More fracking earthquakes

[golden beetle]

Here's a FB post from Robert Reich:

Multiple earthquakes shook parts of Oklahoma this morning.
Before 2008, there were only one to two earthquakes of magnitude three or greater each year in the state. So far this year, they’re averaging two per day.*

Yesterday the U.S. Geological Survey released the first comprehensive maps pinpointing 17 areas in eight central and eastern states that have been jolted by quakes. (Future research will incorporate data from the western states as well). Researchers said the quakes were triggered by the injection of wastewater deep underground, which can activate dormant faults – in other words, fracking. “These earthquakes are occurring at a higher rate than ever before and pose a much greater risk to people living nearby.”*

How long will it take before fracking is banned in America?

 

[tomfly]

What is you point. A magnitude 3 is a train going by. I don’t get you bitch, and why you have a problem with extracting energy resources. There are far more things more to fear in this F-up word to and to acknowledge as serious problems. We have China and Russia both and you can read it every day online, flexing their military with us and other countries. One mistake or misjudgment on one side, your gripe on fracking and climate change will seem like a bowl of cherries compared to what could occur.

 

[eddavidson9]

Yeah. Let's just pretend it's not happening. Science and reason have no place in this fear based economy.

 

[Future Fanatic]

Yeah. Let's just pretend it's not happening. Science and reason have no place in this fear based economy.

I'm all for science, but let's call it what it is.
GB says "in other words, fracking"

That's a lie.

In THIS case, it's wastewater disposal wells.

How the state regulators allow companies to dispose of wastewater IS the problem.

Water(and ALL it's associated additives) removed after hydraulic fracturing is completed can be part of the wastewater, but also "produced" water removed from wells used to extract coal bed methane natural gas is wastewater. I'm sure there is wastewater from other processes that may be disposed of this way, too. The point is, THIS study points to the way the water is disposed of, NOT the fracking itself. There are other ways to safely"dispose" of the water, but they are more expensive and burdensome. So what... the costs get passed on to the consumer ANYWAY... The people using the gas should pay that cost and I'm sure they'd gladly do it ...

 

[MACFLY]

Intersting how the RESEARCHERS or beetle for that matter didn't bother to provide the FACTS around what might be causing the earthquakes

I'm all for science, but let's call it what it is.
GB says "in other words, fracking"

That's a lie.

In THIS case, it's wastewater disposal wells.

How the state regulators allow companies to dispose of wastewater IS the problem.

Water(and ALL it's associated additives) removed after hydraulic fracturing is completed can be part of the wastewater, but also "produced" water removed from wells used to extract coal bed methane natural gas is wastewater. I'm sure there is wastewater from other processes that may be disposed of this way, too. The point is, THIS study points to the way the water is disposed of, NOT the fracking itself. There are other ways to safely"dispose" of the water, but they are more expensive and burdensome. So what... the costs get passed on to the consumer ANYWAY... The people using the gas should pay that cost and I'm sure they'd gladly do it ...

 

[MACFLY]

Test test test

 

[lightenup]

Thanks..I had nothing to say anyway, as ususal..

 

[MACFLY]

Thanks..I had nothing to say anyway, as ususal..

Brother you said a mouthful

 

[lightenup]

Brother you said a mouthful

I believe that was Tomfly...he gets more like his brother every day....

so angry...

 

[golden beetle]

Test test test

Test?

To see if you successfully reopened the thread you closed?

 

[Future Fanatic]

Intersting how the RESEARCHERS or beetle for that matter didn't bother to provide the FACTS around what might be causing the earthquakes

The original research states it clearly.

As how GB structured his post, I can't tell which words are his and which words are the facebook post he speaks of. BUT either way it is disposal wells that are causing THIS problem. GB seems to have another agenda...

 

[tomfly]

I believe that was Tomfly...he gets more like his brother every day....

so angry...

No I am never angry

 

[golden beetle]

The original research states it clearly.

As how GB structured his post, I can't tell which words are his and which words are the facebook post he speaks of. BUT either way it is disposal wells that are causing THIS problem. GB seems to have another agenda...

The problem is earthquakes are being caused by fracking.

And as to the original research, it seems to have been wrong.

"US government says drilling causes earthquakes – what took them so long?"

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/24/earthquakes-fracking-drilling-us-geological-survey

 

[Future Fanatic]

The problem is earthquakes are being caused by fracking.

And as to the original research, it seems to have been wrong.

"US government says drilling causes earthquakes – what took them so long?"

US government says drilling causes earthquakes – what took them so long? | World news | The Guardian

Again, from the article YOU PROVIDED:

"For the most part, the report does not pin the blame on fracking itself – pumping large volumes of water, sand and chemicals into rock formations in order to free oil or gas – but rather on the associated process of injecting wastewater deep underground using injection wells."

You don't really care about the truth, do you?

Kinda like Hilary, huh? Yeah, just messin' with ya...

 

[golden beetle]

A new study just was published by the US Geological Survey...

Fracking causes earthquakes....

 

[golden beetle]

You don't really care about the truth, do you?

The truth:

"US Geological Survey Says Fracking Directly Causes Earthquakes"

http://www.bigcountryhomepage.com/s...-directly-causes/21834/klWJAaxxikWz2_LuJksFUQ

 

[Future Fanatic]

Enjoy...

At least this wont be New York, right FF?

I'm pretty sure that the people you see there walkin' around in that video represents everyday life in NYC.

So...

 

[Professor Fly]

Again, from the article YOU PROVIDED: "For the most part, the report does not pin the blame on fracking itself – pumping large volumes of water, sand and chemicals into rock formations in order to free oil or gas – but rather on the associated process of injecting wastewater deep underground using injection wells." You don't really care about the truth, do you? Kinda like Hilary, huh? Yeah, just messin' with ya...

The article from the NY Times is a bit more definitive about the cause:

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/04/23/science/ap-us-sci-man-made-quakes.html?_r=0

From that article, the author mentions that:

"The picture is very clear" that wastewater injection can cause faults to move, said USGS geophysicist William Ellsworth.
Until recently, Oklahoma — one of the biggest energy-producing states — had been cautious about linking the spate of quakes to drilling. But the Oklahoma Geological Survey acknowledged earlier this week that it is "very likely" that recent seismic activity was caused by the injection of wastewater into disposal wells.
Earthquake activity in Oklahoma in 2013 was 70 times greater than it was before 2008, state geologists reported. Oklahoma historically recorded an average of 1.5 quakes of magnitude 3 or greater each year. It is now seeing an average of 2.5 such quakes each day, according to geologists.

 

[golden beetle]

I'm pretty sure that the people you see there walkin' around in that video represents everyday life in NYC.

So...

Stay on topic.

This is just getting good.

We can talk about your bigotry later...

 

[Future Fanatic]

Stay on topic.

This is just getting good.

We can talk about your bigotry later...

Bigotry?

Why is it you see bigotry everywhere?
They seem like fine upstanding folks.
You agree, right?

 

[golden beetle]

Bigotry?

Why is it you see bigotry everywhere?
They seem like fine upstanding folks.
You agree, right?

You are all too happy to change the topic!!!

 

[Future Fanatic]

You are all too happy to change the topic!!!

Well, you brought up the video... and bigotry...
I'm sorry, sometimes in your threads it's hard to keep track of what the topic is.

But you must agree NOW, that the articles you brought up are pointing out disposal wells are the issue, right?

 

[mudbug201]

a) Lightenup is right. You guys should be fishing.

b) Failing that, you should be documenting the puzzling fauna on your alpaca ranches. I'm working (or procrastinating working) and this silly debate is not helping either my work or my procrastinating of my work.

c) If tracking is defined as the hydraulic fracturing process, then FF is right. If tracking is defined as the hydraulic fracturing industry then Beetle is right.

Beetle, I think the original suggestion that tracking be banned put things on the wrong track. Seems like wastewater disposal regulation is what's needed here. Banning fracking might also be a good idea. But not because of this particular study.

Now that that's settled, FF could you go find a weird looking caddis in your creek and post some photos? I've got two more hours to kill before I can take a break. I'm desperate.

 

[Future Fanatic]

Now that that's settled, FF could you go find a weird looking caddis in your creek and post some photos? I've got two more hours to kill before I can take a break. I'm desperate.

That would be fun. But there are many things to do and fun things reside at the bottom of a long list.

If you ever have two hours to kill in the future, you could visit and get me closer to the bottom of my list(bring GB with ya' He doesn't seem to be too productive on the weekends.

Just sayin'...

 

[golden beetle]

Sorry, duplicate post.

 

[golden beetle]

"U.S. Maps Pinpoint Earthquakes Linked to Quest for Oil and Gas"

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/04/2...uakes-from-human-activity.html?referrer=&_r=0

 

[Rusty Spinner]

Beetle, can you show us what the results are of the earthquakes, assuming they are caused 100% by fracking? Dead bodies? Collapsed buildings? Dogs and cats, living together? What exactly is your fear and is it or are they founded? Just curious.

 

[golden beetle]

Beetle, can you show us what the results are of the earthquakes, assuming they are caused 100% by fracking? Dead bodies? Collapsed buildings? Dogs and cats, living together? What exactly is your fear and is it or are they founded? Just curious.

You ask a fair question.

Go read this blog entry and then continue reading. Its about the California drought, but it speaks to the same issues...

http://goldenbeetle.net/2015/04/wired-magazine-2/

For years we have been told that fracking is safe.

It turns out that it causes earthquakes.

That's pretty big news, no?

I am slightly confused by mudbug's statement that the problem here is caused by the fracking industry, but not by fracking itself.

That's Orwellian speak.

For me, I define the harm here as earthquakes. They are caused by fracking companies who dispose of their waste deep inside the earth.

The US Geological Survey has said that causes faults to f'n shift, slip or even collapse.

In Oklahoma, there are earthquakes of magnitude 3.0 or greater occurring 2.5 times per day.

Unprecedented seismic activity.

And FF said that the US Geological Survey said that these quakes are not the result of fracking.

But when he was pinned down, he did admit that they are caused by the disposal of frackint waste, by the fracking companies, as I said, deep inside the earth.

So to me at least, he has admitted that these quakes are caused by fracking. But he argues that waste disposal is not fracking.

Which is hard for me to understand, because waste is part of the process, isnt it?

And the waste isnt gonna disappear, is it?

And these quakes arent gonna stop if we dont regulate the fracking companies, right Mudbug?

This is major news from the past week.

Now, what I am trying to do is make folks aware of this.

You seem to get it, so good.

I dont want magnitude 3.0 (or greater) earthquakes 2.5 times per day in my home state, or in New York.

Thats about it.

 

[MACFLY]

It must be lonely in your alternate universe beetle.

You ask a fair question.

Go read this blog entry and then continue reading. Its about the California drought, but it speaks to the same issues...

Wired Magazine - GB Magazine

For years we have been told that fracking is safe.

It turns out that it causes earthquakes.

That's pretty big news, no?

I am slightly confused by mudbug's statement that the problem here is caused by the fracking industry, but not by fracking itself.

That's Orwellian speak.

For me, I define the harm here as earthquakes. They are caused by fracking companies who dispose of their waste deep inside the earth.

The US Geological Survey has said that causes faults to f'n shift, slip or even collapse.

In Oklahoma, there are earthquakes of magnitude 3.0 or greater occurring 2.5 times per day.

Unprecedented seismic activity.

And FF said that the US Geological Survey said that these quakes are not the result of fracking.

But when he was pinned down, he did admit that they are caused by the disposal of frackint waste, by the fracking companies, as I said, deep inside the earth.

So to me at least, he has admitted that these quakes are caused by fracking. But he argues that waste disposal is not fracking.

Which is hard for me to understand, because waste is part of the process, isnt it?

And the waste isnt gonna disappear, is it?

And these quakes arent gonna stop if we dont regulate the fracking companies, right Mudbug?

This is major news from the past week.

Now, what I am trying to do is make folks aware of this.

You seem to get it, so good.

I dont want magnitude 3.0 (or greater) earthquakes 2.5 times per day in my home state, or in New York.

Thats about it.

 

[tomfly]

You ask a fair question.

Go read this blog entry and then continue reading. Its about the California drought, but it speaks to the same issues...

Wired Magazine - GB Magazine

For years we have been told that fracking is safe.

It turns out that it causes earthquakes.

That's pretty big news, no?

I am slightly confused by mudbug's statement that the problem here is caused by the fracking industry, but not by fracking itself.

That's Orwellian speak.

For me, I define the harm here as earthquakes. They are caused by fracking companies who dispose of their waste deep inside the earth.

The US Geological Survey has said that causes faults to f'n shift, slip or even collapse.

In Oklahoma, there are earthquakes of magnitude 3.0 or greater occurring 2.5 times per day.

Unprecedented seismic activity.

And FF said that the US Geological Survey said that these quakes are not the result of fracking.

But when he was pinned down, he did admit that they are caused by the disposal of frackint waste, by the fracking companies, as I said, deep inside the earth.

So to me at least, he has admitted that these quakes are caused by fracking. But he argues that waste disposal is not fracking.

Which is hard for me to understand, because waste is part of the process, isnt it?

And the waste isnt gonna disappear, is it?

And these quakes arent gonna stop if we dont regulate the fracking companies, right Mudbug?

This is major news from the past week.

Now, what I am trying to do is make folks aware of this.

You seem to get it, so good.

I dont want magnitude 3.0 (or greater) earthquakes 2.5 times per day in my home state, or in New York.

Thats about it.

I guess you never felt a subway train go by