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eelweir

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Many of you have heard about the possible environmental damage gas drilling will inflict upon the Catskill region. Today -- July 23, 2008 -- Governor Patterson has a bill on his desk that would allow gas companies to fast-track the drilling process. There are far too many unaswered questions about gas drilling to allow this to move forward as currently proposed. The gas is not going anywhere (if it's there), so let's make sure the proper environmental safeguards are in place to protect our land and especially waterways. Please take two minutes and tell Governor Patterson to veto or table this bill until we can ensure that the Catskills we protected. This is not a referendum on whether gas drilling should happen -- it's about doing things the right way. Your grandkids and the trout will thanks you. Below is contact information on how to do this quickly and efficiently.

EW

An excellent 10-minute radio report - about the
impacts of Gas Drilling - is airing today on WNYC: WNYC - News - Natural Gas Drilling: Is New York Ready?

If you live (or own property) in New York State - please call and/or email the Governor today. Please ask him to NOT sign bill ... A10526.

Ask him to table the bill, or pocket-veto, or veto the bill. Share your concerns regarding the irreversible damage to our environment that Gas Drilling will cause.

To Call The Governor:
518-474-8390
To Email The Governor:
GOV SITE
 
Many of you have heard about the possible environmental damage gas drilling will inflict upon the Catskill region. Today -- July 23, 2008 -- Governor Patterson has a bill on his desk that would allow gas companies to fast-track the drilling process. There are far too many unaswered questions about gas drilling to allow this to move forward as currently proposed. The gas is not going anywhere (if it's there), so let's make sure the proper environmental safeguards are in place to protect our land and especially waterways. Please take two minutes and tell Governor Patterson to veto or table this bill until we can ensure that the Catskills we protected. This is not a referendum on whether gas drilling should happen -- it's about doing things the right way. Your grandkids and the trout will thanks you. Below is contact information on how to do this quickly and efficiently.

EW

An excellent 10-minute radio report - about the
impacts of Gas Drilling - is airing today on WNYC: WNYC - News - Natural Gas Drilling: Is New York Ready?

If you live (or own property) in New York State - please call and/or email the Governor today. Please ask him to NOT sign bill ... A10526.

Ask him to table the bill, or pocket-veto, or veto the bill. Share your concerns regarding the irreversible damage to our environment that Gas Drilling will cause.

To Call The Governor:
518-474-8390
To Email The Governor:
GOV SITE

Just two quick questions...

What are some of the "too many unanswered questions"? and

What is "the irreversible damage to the environment that gas drilling will cause"?

Thanks.
 
Actually, one of the major unanswered questions is the amount of ground water which will be needed in order to fracture the shale in this region to get at the natural gas trapped beneath and within it. Pumping potentially millions of gallons of water each day deep into the earth (and below current aquifers) is an unknown, at best. It could potentially cause lower water tables, meaning less water in the rivers that trout live in.

I do know that TU is actively involved in this rapidly growing issue, but I don't know too many details beyond that. With rapidly rising oil/energy prices, alternate technologies for new sources of natural gas that might have been cost prohibitive only a few years ago are all now on the table. I agree that further study needs to happen so we can properly understand any impacts to our environment. But that's just my $0.02.
 
There is plenty of literature out there to raise serious doubts about this technology. Simply Google "gas drilling" or "fracking" and decide for yourself. But take a few minutes and contact the Gov. at the links in my first post. Remember: these are your trout streams -- not some gas company from Texas. If this project goes south, they will not be around to clean up the mess.

EW
 
Email sent to Gov. I see no harm in slowing down this process to make sure it's done right, or, perhaps not done at all.
 
I agree more study should be done. This is too important for a ready, fire, aim approach. Does anyone know NYC's position? If it's anything other than strongly opposed because of the reseviors / drinking water I'd be very surprised.
 
Given that I can't find out what"the irreversible damage to the environment that gas drilling will cause", I'll just have to ask tomorrow at the meeting.

There is an informational meeting about the whole gas drilling thing, tomorrow the 24th. I believe it is at 7:30 PM at the Delhi High School. This will be my fourth meeting...one can never have enough info. (Which, I believe, is part of the problem here).
 
I agree more study should be done. This is too important for a ready, fire, aim approach. Does anyone know NYC's position? If it's anything other than strongly opposed because of the reseviors / drinking water I'd be very surprised.

NYC has been rather mum on the whole deal. Given much of Delaware county is in the watershed, I'm sure the DEP/NYC will be discussed at the meeting tomorrow.

I think that NYC is busy trying to have a calculator built that will allow for all the zeros...

How many acres do they own? ;)
 
I would like to know more about these spills out west. They never say how much was spilled, what was spilled, and if contamination of water sources are caused by drilling or other? What were the PPM. They don't tell you that these are shallow wells 1000'-2500' just under the water table, not 7000'. They don't tell you that there are wells every few hundred feet.

What we need is more oversight not more laws.

By the way the Governor signed the bill.

The DRBC has oversight for well drilling permits for water withdrawls and as of today they have not received any applications for water withdrawl permits.

The DEC and DEP have said that they will not issue permits until the gas companies have permits from the DRBC or the SRBC.

For those of you who think this is going to happen overnite think again. This will be a long process. The DRBC is going to slow things down.
 
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Think these companies don't know whats going on, read this.
They are already working with the DRBC and SRBC.

Something the article hasn't said.


A consortium of oil & gas companies, including Chesapeake Energy and Cabot Energy, are working together to find ways to solve the difficulties of water management
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in drilling operations. As reported by CNBC:
A consortium of energy companies active in the Appalachian Basin have organized to form the Appalachian Shale Water Conservation and Management Committee (ASWCMC). The founding members include: Anadarko Petroleum, Cabot Oil & Gas, Chesapeake Energy, Chief Oil & Gas, EOG Resources, Equitable Resources, J-W Operating, Marathon Oil Corporation and Range Resources. The ASWCMC has joined with the Gas Technology Institute (GTI), a leading research, development and training organization…
Initial goals of the ASWCMC will be to determine current and future water needs, water quality specifications for drilling and hydraulic fracturing, and to identify technologies that provide solutions for water management and water conservation. “There are several water treatment and recycling techniques, some of which are being tested in other shale fields. The consortium has engaged GTI to help us identify the options available and help us find the best techniques for use in Appalachia and the Marcellus Shale development,” said Len Paugh, Operations Manager with Range Resources.
 
YES TO DRILLING, BUT...

Two articles from the Press& Sun Bulletin; the first is from yesterday, the smaller second article is from today.

Paterson clears path for gas wells
Bill addresses environmental concerns, governor says
By Tom Wilber • Press & Sun-Bulletin • July 24, 2008

Natural gas drillers may have to wait a bit before they get down to business in the Southern Tier.

Once they do, however, it likely will be a better process for everybody, if a law signed by Gov. David Paterson goes according to plan.

Paterson signed a bill Wednesday to streamline the permitting process for natural gas wells drilled horizontally, while also ordering an overhaul of the process to regulate the environmental impact.

The decision is intended to address environmental concerns while laying the groundwork to allow drilling and its economic promise to proceed more efficiently.

The environmental review is likely to be completed next spring, said Judith Enck, Paterson's top environmental adviser. In the meantime, the state does not intend to grant permits for drillers seeking gas in the Marcellus Shale Formation.

"Our goal is to not have a bunch of permits scoot through before the environmental impact statement is done," Enck said.

A review for gas drilling was completed 16 years ago under the State Environmental Quality Review Act.

SEQRA does not take into account the extensive horizontal wells and hydraulic fracturing needed to tap the Marcellus Shale Formation under the Southern Tier. That process requires millions of gallons of water for each well and produces similar amounts of waste.

Paterson ordered the DEC to review all environmental ramifications from drilling, and ensure the agency has enough staffing to deal with them. The regulatory update will focus on the impact on groundwater, surface water, wetlands, air quality, aesthetics, noise, traffic and community character, as well as the cumulative impact. The update will be part of an effort to address concerns raised by residents and will include public hearings and a comment period.

"My administration is committed to working with the public and local governments to ensure that if the drilling goes forward, it takes place in the most environmentally responsible way possible," Paterson said in a prepared statement.

Current regulations overseeing the size and spacing of a drilling unit are designed for wells bored vertically into the Trenton Black River Formation. The much larger Marcellus wells can be permitted with current regulations, but they require variances and paperwork making the process cumbersome and impractical.

Spacing regulations are important to determine boundaries of a well and calculate royalties for property owners.

Fair distribution of a well's bounty is one of a rash of concerns raised at public meetings throughout the Southern Tier attended by thousands of residents questioning how drilling will affect land values, water, traffic, roads and quality of life. Enck attended a meeting in Greene this month and promised an ongoing dialogue with community members as the process unfolds.

Southern Tier stakeholders said they were satisfied with Paterson's approval of the bill with the accompanying directives to the DEC.

"It's a process where we will be learning as we move forward," said Sen. Thomas W. Libous, R-Binghamton, who voted for the bill. "We have to make sure the environment is protected ... I am pleased with what has happened so far."

Assemblywoman Donna A. Lupardo, D-Endwell, voted against the bill, but was happy with the outcome.

"I'm relieved," she said. "I'm satisfied that the right questions are being asked."

Lindsay Wickham, a field adviser with the New York State Farm Bureau, characterized the bill and DEC directives as "positive steps" to allow the process to move forward with necessary safeguards. Both of those are goals of the bureau, which advocates property owners' interests.

The prospects of tapping natural gas from the Marcellus Shale Formation have brought the anticipation of an economic boon as energy companies pay $2,500, plus royalties, to lease land. But the impact from horizontal drilling has raised environmental concerns.

"We're not trying to stop it. We're just trying to get it right," said Lupardo, citing past environmental disasters like TCE pollution affecting hundreds of properties in Endicott and other Southern Tier communities. "I don't want to stand here in 20 years and say 'Oh my gosh, look what happened.' Like we did in Endicott."

Meetings to be held on NY gas drilling
July 25, 2008The state Department of Environmental Conservation will hold a series of public meetings to assess the potential environmental effects of drilling for natural gas in the Marcellus Shale formation across the state’s Southern Tier.

DEC Commissioner Pete Grannis says the meetings are part of the agency’s work to update its Generic Environmental Impact Statement, published in 1992to guide the review of oil and gas drilling projects.

DEC Commissioner Pete Grannis says the meetings are part of the agency’s work to update its Generic Environmental Impact Statement, published in 1992to guide the review of oil and gas drilling projects.

DEC plans to have a draft version of the updated guide ready by early spring.
 
And also from today's Press & Sun Bulletin:


Well timed
State will review rules on gas drilling
July 25, 2008


Though the sudden transformation of the Southern Tier into a potential mother lode of natural gas excited many a resident -- especially landowners whose property would attract lease fees which have escalated to $2,500 an acre in some areas -- there were some, including Assemblywoman Donna Lupardo, D-Endwell, who thought a moratorium might be a good idea so the community could consider all the possible ramifications of the "gas rush."

As more than one observer has pointed out, however, that horse has left the barn and galloped away.

Still, there is the need to proceed carefully into this new world -- and legislation signed by Gov. David Paterson this week will be helpful in that regard.

The new law will streamline the permitting process for natural gas wells drilled horizontally -- good for the prospectors and landowners who might share in the profits -- but also will delay the drilling a while so that the state Department of Environmental Conservation can review the environmental impact of drilling and beef up the staffing to provide proper oversight.

The regulatory update will focus on the impact on groundwater, surface water, wetlands, air quality, aesthetics, noise, traffic and community character. Paterson said his administration "is committed to working with the public and local governments to ensure that if the drilling goes forward, it takes place in the most environmentally responsible way possible."

Of course one person's dream can be another person's nightmare, and there may never be full harmony between those who want to profit from their unexpected good fortune and those who don't want to be disturbed. But there is plenty of middle ground between progress and preservation.

Lupardo understands. She voted against the bill but said she was "satisfied that the right questions are being asked. ... We're not trying to stop it. We're just trying to get it right."

Sen. Thomas W. Libous, R-Binghamton, who voted for the bill, echoed the sentiment, noting "It's a process where we'll be learning as we move forward. We have to make sure the environment is protected ... I am pleased with what has happened so far."

The state's current regulations for the size and spacing of a gas drilling unit was designed for wells bored vertically. The vast Marcellus Shale Formation now being tapped -- which extends from New York to West Virginia -- can be accessed through horizontal drilling. The old regulations also did not address hydraulic fracturing -- a process involving millions of gallons of water for each well and similar amounts of waste material -- used to tap the Marcellus shale.

Spacing regulations are used to determine boundaries of a well and calculate royalties for property owners.

Judith Enck, Gov. Paterson's top environmental advisor, said the environmental review is likely to be completed next spring. In the meantime, the state does not intend to grant permits for drillers.

A little patience now could mean a lot better outcome later -- for everyone concerned.
 
I agree with the environmental review it's good business.

I just hope they don't start resricting property owners from being able to sign leases because of where the land is.
 
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