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Neversink OSI's 4-H Camp Pine Purchase

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press release --

OSI's 4-H Camp Pine Purchase Allows Public Access to World-Renowned Fishing
April 4, 2008 - New York, NY - The Open Space Conservancy (OSC), the land acquisition affiliate of the Open Space Institute, announced the purchase today of the 232-acre property known as 4-H Camp Pines.

The property was originally acquired in December 1949 by what is now known as Cornell Cooperative Extension Association of Sullivan County and, until 1980, was used as a rustic outdoor educational facility. For the past two decades, Cooperative Extension has managed the land as a working forest in accordance with a forestry management plan approved by both the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) and the New York City Department of Environmental Protection, as the property sits within the Catskill Park and the New York City watershed. When the property is conveyed to DEC, public access will be allowed.

The 4-H Camp Pines property has more than 4,400 feet of frontage along both shores of the upper Neversink River, one of the five primary rivers in the Catskill Region and the source for the Neversink Reservoir. Along with the Beaverkill, Willowemoc, Esopus, and Rondout, the Neversink River is linked to the birth of American fly fishing. Theodore Gordon, the legendary fly fishing journalist, developed the dry fly there.

This stream has been the home waters of many other famous anglers of the past century, including Edward R. Hewitt, William Chandler, Herman Christian and “Rube” Cross to name a few, and is well known to today's fly fishers.

One of the most renowned writers on Catskill fly fishing, Ed Van Put, writes in his most recent book, Trout Fishing in the Catskills,


"Theodore Gordon, the legendary Catskill fly fisher and journalist, caught his first brown trout in the Neversink in the summer of 1889."
Van Put notes that since the late 1800s the general public has been excluded from fishing along the upper Neversink and its branches by private landowners and fishing clubs. While New York State has acquired many miles of fishing rights easements on a number of quality trout streams in the Catskill region during the past several decades, opportunities for the public to fish in the Neversink Valley upstream of the reservoir are quite limited and available only at the extreme headwaters of the West Branch where a stretch runs through Forest Preserve lands, and then a very short section (approximately 200 feet) of the East Branch, also at the headwaters.

For many years, DEC unsuccessfully sought to acquire easements along the Neversink River following the stocking of salmon in the Neversink Reservoir in 1973. With the cooperation of the New York City Board of Water Supply, salmon were introduced into the reservoir creating a unique fishing opportunity for Catskill anglers.

Van Put writes that DEC received a good deal of criticism from organized sportsmen following this stocking; they argued that the salmon would only benefit private landowners who post their property since the salmon leave the reservoir and ascend this almost completely private section of the Neversink in the fall. However, since salmon could be fished for in the reservoir via New York City watershed permits, DEC has continued this stocking program to the present day.

Now, 35 years later, the public will finally get their chance to fish streamside on the only body of water where salmon can be found in the Catskills.

“I think this is great news for anglers to have land opened up on the Upper Neversink. We’ll be able to fish for native brook trout as well as wild browns. The Camp Pine property has a pristine piece of river to fish, which is relatively uncommon for public waters in New York State. I’d like to thank Commissioner Grannis, Ed Van Put and OSI for making this possible,” said Bert Darrow, president of Theodore Gordon Flyfishers.

Thanks to a strong partnership with DEC, under the visionary guidance of Commissioner Pete Grannis, OSC will acquire the 232-acre parcel and eventually convey it to DEC.

“OSI is thrilled to have worked with DEC on the successful protection of this outstanding recreational resource, and we’re eager to make it available for everyone to enjoy,” said Joe Martens, OSI’s President.

Once in public ownership, this property will be available for public use and enjoyment with a formal parking area and identified angler access points. OSC acquired the property with funds from the Lila Acheson and DeWitt Wallace Endowment.



The Open Space Institute (OSI) protects scenic, natural, and historic landscapes to ensure public enjoyment, conserve habitats, and sustain community character. OSI achieves its goals through land acquisition, conservation easements, regional loan programs, fiscal sponsorship, creative partnerships, and analytical research. OSI has protected more than 100,000 acres in New York State and assisted in the protection of an additional 1.6 million acres in Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, New York, Massachusetts, New Jersey, and North Carolina through its Conservation Finance Program.
 
That is great news.

Last year I was fishing there and it was good (close to Frost Valley). Water temps were below 57 in the mid June.

I can't wait to go there.
 
I've fished below the reservoir many times, but never above. Can anyone characterize this particular stretch of water? Skinny? Any deeper pools? Mainly brookies or possibility of browns? I can't wait until it's turned over to the DEC and then to public access. Thanks to those who are making this possible.
 
Really nice up there, this is great news, I have fished the Frost Valley property..................
 
Hi Folks-
Wondering if this property has make it into the public's hands yet? Looks to be right about the county line?? Does anyone have more information on location? street? maps? coordinates? Hoping to fish this some time soon!

Tight Lines!

Tom
 
I was just up there on saturday, in fact my avatar picture was taken there. Saturday was my 4th time being there. Its nice and has deep pools and the sides are very scarred like the beaverkill so theres plenty of room for a back cast. Also you'll notice the rocks are bleach white its an amazing contrast. I consider the upper neversink a mix between the rondout and the beaverkill it has charisitics of both. 1 problem, every time i went there i havent caught a single fish, and i was fishing with 2 people 3 of the 4 times i went. I did manage to see (and kind of catch) one fish, it was a dieing brookie in a riffle which i picked up by hand. I literlly haven't seen one good specimine of a fish in that river. Its very very infirtile. If anyone can prove me wrong by their own expierences and not just what articles say please do cause that place is waaaay to beautiful to have 0 fish in it.
 
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I fish an area of the catskill creek that is about the same - beautiful and gin clear, but barely any fish - not sure if it had to do with the acid levels or lack of bugs.
Do any of you have directions or coordinates for the 4H Camp Pines property?
Tom
 
Hello everyone!This is my first post.I live about 15 miles from the 4H pines,and have been impatiently waiting for it to officially open.So today,(4/9/09)I decided to take a ride and see for myself.There is a cable across the road,and posted signs on the trees on either side of the road.Not exactly a welcome mat, so I'd assume that it's not officially open yet.For those of you that are familiar with GPS, the coordinates are N 41* 54.107 and W74* 34.753.(*= degrees), If you want to check for yourself.This stretch of river is upstream from the Neversink Resivior, and is some prime trout habitat. A guy I know is moving into a house a little bit south of here in May, and he will have fishing rights.So hopefully I'll be able to fish that stretch,and give everyone a sneak preview!I'll keep you posted!
 
CMM, anyone with Google Earth and a bit of research skills can find that PUBLIC fishing access, without any GPS coordinates. I don't exactly know why Juddhaiss decided to give everyone coordinates, but first of all most of us on here would rather fish other streams in the area, and most of us practice excellent fishing etiquette.
 
im not worried about most of us. I'm worried about catch and keepers (fridge fillers not u guys) and worm dunkers (same thing as Catch and keepers in my book). They all tend to be lurkers on this site

Why would you give the fu(k!ng coordinates?
 
Been there fished that last year all anyone has to do is ask at the DEP station down the road and you get directions. The access was granted two years ago and the signage simply has never been removed from 4-H days. If I recall right CMM you referred to the Neversink above the resevoir as being infertile and not worth fishing. That's rather protectionist for a non productive access point.:puking-smiley:

Hey CMM isn't that photo of you on the same spot????? Anyhow, it's a public access location. If you were to tone it down ; you might actually have a positive contribution here on this forum. Lately, your posts have been less then positive and frankly somewhat childish. It seems that any post about trout fishing small streams or locations that you have fished is strickly forbidden and god forbid someone references locations landmarks etc. you have a cow. :finger:
Come on back off.:rofl:

If you have a problem with my rebuke; I live in the same town and I'd be glad to fix the circuitry in your head thats shorting out with a swift kick upside it. LOL all access passes for everyone ; feel free to fish, communicate honey holes, gps locations, yadayada , for all forum members to access or ravage.:hubbahubba:
Ciao:looser: and yes I had a lot of spare time today.
 
hey I hear the only thing in florida, ny is queers and steers. And i dont see no horns on ya.


but seriousily I would'nt have posted here if he didn't POST THE DAMN COODRINATES. Cmon, I said one thing about a place on the beaverkill on my first post on catskill flies and i was nearly hunted down and hung. This guy gives coordinates and he gets his "you know what" sucked. Must be topsy turvy world.

Oh yes and chris r. Could it be that i was keeping that place a secret by saying it was bad?????? hmmm deff not


damn people now a days
 
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hey I hear the only thing in florida, <ACRONYM title="New York">ny</ACRONYM> is queers and steers. And i dont see no horns on ya. Thats interesting as you simply cannot nor will you see me at all, if you see me then I am not doing my job.


but seriousily I would'nt have posted here if he didn't POST THE DAMN COODRINATES. Cmon, I said one thing about a place on the beaverkill on my first post on catskill flies and i was nearly hunted down and hung. This guy gives coordinates and he gets his "you know what" sucked. Must be topsy turvy world.
Dude Everyone has thr right and perogative to post whatever even you althought your posts tend to be off color anymore and lacking any respect. That said because you got spanked at another forum ; cease and desist with the spankings here, we are not on Catskill Flies .

Oh yes and moron that posted under me. Could it be that i was keeping that place a secret by saying it was bad?????? hmmm deff not. I said protectionist not secret get it straight...! Having worked in the Catskills your just a wee bit over zealous about protectionism. It's just a little to in the face for most of the gang here.


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Come on now if thats not spot burning what is?

Yeah, it actually is. I have been reading and following your posts, CMM, and your contributions are mostly childish, protectionistic and negative. And don't get me even started with your bad spelling and grammar. Seems you have a lot of growing up to do.

Tight Lines & Happy Easter anyway.
 
I emailed the DEP about this purchase and it still is not approved or done yet. Fish it
at your own peril. That's why it's still posted.

CMM,

Yes the upper Neversink is very acidic, hence not many flies.
 
I posted the coordinates because other fellow fishermen had asked where this area was in earlier posts,so I was trying to be helpful to them.
 
BTW, the OSI press release on the purchase has a map showing where the camp site is.

Your pal,
Dusty
 
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