Invasives Stopping Product

[Joe D]

Because you care about the environment!

Yes I do, but that still doesn't answer my question.

 

[Fredy]

Look F.F -- It is SAFE FOE THE ENVIROMENT when it is used as directed -- It is safer than BLEACH -- they are using this religiously in California -- Cal Trout and Californias TU have ENdorsed the product -- It from what I understand has been tested under Normal Flora conditions for a river at it has no effect on the "NORMAL" life as of now -- I am still trying to get MORE INFO on this just because YOU cant seem to understand or dont want to understand it is safe and it does work -- It may take me some time to gather the 3rd party testing but Im trying..

Now if you dont believe me do your own research and stop asking the same STUPID QUESTIONS u have been asking

Can you prove that it's safer than bleach? Bleach dicipates/evaporates as it dries. I used to bleach rocks for marine aquariums overnight, rinse the next day, and waited till it was dry, then place back into an aquarium with $1000's of worth if fish and corals. I never had any issues.

 

[danme]

Yes it is safer than Bleach -- your talking (I believe) 7000ppm in the correct solution at 2oz per gallon -- They also use this on Dairy farms and the cows are always spilling it on the ground and By waterways -- The Enviromentalist are checking the Brooks Streams and ponds for this particular product -- It comes up negative in all tests in the water on and around the dairy farms. I have too much info to really get that deep into this -- I dont type very good and Im definately not fast at it -- I am waiting on a return call for another gentleman who has DIRECT INFO on the 3rd party testing when I have that more questions will be answered

I know all about Bleaching Live rock -- In reality it takes 72 Hours for all Chlorine/Bleach to evaporate form Water -- I had many many fish tanks Salt and fresh water

Peace
Dan

 

[danme]

JoeD, you don't think that's a stupid question, do you?

You mean the testing paid for by companies that hope to make some money selling the product?

Um -- How is Cal-Trout The Us Forest Service and California TU going to make mone on this product???? They are using it and have endorsed it -- Please Im very interested in finding out How these Organizations are going to make money on this product??

My god F.F. Your Skeptiscim and your way of twisting the truth and other peoples words is really annoying -- You ask the Same Dumb ass Questions -- How do you know it will work -- Ok so I believe it works -- Is it safe for the enviroment??

So Im asking YOU F.F. How is California TU -- Cal Trout -- and the US Forest Service going to make money on this product?? Your not the only one that can ask DUMBASS QUESTIONS

 

[Future Fanatic]

Um -- How is Cal-Trout The Us Forest Service and California TU going to make mone on this product???? They are using it and have endorsed it -- Please Im very interested in finding out How these Organizations are going to make money on this product??

My god F.F. Your Skeptiscim and your way of twisting the truth and other peoples words is really annoying -- You ask the Same Dumb ass Questions -- How do you know it will work -- Ok so I believe it works -- Is it safe for the enviroment??

So Im asking YOU F.F. How is California TU -- Cal Trout -- and the US Forest Service going to make money on this product?? Your not the only one that can ask DUMBASS QUESTIONS

You are right Danme, that is a dumbass question. Those agencies might be "TESTING" the product to see if it works. They probably have NO WAY to make money on it.

So it seems most of the "testing" you mention is testing as to whether or not the stuff works. It seems to work at killing stuff. Agreed.

But is it safe for everyother living thing it comes in contact with that we DON'T want killed? Isn't that important?

You neglect, in this last post to mention this testing you say these COMPANIES are doing:

" 3m is (Scientific Anglers) infusing their Fly Lines with this stuff as we speak They also tested on their rods -- backing -- Reels and Leaders/tippets for damage -- It is VERY SAFE -- Simms, Orvis, and a few other Big Fly Fishing Companies are also 3rd party testing this as we speak."

You don't think that they want to be able to say that this product can be used on THEIR products, thus making THEIR products MORE VALUABLE to those fly fishermen who want to protect the environment from invasives?

SO in effect, if they PAY for "third party testing" the people doing the testing KNOW what results their "bosses" want them to come up with?

You need INDEPENDENT testing done to find that THIS PRODUCT is safe for all the other critters in the streams where fishermen will be wading around in waders that have been soaked in this stuff, right?

GUYS, Danme is on to it yet. I can't keep this up much longer. I guess I'll be circling around to wrap this up soon.

 

[Rusty Spinner]

Six pages and not one of you can figure out that Future Fanatic is toying with you all because of all the crap we've given him over fracking? C'mon, most/some of you are smarter than that


BTW, buy rubber soled boots and problem solved. They dry in no time...

 

[Trout Nazi]

Six pages and not one of you can figure out that Future Fanatic is toying with you all because of all the crap we've given him over fracking? C'mon, most/some of you are smarter than that


BTW, buy rubber soled boots and problem solved. They dry in no time...

And shoot all of the ducks, herons, and other water fowl you see also before they fly off to another river.

I'm sorry, I'm just angry today. Its a nice day, I'm sober, and not fishing.:crap:

 

[MACFLY]

Dam you rusty

I was planning to start a pool and you ruined it

Six pages and not one of you can figure out that Future Fanatic is toying with you all because of all the crap we've given him over fracking? C'mon, most/some of you are smarter than that


BTW, buy rubber soled boots and problem solved. They dry in no time...

 

[Future Fanatic]

Well, here it is:
When I saw the original post, I thought "what the heck is in that stuff?" I found the active ingredients to be "dimethylbenzylammoniumchloride" and "dimethylethylbenzylammoniumchloride". Gee, those sound familiar. And of course, to me, they were.

So like Rusty posted, I toyed with some folks. Danme can't help himself when it comes to trying to "prove" me an ass so I asked some questions. And of course Danme HAD to investigate just to shut this lawyer up... He was on the hook, so away we go... (HE CALLED THE COMPANY! Just too good).

I've got to hand it to Trout Nazi and Brown Chicken Brown Trout for playing it straight and offering up quality info. Thanks. Really.

They discussed how safe it is and how effective it is... It was mentioned as having uses in hospitals, swimming pools, hair products...

It was mentioned how the stuff breaks down quickly in the environment... Great stuff.

But I kept askin' the great "anti" question... But is it safe?

I almost posted that we needed a moratorium on the use of Enviroguard64 until it could be proven to NOT be harmful to the environment, but I figured that was a bit over the top...

Then some jumped on the bandwagon; it couldn't have been much better.

Nearly lost it when this popped up:

"We can all agree that we don't want to use something that will negatively impact the environment, right?"

But fracking is safe and sound, right?

Oh the irony...

And then this in response to what lightenup just wrote:

Well played sir!

WELL PLAYED INDEED!

You guys are fighting me about my feigned opposition to a chemical USED IN FRACKING FLUIDS.

Yeah, the active ingredient in Enviroguard64 is used in many fracturing fluid compositions as a biocide. The biocide portion of a fracking mix is often railed against by ANTIs as killing all microscopic life it comes in contact with and how horrible it is for the environment.

Now here we have flyfishermen, who are often against NG drilling, studying how effective and safe it is to slather their equipment in fracking fluid. AND they do it at a higher concentration than what is used in Fracking fluid!

And it is safe, here:

Look F.F -- It is SAFE FOE THE ENVIROMENT when it is used as directed -- It is safer than BLEACH -- they are using this religiously in California -- Cal Trout and Californias TU have ENdorsed the product -- It from what I understand has been tested under Normal Flora conditions for a river at it has no effect on the "NORMAL" life as of now --

SO, one fracking chemical has been deemed safe by pro environmentally leaning folks, just a dozen or so more to go... Wait, phosporic acid was also mentioned as being safe... TWO down... This won't take too much longer...

To wrap this up, I believe Enviroguard to be effective and safe; I endorse the product

Antis can certainly seem to lack common sense in their opposition to products/chemicals that are used as directed, huh?

Thank you to those who added great info. Thanks to those who dislike my views on fracking(or me in general) and played your part.

I hope we all learned something here...

 

[dcabarle]

Well, here it is:
When I saw the original post, I thought "what the heck is in that stuff?" I found the active ingredients to be "dimethylbenzylammoniumchloride" and "dimethylethylbenzylammoniumchloride". Gee, those sound familiar. And of course, to me, they were.

So like Rusty posted, I toyed with some folks. Danme can't help himself when it comes to trying to "prove" me an ass so I asked some questions. And of course Danme HAD to investigate just to shut this lawyer up... He was on the hook, so away we go... (HE CALLED THE COMPANY! Just too good).

I've got to hand it to Trout Nazi and Brown Chicken Brown Trout for playing it straight and offering up quality info. Thanks. Really.

They discussed how safe it is and how effective it is... It was mentioned as having uses in hospitals, swimming pools, hair products...

It was mentioned how the stuff breaks down quickly in the environment... Great stuff.

But I kept askin' the great "anti" question... But is it safe?

I almost posted that we needed a moratorium on the use of Enviroguard64 until it could be proven to NOT be harmful to the environment, but I figured that was a bit over the top...

Then some jumped on the bandwagon; it couldn't have been much better.

Nearly lost it when this popped up:

Oh the irony...

And then this in response to what lightenup just wrote:


WELL PLAYED INDEED!

You guys are fighting me about my feigned opposition to a chemical USED IN FRACKING FLUIDS.

Yeah, the active ingredient in Enviroguard64 is used in many fracturing fluid compositions as a biocide. The biocide portion of a fracking mix is often railed against by ANTIs as killing all microscopic life it comes in contact with and how horrible it is for the environment.

Now here we have flyfishermen, who are often against NG drilling, studying how effective and safe it is to slather their equipment in fracking fluid. AND they do it at a higher concentration than what is used in Fracking fluid!

And it is safe, here:


SO, one fracking chemical has been deemed safe by pro environmentally leaning folks, just a dozen or so more to go... Wait, phosporic acid was also mentioned as being safe... TWO down... This won't take too much longer...

To wrap this up, I believe Enviroguard to be effective and safe; I endorse the product

Antis can certainly seem to lack common sense in their opposition to products/chemicals that are used as directed, huh?

Thank you to those who added great info. Thanks to those who dislike my views on fracking(or me in general) and played your part.

I hope we all learned something here...

Isn't science about questioning everything over and over and over again, thousands of times?

I've always enjoyed your posts and your questioning of everything.

I imagine you'll still be slammed for this but whatever...

I'm still against fracking but hey, that's just me... You make some very interesting observations and point out that there might be another point of view. That makes people think and learn a little something about things they may not otherwise have known.

Thanks again.

 

[lightenup]

Well, here it is:
When I saw the original post, I thought "what the heck is in that stuff?" I found the active ingredients to be "dimethylbenzylammoniumchloride" and "dimethylethylbenzylammoniumchloride". Gee, those sound familiar. And of course, to me, they were.

So like Rusty posted, I toyed with some folks. Danme can't help himself when it comes to trying to "prove" me an ass so I asked some questions. And of course Danme HAD to investigate just to shut this lawyer up... He was on the hook, so away we go... (HE CALLED THE COMPANY! Just too good).

I've got to hand it to Trout Nazi and Brown Chicken Brown Trout for playing it straight and offering up quality info. Thanks. Really.

They discussed how safe it is and how effective it is... It was mentioned as having uses in hospitals, swimming pools, hair products...

It was mentioned how the stuff breaks down quickly in the environment... Great stuff.

But I kept askin' the great "anti" question... But is it safe?

I almost posted that we needed a moratorium on the use of Enviroguard64 until it could be proven to NOT be harmful to the environment, but I figured that was a bit over the top...

Then some jumped on the bandwagon; it couldn't have been much better.

Nearly lost it when this popped up:

Oh the irony...

And then this in response to what lightenup just wrote:


WELL PLAYED INDEED!

You guys are fighting me about my feigned opposition to a chemical USED IN FRACKING FLUIDS.

Yeah, the active ingredient in Enviroguard64 is used in many fracturing fluid compositions as a biocide. The biocide portion of a fracking mix is often railed against by ANTIs as killing all microscopic life it comes in contact with and how horrible it is for the environment.

Now here we have flyfishermen, who are often against NG drilling, studying how effective and safe it is to slather their equipment in fracking fluid. AND they do it at a higher concentration than what is used in Fracking fluid!

And it is safe, here:


SO, one fracking chemical has been deemed safe by pro environmentally leaning folks, just a dozen or so more to go... Wait, phosporic acid was also mentioned as being safe... TWO down... This won't take too much longer...

To wrap this up, I believe Enviroguard to be effective and safe; I endorse the product

Antis can certainly seem to lack common sense in their opposition to products/chemicals that are used as directed, huh?

Thank you to those who added great info. Thanks to those who dislike my views on fracking(or me in general) and played your part.

I hope we all learned something here...

First of all. I am against fracking, because it is being done without enough scientific knowledge of what the consequences are. I am all for domestic energy exploitation, if it is done without jeopardizing the water supply of 15 million people. Second...everything in moderation...this chemical, as stated by Danme, is used in a dilution with water, same as bleach..which when used in full concentration is deadly to everything as well. I will not be using the chemical, because I have rubber soles, and do not fish in areas that have know invasive species yet....and I am sure that rubber soles will not fix everything...so I guess you have come full circle now. I still believe you to be wrong and hypocritical with your argument. You stand behind fracking, but condemn a chemical that is used in fracking, or are just trying to prove a point, and you really care about the environment.
But once again, thank you for all your useful information, and completing your circle.
One fracking accident, and the Delaware river could be history....
One accident by Danme and his chemical and a few inches of the SBR might smell funny for a second or two....
Lets keep things in perspective...

 

[dcabarle]

Another way to look at it is that fluoride and bleach are both in your tap water but you wouldn't drink a gallon of bleach or flouride.

 

[Rusty Spinner]

I almost posted that we needed a moratorium on the use of Enviroguard64 until it could be proven to NOT be harmful to the environment, but I figured that was a bit over the top...

I hear NY has a moratorium on the stuff but PA is handing it out at all boat launch ramps.

Yeah, the active ingredient in Enviroguard64 is used in many fracturing fluid compositions as a biocide. The biocide portion of a fracking mix is often railed against by ANTIs as killing all microscopic life it comes in contact with and how horrible it is for the environment.

Now here we have flyfishermen, who are often against NG drilling, studying how effective and safe it is to slather their equipment in fracking fluid. AND they do it at a higher concentration than what is used in Fracking fluid!

True, but in no way can we compare a gallon or two over a period of time into any one river of this stuff to the potential of millions of gallons of fracking fluid for each well that remains underground after a well is fracked from possibly entering our drinking water...

 

[danme]

First off -- I have never gotten involved in any FRACKING conversations -- IMOVHO -- Fracking is needed and all this B/S about peoples water catching on fire is what it is Bullshit -- When I was in Michigan the house we rented had NATURAL GAS in the well -- you could smell it and yes the Water caught on fire if you tried lightening it took some time to light it too because there wasnt that much. -- It also ruined 2 well pumps in 4 years.-- At that time there was NO FRACKING going on anywhere. SO fracking has nothing to do with Natural Gas in wells

As soon as I saw some JACKASS politically motivated Liberal do a documentary on Fracking I already knew that for the most part Wellls having Natural Gas in them was just that and had nothing to do with FRACKING-- But Some Bleeding Heart Liberal cant tell the truth about wells having Gas BEFORE FRACKING was ever around. As usual LIES and Deciept.


So why drag me into something that I have never discussed on here with anyone. WTF this was just plain Stupid I stayed very far away from that because It wasnt worth my time or energy to Give my opinion on it, and, we all know what opinions are -- People believe what they want to believe and any proof you give will just go by the wayside -- As did F.F. with this EnviroGuard64 Didnt want to hear or read shit. Already had his mind made up thay it wasn't safe.-- Or so I thought

Like I said why am I being dragged into some argument about FRACKING -- When I KNOW it needs to be done and is more or less safe or as safe as any other type of hydrocarbon well is

 

[danme]

Six pages and not one of you can figure out that Future Fanatic is toying with you all because of all the crap we've given him over fracking? C'mon, most/some of you are smarter than that


BTW, buy rubber soled boots and problem solved. They dry in no time...

As I stated earlier Brian -- I never got involved in the whole FRACKING mess on here. Rubber Soled boots aren't the answer either Brian -- I know TU feels very strongly about that, but what do u do about the materials the Boot are made of They transport it just as much as the felt soles would especially if they are wet and apparently even after dried some of this stuff still lives for days and even months.

Something needs to applied the Whole Boot/wader System, Fly Lines etc., in order to assure the we as fishermen/women do not add to the already messed up eco-system that are rivers are in.

Many fishermen have stated that the rubber soled boots do not work like felts do -- In fact quite a few have stated (not really sure of this one) that they have broken ankles and legs from slipping on the rocks with the rubber soled boots.

Simms was going to totally do away wuth Felts. Guess what they started losing money and the next year came right back out with the felt soled boots. SO even the manufacturers that were on board with this have more or less jumped ship.

This product may be the answer to stop all the invasives from being transported. it can be used on all your gear and i't really is not expensive when you look at the price and how much you cut it with water before being applied. You can also reuse this stuff after washing in a footbath Just get a seperate bottle and there you have it re-use it -- it has a 3yr shelf life.

 

[Trouser Trout]

Hi All

Was just browsing looking around and I found this product that is supposed to STOP THE SPREAD OF ROCK SNOT and Other Invasives It's called EnviroGuard64 --- Link below

https://catalog.theflyshop.com/prod...=7935&osCsid=2b817tt1vh6avpkpr2h36vu9343s0jv5

Im going to try this stuff out and see if it really does work -- I would think that is it is being used by the Coast Guard on the Great lakes there must be some credibility to it

We have a responsibility as sportsman to do all we can to stop the Biological Polution from river to river anything that will work and is safe for your equipment is a plus

Peace
Dan

Has there been any research on how this could work sterilizing, cleaning and disinfecting my taint after sweating all day on a 95 degree summer day? Growing conditions on the taint during those days must be better than a petrie dish.

 

[danme]

Has there been any research on how this could work sterilizing, cleaning and disinfecting my taint after sweating all day on a 95 degree summer day? Growing conditions on the taint during those days must be better than a petrie dish.

Yes T.T -- It will work just fine -- Just be careful applying it to the ANUS and the area Close to it -- It has been said to cause Hemoroids the size of Golf Balls -- LOL

 

[lightenup]

Has there been any research on how this could work sterilizing, cleaning and disinfecting my taint after sweating all day on a 95 degree summer day? Growing conditions on the taint during those days must be better than a petrie dish.

Use monkey butt powder...or corn starch, but that tends to ball up.....

and Dan...no one but FF is trying to draw you into a fracking argument......but it is BAD!!!

 

[Future Fanatic]

I hear NY has a moratorium on the stuff but PA is handing it out at all boat launch ramps.



True, but in no way can we compare a gallon or two over a period of time into any one river of this stuff to the potential of millions of gallons of fracking fluid for each well that remains underground after a well is fracked from possibly entering our drinking water...

There's no moratorium on using Enviroguard64 in NY... not that I'VE heard... be careful what you post here Rusty... people will believe some of what they read...

Millions of gallons of fracking fluid... over 99% of which is sand and water. .001% is a biocide. 1/1000 of a percent. Sure it's still a bunch, but not NEAR the concentration you mix up to put on your waders. It's pumped over a mile underground. Picture a mile... 5280 feet. The water table is but a few hundred feet down. They put this stuff in SHAMPOOS AND CONDITIONERS for god's sake... As stated in this thread it breaks down easily in the environment when it contacts free electrons ... Much of the remainder is pumped out and treated(if it lasts that long...)

C'mon guys... laugh a little... A drilling company pumps biocide a mile underground and it's going to alter life as we know it, but a fly fisherman slathers it on his waders, boats and equipment where its residue can enter a trout stream, all in the name of PROTECTING the waterway AND we call it ENVIROGUARD64! Priceless....

 

[danme]

I guess you have NOTHING to say about my post specifically to you about this Whole FRACKING MESS on this site -- Hmmm Interesting

 

[Future Fanatic]

Use monkey butt powder...or corn starch, but that tends to ball up.....

and Dan...no one but FF is trying to draw you into a fracking argument......but it is BAD!!!

I wasn't drawing him into a fracking argument. His distaste for ME spurred him to find evidence that "dimethylbenzylammoniumchloride" and "dimethylethylbenzylammoniumchloride" could safely coexist with a healthy environment. He obviously does not buy all the negative hype and disinformation out there about fracking, but that was NOT the reason for his role here.

 

[Trouser Trout]

I wasn't drawing him into a fracking argument. His distaste for ME spurred him to find evidence that "dimethylbenzylammoniumchloride" and "dimethylethylbenzylammoniumchloride" could safely coexist with a healthy environment. He obviously does not buy all the negative hype and disinformation out there about fracking, but that was NOT the reason for his role here.

Come on FF..give us a break..... you were baiting him and going down the fracturing fluid road with your questions....I made a post referencing such as soon as i read yours. I still would like to know if it works on the taint?

 

[danme]

I wasn't drawing him into a fracking argument. His distaste for ME spurred him to find evidence that "dimethylbenzylammoniumchloride" and "dimethylethylbenzylammoniumchloride" could safely coexist with a healthy environment. He obviously does not buy all the negative hype and disinformation out there about fracking, but that was NOT the reason for his role here.

Wow -- talk about an EGO -- F.F. I have no "distaste for you" -- In fact I dont even know you -- so how could i have a distaste for you. I dont judge people ever -- Especially on a chat board/Forum -- Be pretty narrow minded of me to to dislike you becaus of a forum or anyone for that matter.

So whats your point!!!! Still dragged me into something I had NOTHING to do with --- I have no idea why either -- One thing about me you push me far enough I will push back and I will get the info needed to prove what Im saying

Peace
Dan

 

[danme]

Come on FF..give us a break..... you were baiting him and going down the fracturing fluid road with your questions....I made a post referencing such as soon as i read yours. I still would like to know if it works on the taint?

T.T.-- I answered your question on the Taint -- Read The post below your Taint post -- I tink you'll like it

 

[Future Fanatic]

First of all. I am against fracking, because it is being done without enough scientific knowledge of what the consequences are.

It's been done for over sixty years in over a million wells... Shouldn't there be people walking around with three eyes by now or mass graves popping up in Texas, Wyoming, Louisiana, or Oklahoma? The problem seems to be that science will NEVER change the mind of someone who does not WANT to believe it. The reasons for the opposition to natural gas extraction are a bit more complicated...

 

[Future Fanatic]

Come on FF..give us a break..... you were baiting him and going down the fracturing fluid road with your questions....I made a post referencing such as soon as i read yours. I still would like to know if it works on the taint?

Sure TT. But what he thought about fracking didn't matter. He could be for or against it. He was pitchin' a chemical that happened to be a chemical used in fracking. I just wanted some folks to say how great it was. Then, MY fracking argument... Again what he thought about fracking wasn't the issue. He isn't IN a fracking argument... his argument was a pro Eniviroguard64 one.

Yeah, I know nothing about your taint. Sorry. Seems like a question for Steve White.

 

[danme]

again -- he has no response to my post about Me having a "Distaste for him" LOL -- This is just plain Stupid

 

[Future Fanatic]

again -- he has no response to my post about Me having a "Distaste for him" LOL -- This is just plain Stupid

Danme,
Maybe you're right.
BUT, if I could search through some of our past back and forths on this site I think it would paint a picture of you not being to fond of me.

The owner of this site can't seem to fix the problem of NOT BEING ABLE TO SEARCH THROUGH POSTS BETWEEN 2008 and 2012. I've got a pretty good memory BUT it only helps me know that certain info is here, SOMEWHERE, but I still need to FIND it to back up my recollections... It's a REAL DRAG to not be able to find certain things EASILY. Wink, Wink....

Maybe YOUR memory is not so good, and you can't remember that you don't like me.

Look at your post to me EARLY in this thread:

As usual F.F. has to be the 'SKEPTIC" Look F.F. Did you hit the link?? Did you read the page from the link?? Thats all I know about the product. Im going to try it -- to me it sure sounds much safer than using Bleach on your wading shoes and gear

Yes Freddy Bleach will work but bleach is also very hard on Leather and Synthetic Leather products which is USUALLY but not always used to make the wading shoes (Thats for F.F. Since he loves to put words in other peoples mouths) not to mention what its doing to your felt soles. Joe D is correct in what he said about Bleach.

Im going to try this out -- to me it is much safer than carrying bleach around in your vehicle and possibly having it leak if the bottle its in becomes compromised all over your gear.

Now to answer F.F. question -- How will I know if it works?? -- I'll get rock snot and river water then use the product as per the instructions and see if it kills it LMFAO. If it dies then I guess it works -- But then again your the "SKEPTIC"and I suspect your a LAWYER -- and the Fly Shop Inc. Says it works --- Wouldn't that be "FALSE ADVERTISING" HMMMM Maybe you can throw a law Suit at them Huh F.F. Might get you some bucks there F.F. LMFAO

You still don't think you have some sort of "distaste" of me?

I counted on it... and you did not disappoint.

 

[danme]

No I dont -- as I said earlier -- I dont even KNOW YOU -- I dont dilkike or like anyone I have NEVER MET --- So how could I "have a DISTASTE FOR YOU" -- Maybe you have a DIstaste for me and thats why you started all the Bulshit -- Maybe you should look in the mirror before passing judgement on someone.

And YES you dragged me into this FRACKING ARGUMENT -- Why?? I dont know?? -- In fact I was wondering where all the B/S was coming from --- Especially since you say you care about the enviroment.

Food For Thought

Again I have no reason to dislike you at all or anyone on this site -- I hate the controversy on here -- I have THICK SKIN believe me -- But not on certain subject such as Fly Fishing and Stream Conservation -- Im passionate abot these subjects and worry where this sport is going and If it will be around over the next 10-20 yrs ( No im not going to elaborate on this it will just cause another dispute)

Peace
Dan

 

[Future Fanatic]

No I dont -- as I said earlier -- I dont even KNOW YOU -- I dont dilkike or like anyone I have NEVER MET --- So how could I "have a DISTASTE FOR YOU" -- Maybe you have a DIstaste for me and thats why you started all the Bulshit -- Maybe you should look in the mirror before passing judgement on someone.

And YES you dragged me into this FRACKING ARGUMENT -- Why?? I dont know?? -- In fact I was wondering where all the B/S was coming from --- Especially since you say you care about the enviroment.

Food For Thought

Again I have no reason to dislike you at all or anyone on this site -- I hate the controversy on here -- I have THICK SKIN believe me -- But not on certain subject such as Fly Fishing and Stream Conservation -- Im passionate abot these subjects and worry where this sport is going and If it will be around over the next 10-20 yrs ( No im not going to elaborate on this it will just cause another dispute)

Peace
Dan

Danme,

You don't think that the red portions of the quote of yours show that you are not fond of me?

Maybe our definitions of like and dislike are different.

For instance, I would say I dislike Bernie Madoff or President Assad or Josef Stalin(yeah I know he's dead.)
Now I don't want to put words in your mouth, but it seems you are saying that you would be neutral on these guys since you never met them, is that right?

And again, you were arguing about the benefits of Enviroguard64. I brought up fracking as it related to the same chemical in both. I'm sorry if you feel that your promoting a product linked you to an argument about something else. Think of it as if one was talking about how great a certain Phoebe was at catching fish and then someone brings up treble hook mortality and disfigurement. Not the conversation he wanted, but he certainly wasn't making an argument for killing or disfiguring trout... Should the Phoebe promoter say "Why did you drag me into an argument about killing and disfiguring trout?