward Jotul and now towards Quadra Fire. I manage a 107 acre forest, so wood is free minus my labor to cut and split it. Exercise is a good thing.



Fracking fluid or drilling mud? Big difference... I don't know, do you? I'm not sure why a drill bit would be in the well if they were fracking...

PA DEP saying fracking fluids "including chemicals". Drill "malfunctioned", whatever that means. Not sure if a bit is stuck or not, but it's being treated by HazMat as a hazardous spill for what that's worth. But we both know that even drilling mud has the same chemicals and salt water in it as the fluids they pump in.
 
So two news stories, one listing volatile chemicals and the other not. One says dangerous gases were building but are now under control while the 2nd story says no danger. Let's wait for the DEP HazMat folks to tell us instead of some clueless reporters standing hundreds of yards away. Either way, a well now to be capped.
 
So two news stories, one listing volatile chemicals and the other not. One says dangerous gases were building but are now under control while the 2nd story says no danger. Let's wait for the DEP HazMat folks to tell us instead of some clueless reporters standing hundreds of yards away. Either way, a well now to be capped.

Another: Says it was during fracking...no mention of a drill bit...
Wyoming County well malfunction causes spill, evacuation - News - The Times-Tribune
 
That's exactly what I'm in the process of doing as we speak. Wife and I did our research and a company will be here with our first quote this weekend. Was leaning toward Jotul and now towards Quadra Fire. I manage a 107 acre forest, so wood is free minus my labor to cut and split it. Exercise is a good thing. .

What kind of bikes you getting? I can recommend some good touring bikes and route up to the West Branch, may take a little while though.

The hazmat team gets called out for everything. They came out when a beer trucked flipped and spilled on 287 years ago (was Bud though, so it justified the hazmat prescence).
 
That's exactly what I'm in the process of doing as we speak. Wife and I did our research and a company will be here with our first quote this weekend. Was leaning toward Jotul and now towards Quadra Fire. I manage a 107 acre forest, so wood is free minus my labor to cut and split it. Exercise is a good thing.

But what about the air I breath? Natural gas per BTU lets off far less harmful emissions than wood. I trust you will make sure there are no spotted owls, or indiana bats residing in any of those trees as well. And i know you must have a trailer for the prius to haul the lumber with as well as a few good hand saws, splittng mauls and wedges, because we don't need you using anymore of those evil fossil fuels than needed.
 
That's exactly what I'm in the process of doing as we speak. Wife and I did our research and a company will be here with our first quote this weekend. Was leaning toward Jotul and now towards Quadra Fire. I manage a 107 acre forest, so wood is free minus my labor to cut and split it. Exercise is a good thing.

But what about the air I breath? Natural gas per BTU lets off far less harmful emissions than wood. I trust you will make sure there are no spotted owls, or indiana bats residing in any of those trees as well. And i know you must have a trailer for the prius to haul the lumber with as well as a few good hand saws, splittng mauls and wedges, because we don't need you using anymore of those evil fossil fuels than needed.

Obama to Announce $2 Billion Plan to Get U.S. Cars Off Gasoline - Yahoo! News

Never fear...O'Bama has a plan....
 
What kind of bikes you getting? I can recommend some good touring bikes and route up to the West Branch, may take a little while though.

TN,
I'm switching to wood for cost savings. I have absolutely no issues with relatively safe natural energy extractions, never have. You certainly know that I am a staunch conservative, so that will come as no surprise to you. I just don't yet believe I know enough to feel comfortable with fracking. I want to; we need the energy. Just not there yet. Frack your property, stay away from mine and we're cool. Unless when you frack yours and it pollutes mine, then we're going to have some issues.

And I was bicycle touring before you were a glint in your pappy's eyes. Racing mountain bikes before you saw your first tricycle. :) All that's left these days is an aging, high end, mountain bike I built off a Trek aluminum frame and precious little time to use it.
 
And I was bicycle touring before you were a glint in your pappy's eyes. Racing mountain bikes before you saw your first tricycle. :) All that's left these days is an aging, high end, mountain bike I built off a Trek aluminum frame and precious little time to use it.

I doubt that, unless you were racing with Gary Fisher, Ritchey, and the Mt. Tamalpais crew out in Marin county. We probably even raced against each other at one point. I still race though, fuck old age.
 
It was fracking fluid and in no small amount at one time the loss was 80 gallons per minute. But not to worry, The Pa DEP is on the case and no harm has occured, (or ever will):sneaky:. somehow they collected the samples, drove to harrisburg 21/2 hours away got the results and by the 5 o'clock news reported that everything was safe. Just had to evacuate the families the lived around there in case of the methane build up exploded.
 
But what about the air I breath? Natural gas per BTU lets off far less harmful emissions than wood. I trust you will make sure there are no spotted owls, or indiana bats residing in any of those trees as well.

I don't care about the air you breath:) JK, modern fireplace inserts are highly efficient these days and that's the route we're going with. I just can't keep paying $4.60 a gallon for home heating oil. NJ has no spotted owls. We do have state endangered barred owls, but they are making a huge comeback because all they need is mature forest canopy. As our NJ forests age, they'll have plenty of habitat. We have a pair on my Sparta property, in fact. Part of my Forestry Stewardship Management Plan includes timber stand improvement (TSI) which helps speed growth for certain mature trees by removing competition from lesser quality trees. Those lesser trees we remove are the ones I will use for firewood. Those and my limited clearings I make for early successional forest habitat to improve diversity and overall health of my forest. Lastly, I leave shagbark hickory trees alone because they make excellent bat habitat when bats are here from spring - fall. Not all conservatives want to rape and pillage the land in spite of what Nobama wants you to believe. I'm a conservationist. That means I use the natural resources where it makes sense. Fracking still doesn't have me a believer, but perhaps in time. Plenty of other resources we can and should continue to extract and to use until we get that one buttoned down.
 
And these would be?

How 'bout you and I make a deal? I'll answer the same question I've answered here on NEFF at least one hundred times if you start one legitimate fly fishing thread? Or post a picture of one fish you caught on a fly rod? Or reply to a single thread started by others with something related to fly fishing or fly tying? :):)
 
How 'bout you and I make a deal? I'll answer the same question I've answered here on NEFF at least one hundred times if you start one legitimate fly fishing thread? Or post a picture of one fish you caught on a fly rod? Or reply to a single thread started by others with something related to fly fishing or fly tying? :):)

Yeah... I wouldn't want to answer my question either...
 
Nothing to see here...move along...Fracking is completely safe..if you all would learn about fluid density and hydrodynamics, you would all understand there is no chance of these things happening......

It must be a big conspiracy concocted by the left wing freaks!!!
 
Nothing to see here...move along...Fracking is completely safe..if you all would learn about fluid density and hydrodynamics, you would all understand there is no chance of these things happening......

It must be a big conspiracy concocted by the left wing freaks!!!

Who EVER said it was completely safe?
 
Purely selfish interest to preserve the waters I love to fish. Love the Catskills, Lacky, and Gulf. I don't like the idea of fracking or drilling in environmental sensitive areas, so by default I am for alternative energy and will have to deal with the increased energy costs until the alternatives become cost effective. The more research and development, the sooner it will happen.

Pipeline crossing underway on Lackawaxen River | The River Reporter
Marcellus Shale - Catskill Mountainkeeper
Gulf Coast Oil Spill – This Just In - CNN.com Blogs
 
And what would these alternatives be? All I've ever heard is unrealistic pie in the sky shit. Until there's a revolution in science on the scale of the what we saw when nuclear fission was developed, we're burning oil for the foreseeable future.
 
Wouldn't it be great if they figured out how to safely convert garbage/trash to energy for automobiles like in Back to the future's flux capacitor
 
And what would these alternatives be? All I've ever heard is unrealistic pie in the sky shit. Until there's a revolution in science on the scale of the what we saw when nuclear fission was developed, we're burning oil for the foreseeable future.

For home and industry solar, wind, nuclear, and I keep waiting for tidal energy to become more important. For autos biofuels, hydrogen, and battery technology all have promise. The economic pressure to continue our reliance on oil and gas are strong headwinds, but hell, we put a man on the goddamn moon.
 
For home and industry solar, wind, nuclear, and I keep waiting for tidal energy to become more important. For autos biofuels, hydrogen, and battery technology all have promise. The economic pressure to continue our reliance on oil and gas are strong headwinds, but hell, we put a man on the goddamn moon.

For home, solar has been around for over 40 years to heat your hot water. Never gonna work on a large scale for the same reason that wind won't, and unless they build better batteries (which is a very long ways off). And we put a man on the moon using the same rocket technology we do today, if the aerospace industry can't pioneer anything, not feeling too confident about the rest. Biofuel, maybe, and big oil is the furthest ahead with this.
 
For home, solar has been around for over 40 years to heat your hot water. Never gonna work on a large scale for the same reason that wind won't, and unless they build better batteries (which is a very long ways off). And we put a man on the moon using the same rocket technology we do today, if the aerospace industry can't pioneer anything, not feeling too confident about the rest. Biofuel, maybe, and big oil is the furthest ahead with this.

The simple truth is that we will not find alternatives unless we look. Few people thought we would have a man on the moon in 10 years when Kennedy said it. Do you have any doubt in your mind that someday man's reliance on fossil fuels will be minimal? It's just a matter of time.
 
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