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Mountain Lion Attack

Joe D

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Release #113-08

GAME COMMISSION RELEASE RESULTS OF ALLEGED MOUNTAIN LION ATTACK

HARRISBURG - In announcing the current results of its ongoing investigation into an alleged mountain lion attack on Oct. 9, Pennsylvania Game Commission officials today announced that there is no evidence that the alleged attack on Samuel Fisher, 42, of Sadsbury Township, Lancaster County, occurred.

Game Commission officials were called to an area of Mount Pleasant Road, when Fisher alleged to have shot one large cat and then was attacked and injured by a second large cat.

A Pennsylvania State Police helicopter was brought into the area to search for the presence of the alleged animal using a FLIR Infrared Thermal Imaging Camera. Search dogs specifically trained to find and follow the trail of cats detected no cat activity in the area other than a small house cat.

Game Commission officers gathered numerous samples at the scene alleged to be blood. Those samples were sent to the Pennsylvania State Police Crime Lab for testing. Samples collected from multiple sites at the incident, including the alleged blood trail, area where Fisher allegedly shot the animal and where Fisher allegedly fought with the animal, all tested negative for blood by the State Police laboratory. While the chemical testing did indicate the presence of blood on the knife that Fisher allegedly used to stab the animal, the lab also found that the knife contained deer hair. The knife is being sent to the East Stroudsburg University for further analysis of the blood in an effort to identify what type of blood it is.

Investigating officers found no evidence of mountain lion hair or scat or tracks at, around or in the vicinity of the alleged incident.

Charges may be filed against Fisher for making false or fraudulent statements.

"The Pennsylvania Game Commission has no evidence of wild, breeding populations of large cats in Pennsylvania to date," said Doug Killough, Game Commission Southeast Region director. "With that in mind, we do acknowledge that numerous people do have exotic animals which escape or are released illegally. While this incident is considered to be a hoax, we will continue to investigate credible sightings or evidence of exotic wildlife."

To reiterate his point, Killough noted that, in the past 10 years, confirmed sightings of wallabies, wolf-hybrids, emus, alligators and other non-native exotic wildlife have been captured in the Southeast Region. Also, in 2002, charges were filed against a Dauphin County resident for illegal possession of a mountain lion that had been purchased in Virginia.
 
They say that if you're attacked by a mountain lion the best thing to do is fight back - they only attack you if they want to eat you, unlike bears which will attack if they perceive you as a threat or as a food source. Also, cats are generally opportunistic hunters and don't like prey that fights back. I got a lesson in dealing with Mountain Lions when I was out in Canyon De Chelly, AZ with a Navajo guide and we discovered fresh tracks of a cat the may have been stalking us.

So if it really happened, then he did the right thing. It seems odd that he'd go through all the trouble of fabricating the attack, but I guess you never know. One thing that smells fishy (pun intended) is that Mountain Lions are solitary animals that don't hunt in groups. I suppose it could have been a mother teaching adolescent offspring how to hunt, but I dunno. There doesn't seem to be any consensus on whether there are actually mountain lions in PA. Fish and Game says no, but other groups say yes. I have some reservations about accepting the group's opinion given that their existence is validated by the presence of mountain lions in PA so it's clearly in their interest to decide that the cats are present. Some people are going so far as to accuse insurance companies of secretly reintroducing them to reduce deer populations. Conspiracy theories even in wildlife management! :dizzy:

If there are cats in NJ and neighboring states, then it seems silly to assume that they're not in PA - each male cat stakes out a very large territory so they are known to move long distances.

Interesting article, thanks!

On a related note, A while back I saw a show on the discovery channel about a guy who survived a mountain lion attack. He was attacked by a mountain lion while jogging - it was hiding in the bushes and when he jogged by it landed on him and started biting his head, face and neck. (Mountain lions are ambush predators - they get as close as possible using stealth before they pounce.) Basically, the cat tried to drag the guy (by the head) across a road where a logger was driving to work. The logger jumped out of his truck and punched the cat in the head at which point the cat ran away and the logger drove the jogger to the hospital. Happy ending, crazy story.

here's some reading material:

Recognizing and responding to mountain lion body language:

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I just took South Dakota off my list of places to see.

That's too bad I was hoping you'd join me as bait...errr...company on my next trip. I have a hawaiian shirt with your name on it.

Cougar bait's always a good thing to have around :sneaky:
 
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I am sceptical of a mountain lions re-establishing themselves in the Northeast anytime in the near future. Some nut releasing one? Stranger things have happened, but I'll pass on the sidearm in the chance I run into one.
 
Not that we should all start stressing about mountain lions when we're out fishing, but the article where NJPatbee's map came from hardly undermines the position of people who claim to have seen these animals. The article is about how Mountain Lions are moving east and that even the experts are surprised at where they are turning up.

Take this quote for example:

"I told a reporter from Peoria that reports of mountain lions in Illinois were crazy," says wildlife biologist Bob Bluett of the Illinois Department of Natural Resources. "I said, 'Show me the money. Show me the body.' Three weeks later, one got hit by a train. I had to eat my words."

Here's a link to the full article.

These are secretive, shy animals that rely on stealth to hunt and survive, it's very possible that they are present and have simply eluded us to this point.

I also believe in bigfoot, nessy and champy in case you were wondering :dizzy:

more links:
Midwestern Cougars

Cougar Sitings Rising in Eastern US
 
I also believe in bigfoot, nessy and champy in case you were wondering :dizzy:

Gonzo - champy? I know bigfoot and nessy are real, but champy?:)

Back in 1989 or '90 when I was living in the mountains outside Boulder, CO a man my age at the time (~ 25) was killed and partially eaten by a couger in Idaho Falls(Springs?), CO. He was jogging on a woods trail and was later found with the cat still next to the body a day later. They killed the cat and confirmed it was the one that had killed and ate part of the body.

About 6 months later I was hiking up a mountain outside of Ward, CO with two friends when we cut fresh lion tracks in the snow. I'll never forget the little hairs standing up on the back of my neck while I began to talk a bit LOUDER to my friends while touching the butt of my pistol now and then (carried just for cats at the time). I don't waste time worrying about them here in the East, but in cat country it's a different story...
 
My uncle has 180 acres in bradford county pa [east smithfield] We have seen 1 mountain lion and his neighbor has a picture of one on his trail camera.
 
I live in Oakland, NJ which is rich in wildlife and have a neighbor who swears she saw a big cat about 4 feet high with a long tail, long legs, and a cat face walk through our community towards the Ramapo about 2.5 years ago...Anything is possible

GH
 
OK, I wasn't going to do this before, but as long as we're posting sightings, I can tell you a friend of mine has seen one on two separate occasions this year (about two or three months apart) along the same trail while walking his dog.

This was on a former railroad bed that has been turned into a walking trail in White Twp (real close to the Pequest). This guy is not a nutcase, I've known him for 20 years and he knows his wildlife. He's also seen a deer kill in the woods.

Hey, anything that helps reduce the deer herd in NJ can't be all bad. Now if we could only get them to start eating bears...
 
About 9 yrs ago while in college in New Hampshire I swear I observed one just before it silently disappeared into a stand of thick pines. I was hiking in the winter in the White Mountains Nat'l Forest off the Kancamagus Highway just outside of Lincoln, NH (actually in the East Br. Pemigewasset River drainage that somebody on here mentioned fishing this summer.) I had my black Labrador with me and I had paused for a couple minutes to just soak in the quietness and listen while the dog investigated some smell on the ground nearby. I was looking across this small drainage to the thick stand of pines, I was looking for moose really when this large, tan-colored animal with a fairly long tail just seemed to materialize out from the dark stand of pines. As I looked at it I started to think "tail, tan color, round head and ultra-quiet-man am i really looking at a cougar." It looked out across the drainage at us on the other side briefly and then eerily slipped back into the pines. I wanted to go over and check the tracks but had second thoughts on that and quickly gathered the dog, put him on the leash and made the hike back out to my vehicle. I didn't tell many people about it realizing it's alittle hard to believe and I had no proof, not even a personal glimpse of any tracks to swear by.

I did report a wolf sighting once in the White Mountains to the Ranger Station and the ranger didn't try to tell me I saw something else and was actually quite interested. I loved hiking up there in the winter, I almost always saw wildlife.
 
Being an avid backpacker in the Adirondack Mountains, I've come across a few people, locals included, who sware they've seen lions. I was informed this year by a DEC ranger that theres been quite an uproar from groups who would like to reintroduce mountain lions in the park to reduce coyote numbers. Apparently, the coyotes there have grown intelligent enough to take down deer, which I was told they rarely did in the past in this area. The coyotes are on the top of the food chain there and their numbers are growing steadily. Doubt this reintroduction would ever happen soon, but I thought the whole conversation was interesting. My friend near Jim Thorpe, PA informed me a while back that a few deer carcasses were found up in the trees in the surrounding area. Never asked what the outcome of all that was, but again it raised some questions in my mind.
 
A fishing guide I have used on the Housy, told me a fellow guide on the Housey who was from MT, claims he saw one up there, who knows. They do exsit in North Eastern Canada, and can travel.

One was hit be a car east of the Mississppi just a few years ago.
 
Re: REAL PICTURES



Picture of Bigfoot carrying a disemboweled fly fisher on the Big Flat Brook

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Picture of Bigfoot crossing the Ken Lockwood Gorge in low water

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Bigfoot foot print on Lake Hopatcong in the winter

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Picture of Bigfoot waiting for an oil change in Califon, NJ

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Picture of Grandpa Bigfoot watching the trout opening day crowds at Saxon Falls

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Self-portrait of Bigfoot - Delware Water Gap National Recreation Area NJ

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Picture of Mountain Lion after devouring a fly fisher in Long Valley NJ
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Picture of Mountain Lion resting between meals of fly fishers in Hacklebarney State Park NJ

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Picture of Mountain Lion stalking fly fishers on the Musconetcong River in NJ

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Picture of Mountain Lion calmly drowning a fly fisher High Bridge NJ

Well, you can say thay you read it somewhere!
 
The term is LEAD the only successful expedition ever in search of....

All of AK's legionnaires have been sworn to secrecy to our discovery.<O:p</O:p

Was your trip to Georgia this past summer?
 

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We encountered this mountain lion on the Toms River in NJ.. luckily I had a knife and we were able to hack its head off and snap this photo. the stupid local newspapers wouldn't buy our story:
 
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FF, cute baby photo of you taking a bath.

But what does it have to do with fly fishing?

Yeah, sorry about that. But at least my post wasn't as bad as that guy telling us in another thread about his grown son cryin' about a baseball team losing... Makes ya wonder don't it?

GO RAYS! ;)
 
Hey,
The range of mountain lions is moving steadily eastward. There is a small population in Iowa. Getting reliable numbers is difficult. I remeber hearing on the radio last year that the number of "reliable" sitings outnumbered the estimated numbers by 2:1. Last year there was a picture of something on a boarder camera near Plattsburg that could have been a cougar. I haven't heard anything more and the cat may have just settled in to a peacefull life in NYS. Toodles,Frogge.
 
Frogge,

If I'm not mistaken the Adirondack Explorer magazine did an article of the numerous sighting in the Adirondacks by residents in recent years. I was driving back one weekend from Salmon River on Route 17 with Jeff Johnson (Capt. JJ- Rod Bender Charters Lake George) and we saw what appeared to be a large, dark (black) cat walking through a field on the west side of the highway between Binghamton and Deposit (no booze or drugs involved). Either there is an epidemic of run away pets or the DEC is trying to hide something...

GH
 
Frogge,

If I'm not mistaken the Adirondack Explorer magazine did an article of the numerous sighting in the Adirondacks by residents in recent years. I was driving back one weekend from Salmon River on Route 17 with Jeff Johnson (Capt. JJ- Rod Bender Charters Lake George) and we saw what appeared to be a large, dark (black) cat walking through a field on the west side of the highway between Binghamton and Deposit (no booze or drugs involved). Either there is an epidemic of run away pets or the DEC is trying to hide something...

GH

I certainly think there are some cougars making their way into some of these areas, especially near the Canadian border (they've been documenting wolves, by roadkill, etc. that have ventured into remote Maine and NH for the past decade or so.) I might be one of the few that actually smiles at the thought of it. But I don't think any state wildlife agencies are trying to hide anything. There has been no physical evidence (tracks, hair, scat, a friggin' dead cougar) associated with these sightings so they can't be legitimized until that happens. The cougars reported on the loose in NJ and southeastern PA were released or escaped captive animals.

With the wolves in Maine and NH the sighting were reported for years and years before they finally confirmed one with physical evidence to legitimize the years of claimed sightings, no matter how reputable the person or descriptions were.
 
Pat,
While the rest of your pictures may be true, i can aver to the one of Bigfoot crossing the Ken Lockwood gorge being a hoax. That is actually a picture of me wet wading during the sulpher hatch back in 2005. The glare in my eye is because of the doofus taking the picture having just waded into the river and putting down a really nice fish.

Agust
 
Pat,
While the rest of your pictures may be true, i can aver to the one of Bigfoot crossing the Ken Lockwood gorge being a hoax. That is actually a picture of me wet wading during the sulpher hatch back in 2005. The glare in my eye is because of the doofus taking the picture having just waded into the river and putting down a really nice fish.

Agust

I'd believe that except for the simple fact that Bigfoot is better looking:rofl:

and smaller:rofl:
 
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