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JOE.T
Dry Flies Only
Soory Ralph I have to disagree 100%.
When fishing any river other than the D I use a T&T 7'9 3wt lps,with an lamson lp reel.
I have been using it on the Bkill since 93 and have caught to many fish to count with it..Over fight?No way ...Not on the Bkill > the fish are stocked and do not fight like the D fish do.And the wild ones are typically much smaller than the D fish.
I have never had a situation where I couldnt reach a fish with that rod anywhere on the Bkill,and never had a fish that was so big and strong that I felt a heavier rod would have helped.
Btw I use it for dries and nymphing
When fishing any river other than the D I use a T&T 7'9 3wt lps,with an lamson lp reel.
I have been using it on the Bkill since 93 and have caught to many fish to count with it..Over fight?No way ...Not on the Bkill > the fish are stocked and do not fight like the D fish do.And the wild ones are typically much smaller than the D fish.
I have never had a situation where I couldnt reach a fish with that rod anywhere on the Bkill,and never had a fish that was so big and strong that I felt a heavier rod would have helped.
Btw I use it for dries and nymphing
Mark Griffin
New member
NJstomp, you'll do just fine with that rod. For many years my Beaverkill rod has been an Orvis Superfine Tippet, 1.5 ounce, 7.5' for 3 weight line. I don't fish heavy nymphs and streamers so it works great on that river, and with those fish. Your rod has a good bit more punch than mine, so you should be fine. Have fun.
Fly Ty R
O' knowledgable professor of poetry and trout
A 3 wt is adequate. Got 2 2ft browns and several 18-20" browns to my name on that river with my 3wt, and it didn't kill me at all. Just have to know how to use the rod to your advantage, not the fish's, which I think a lot of trout fisherman lack knowledge in. Take a few saltwater trips to find out what I'm talking about... 
Sometimes you'll want a larger rod, though, because it always seems like the fish are rising just 10ft farther than you can cast....
Sometimes you'll want a larger rod, though, because it always seems like the fish are rising just 10ft farther than you can cast....
rford
Less Than Beeko
NJ STOPM
Sarcastic Suggestions when using your 3 wt on the Beaverkill...
It is always best to use the 3 wt in the middle of the summer when the water is very low and hot. Trout like fighting in really hot water.
Trout fight much better on a 3 wt then a 5 or 6wt, so it will make you feel like you caught a bigger fish.
If the water is High even better , than when you are fighting the fish, if he catches a nice rapid, you can point your Rod tip straight at the fish and let him take you half way through your backing, then it will be a really good fight like Brad Pitt had in a RRTI.
Forget about all the technical stuff or what is in the trouts best interest, If the waters high and muddy, you will not be able to throw a big streamer with it, do it anyway, use real heavy tippet and chuck away, your rod tip will probably not break.
Oh yea and if you need to Nymph on the bottom in a heavy rapid with split shot , 3 wts are very effective for roll casting and chuck and ducking.
all kidding aside... you can catch a steelhead on a 3 wt, but do you want to? ( yea , I guess we all do, but you better have an extra rod with you )
If you are a great Caster your 3 wt will be fine for dry flies. But by NJ standards the beaverkill is huge, by catskill standards the lower beaverkill is still very big, the East Branch/west and Main stem are the only bigger rivers. By the way last year we had a drought , and the Beaverkill was half empty, so if that happens again, there may be no fishing the BK so this may be a moot point, and you may be forced to fish an alternate river.
My point is this, there are alot of variables when you go fishing up there, bringing a 3 wt is limiting yourself in MY opinion..despite my esteemed collegues on this board. If I was you I would go out and by a 5 wt, you should have one anyway.
Not having one is like not having a 7 iron in your golf bag. And the point of your trip is to have a good time not to go up there get overwhelmed , wind up driving to another river, and having an empty bag!.
Good Luck,
Ralph
Sarcastic Suggestions when using your 3 wt on the Beaverkill...
It is always best to use the 3 wt in the middle of the summer when the water is very low and hot. Trout like fighting in really hot water.
Trout fight much better on a 3 wt then a 5 or 6wt, so it will make you feel like you caught a bigger fish.
If the water is High even better , than when you are fighting the fish, if he catches a nice rapid, you can point your Rod tip straight at the fish and let him take you half way through your backing, then it will be a really good fight like Brad Pitt had in a RRTI.
Forget about all the technical stuff or what is in the trouts best interest, If the waters high and muddy, you will not be able to throw a big streamer with it, do it anyway, use real heavy tippet and chuck away, your rod tip will probably not break.
Oh yea and if you need to Nymph on the bottom in a heavy rapid with split shot , 3 wts are very effective for roll casting and chuck and ducking.
all kidding aside... you can catch a steelhead on a 3 wt, but do you want to? ( yea , I guess we all do, but you better have an extra rod with you )
If you are a great Caster your 3 wt will be fine for dry flies. But by NJ standards the beaverkill is huge, by catskill standards the lower beaverkill is still very big, the East Branch/west and Main stem are the only bigger rivers. By the way last year we had a drought , and the Beaverkill was half empty, so if that happens again, there may be no fishing the BK so this may be a moot point, and you may be forced to fish an alternate river.
My point is this, there are alot of variables when you go fishing up there, bringing a 3 wt is limiting yourself in MY opinion..despite my esteemed collegues on this board. If I was you I would go out and by a 5 wt, you should have one anyway.
Not having one is like not having a 7 iron in your golf bag. And the point of your trip is to have a good time not to go up there get overwhelmed , wind up driving to another river, and having an empty bag!.
Good Luck,
Ralph
Joe D
Registered User
NJ Stomp,rford said:
Ralph makes a very valid point.
IMHO, a 9' 5wt. is the best choice of an all around rod for the area, with a back up six weight for throwing big streamers in high water. The three weight is fine for dries, as long as you don't baby or over play the fish.
Joe
Flyfisherman128
Just finished a River Runs Through it!
I love my Orvis 3wt for the Beaverkill....early season.. Last year when the waters got really warm I noticed that it was taking too long to get the fish in with that rod and they were really beat by the time I got them loose. I switched to a 5 wt rod so I could release faster. But 90% of the time its what I use.
Basically the line weight is for throwing the fly, not fighting the fish. A 3 wt can fight trout OK. Presenting the fly can be a problem sometimes with a light weight outfit.
Rough rule of thumb is you can cast about 10 ft times line weight (skill has a lot to do with it). The 30' versus 50' range can make all the difference on a bigger stream.
Ralph well stated that a heavier line is needed to handle a heavier fly or to punch into the wind.
One more vote for the standard 9' 5wt. However, I'm not big on light lines and only go down to about a 4 wt.
Modern rods even in light weights can haul in a large fish - the weak link is the tippet. I saw George Harvey once and he claimed to fish with no smaller than 5X even for tricos. His point is that it is more challenging to hook wary fish on heavier tippets than lighter tippets and that heavier tippets are more sporting for that reason - your presentation has no room for error with a heavier tippet. The challenge should be in getting the trout to bite, not hauling it in and shortening the playing time is also more sporting. (reminds me the John Gierach wrote that he didn't know what a trout called the fight, but he doubted that it would be play.)
Rough rule of thumb is you can cast about 10 ft times line weight (skill has a lot to do with it). The 30' versus 50' range can make all the difference on a bigger stream.
Ralph well stated that a heavier line is needed to handle a heavier fly or to punch into the wind.
One more vote for the standard 9' 5wt. However, I'm not big on light lines and only go down to about a 4 wt.
Modern rods even in light weights can haul in a large fish - the weak link is the tippet. I saw George Harvey once and he claimed to fish with no smaller than 5X even for tricos. His point is that it is more challenging to hook wary fish on heavier tippets than lighter tippets and that heavier tippets are more sporting for that reason - your presentation has no room for error with a heavier tippet. The challenge should be in getting the trout to bite, not hauling it in and shortening the playing time is also more sporting. (reminds me the John Gierach wrote that he didn't know what a trout called the fight, but he doubted that it would be play.)
Thanks again. I snapped my 6 wt about 2 seasons ago and I only really fish local waters and WTS in Jersey so I have been fine with just my 3wt. Maybe its time to bite the bullet and get a new 5 wt. Most likely will be hitting up the D while I am right there so I guess I'm off to go find a new set up. Was really hope'n to be spending the money on a 9wt for Pulaski but I guess that can wait.
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Lucci
Master Baiter
Places to Camp on the Beaverkill?
NJ Stomp--
I don't mean to take the discussion off topic, but I noticed you were staying up there the weekend and was wondering where you were staying, and if you have a reports about the place.
I too am planning a trip up there mid to late may, but have not been able to decide on a place to camp out. I have come up with a few campsites: The Russell Brook (My favorite becuase it has a trout-bearing creek in it and you can pitch camp along this creek. I figured while I am at my campsite I can fish before and after fishing the Beaverkill, being able to perpetually fish on two different types of water.); The Roscoe Campsite (This is my second choice because, although it is right on the Beaverkill, it just doesn't have that creek.); Twin Islands Campsite (I don't know much about this one but that the site is on two islands split by BK, which might be cool.). I plan on camping in my tent, hopefully in a secluded area on one of these abovementioned campgrounds. I would also like to be at a site where I can drive to a store to grab something to eat, a place to buy beer or grab a drink at a bar, etc. I really want to focus on fishing and use my campsite as a place to sleep and relax, a low maitnence camping affair. My youngest brother is coming with me, who is not an experienced camper or ffisher, and I would like to make the experience as painless and enjoyable for him as I can. :drunk:
If anyone has any critiques on the metioned campgrounds or knows of a place more ammendable to the experience I wish to have, please chime in. Any help would be immensely appreciated.
NJstomp said:
NJ Stomp--
I don't mean to take the discussion off topic, but I noticed you were staying up there the weekend and was wondering where you were staying, and if you have a reports about the place.
I too am planning a trip up there mid to late may, but have not been able to decide on a place to camp out. I have come up with a few campsites: The Russell Brook (My favorite becuase it has a trout-bearing creek in it and you can pitch camp along this creek. I figured while I am at my campsite I can fish before and after fishing the Beaverkill, being able to perpetually fish on two different types of water.); The Roscoe Campsite (This is my second choice because, although it is right on the Beaverkill, it just doesn't have that creek.); Twin Islands Campsite (I don't know much about this one but that the site is on two islands split by BK, which might be cool.). I plan on camping in my tent, hopefully in a secluded area on one of these abovementioned campgrounds. I would also like to be at a site where I can drive to a store to grab something to eat, a place to buy beer or grab a drink at a bar, etc. I really want to focus on fishing and use my campsite as a place to sleep and relax, a low maitnence camping affair. My youngest brother is coming with me, who is not an experienced camper or ffisher, and I would like to make the experience as painless and enjoyable for him as I can. :drunk:
If anyone has any critiques on the metioned campgrounds or knows of a place more ammendable to the experience I wish to have, please chime in. Any help would be immensely appreciated.
JOE.T
Dry Flies Only
Lucci,
For what your looking to do the three mentioned above will do just fine.
If you where looking for something a little different, away from town(20 minutes or so)The covered bridge in Debruce on the Willow or the covered bridge on the upper bkill are nice as well with different water and scenery.
For what your looking to do the three mentioned above will do just fine.
If you where looking for something a little different, away from town(20 minutes or so)The covered bridge in Debruce on the Willow or the covered bridge on the upper bkill are nice as well with different water and scenery.
LoveBrookies
New member
If Your Not in NYC Your Just Camping OUt
The campsites you listed, do the have hook ups for travel trailers?
The campsites you listed, do the have hook ups for travel trailers?
Lucci
Master Baiter
LoveBrookies said:
Here are the links:
http://www.russellbrook.com/index.html
http://www.roscoecampsite.com/
http://www.twinislands.com/
LoveBrookies
New member
Campsites
Thanks Lucci for the info.
Thanks Lucci for the info.
