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Just Moved to NY...A Couple Questions

bdubs

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Hey all, this seems like an awesome board with a wealth of information and some nice dudes unlike some forums I've been around...glad to be a part of it! I moved to Albany this winter from western PA for an internship. I started fly fishing last spring, so I can cast a line and read water/fish somewhat effectively. I have a couple questions pertaining to fishing in the capital region....

-90+% of the trout streams I have fished in PA are strictly put and take fisheries (due to warm water temps and high angler pressure) with little to no holdover fish to be had. I realize if I head to the 'dacks or catskills I can find some older trout, but what can I expect as far as holdovers/natural repro. fish for some of the creeks (kinderhook, tackawasick, Poestenkill...etc) that are in after-work-fishing-session driving distance from Albany? Do the feeder streams to these larger creeks support trout as well?

-The public fishing rights maps on the NYDEC seem to only cover a very small portion of the stocked streams in the area. Is the rest of the stream pretty much off limits, or can you park somewhere reasonable, ask permission for access from the landowner( if it is clear who's land you are crossing over) and carry on as usual?
-What about the streams that have no public fishing rights maps, yet are stocked by the DEC? This can't mean the public has no access whatsoever to the stream otherwise they wouldn't stock it. It's confusing to me because in PA it is pretty much a free-for-all when it comes to stream access... for the first few weeks of trout the landowners have pretty much come to expect the slobs to show up, park in their front yard, walk through without asking, and leave their bait containers/eagle claw and cigarette packs on the banks.

-In terms of stocking....does NY float stock or just dump buckets of fish at the access points and bridges as they do in PA?

Sorry for the long winded questions, didn't want to make them too broad. Look forward to contributing to the board this spring/summer. Less than 2 months till the opener, hoping for some warm weather so the mountain streams to the north and south are good to go by may!
 
I also just moved, but to the central NY area. In speaking with some of the people in my area I was told that the majority of land owners with streams on their property are usually pretty friendly and willing to allow you to fish. Personally I have not tried that yet, but this spring I will be poking around for sure.
 
This will help you get started- Public Fishing Rights Maps - NYS Dept. of Environmental Conservation

Don't look for the type of hold over fish you have come to expect from PA limestones here in the Adirondacks. The water Ph is way closer to 7 than in PA than it is here upstate NYS. The Catskills are a completely different story however.

Many counties still have good hatchery programs in addition to the state. Be sure to check them out as well. NYS does a very good job using volunteers to bucket fish into remote ponds and rivers. (at least in my area)

Hire a guide and pick his brain. Guides spend countless hours privately and with clients working waters and building knowledge to answer all the questions you have listed and more that will occur to you as you fish with them. You may also find yourself acending to the next level of fly fishing with a good coach. A good guide will listen to you and understand your expectations, then work hard to deliver on them.

This is shameless commerce on my behalf but all the things you want to know, and much more, will fit into a guided trip.
 
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Attend a Clearwater Chapter of Trout Unlimited meeting. Google their website. These guys offer a wealth of info. Great speakers!
 
There is some pretty decent wild trout fishing to be had within an hour of albany, but not a lot. Put and takes are the norm. The PFR map descriptions are pretty accurate as to how likely you are to find wild fish; you can branch out from there. And if you want to find fantastic trout fishing it's within a day-trip's reach. Now, i'd suggest hitting the warmwater a little bit too...there is some great smallmouth fishing around just to start.

As far as access, it's usually not too tough to come by. Even without listed PFRs, there is a lot of roadside access to some streams. And as mentioned, it never hurts to ask a landowner.
 
Hey Steve24
Where in upstate did you move to, I moved to syracuse a little over a year ago and have been exploring, did a couple of float trips down the salmon, and I hit Butternut and 9 mile creek pretty regularly. I have a pontoon and am always looking for someone to float with. Looking to make some float trips in Catskills and possibly down Pinecreek PA this season.
 
The Kinderhook isn't what it used to be, but who or what is? It used to be known as a stream that produced record fish, but it's still worth your while.

The stream is stocked, but there are holdovers. If you follow the roads that run along side it, you'll find the usual angler pullovers and access points. You'll be able to sight fish quite a bit.

Welcome to NY and good hunting!
 
Hey Steve24
Where in upstate did you move to, I moved to syracuse a little over a year ago and have been exploring, did a couple of float trips down the salmon, and I hit Butternut and 9 mile creek pretty regularly. I have a pontoon and am always looking for someone to float with. Looking to make some float trips in Catskills and possibly down Pinecreek PA this season.

Although not there at the moment, the area is Mount vision, 20 minutes from Cooperstown. Surrounded by tributaries of the upper Susquehanna, but unfortunately I am still not too familiar with the waters yet.
 
should mention, there will be some tying demos and deals at goldstocks in schenectady this weekend, it would be a good chance to stop in, meet some locals, maybe get some info. i'm gonna try to swing by at some point.
 
I fished the Kinderhook a lot last year. My first year fly fishing. I cought maybe 10 trout in 10 trips. I really have no idea what I am doing though. Saw some other guys pull some 15"+ out, and I saw some larger trout that were not fooled at all by me, so there are definately some holdovers.
 
Good stuff...thanks for the info everyone.
-Any early season nymphs or streamers recommended for the area creeks besides the standard buggers, PT, Hares Ear, Prince, sucker spawn etc..?
 
the area creeks (for trout) are small streams so you can't really go wrong on patterns. my 3 favorites for my go-to stream are hares ear soft hackle, small royal coachman bucktail streamer, and a black bugger as small as I can tie it.

dont overlook the early season warmwater either; the smallies, drum and carp come out of winter hungry! saw and took lot of 3 and 4# smallies in april last year.
 
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I'll definitely keep the smallies, pike, and carp in mind...just got a kayak not too long ago, so I'll be able to access some prime turf. Can't wait till things start heatin up!
 
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