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Public Comment on Angler Registry

FYI
Ant

NOAA Fisheries is seeking public comment on proposed "registry" for anglers through August 11, 2008

http://www.st.nmfs.noaa.gov/mrip/aboutus/organization/anglerteam.html

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I seem to remember reading a article on how public registry is the first step toward needing an ocean license. I wish I could find it as I don't want to knowingly provide misinformation.

If that is the case I would certainly be against it. If they want to charge for a saltwater license thats fine, but just do it instead of doing a round about and slipping it in.

I don't personally see the need for it. Funding for ocean related agencies, fisheries enforcement and other activities is already funded by the 10% sport fishing excise taxes we pay on all fishing products purchased. Double dipping doesn't seam right.
 
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I seem to remember reading a article on how public registry is the first step toward needing an ocean license.
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Think about the paperwork you have to sign to get a Hunting or fishing license in NJ.....

Looking for deadbeat dads not paying their child support..
Most likley would have to sign that too even if it's not a license you are buying. It looks to be a Federal requirement.

Thoughts.

Hllywd
 
Funding for ocean related agencies, fisheries enforcement and other activities is already funded by the 10% sport fishing excise taxes we pay on all fishing products purchased. Double dipping doesn't seam right.

The excise tax funds all fisheries/DFW, including freshwater and saltwater and restoration projects for both. The state, I think, is actually obliged to use the funds for restoration projects or they will disqualify themselves from receiving future funds.

Why would anyone oppose a saltwater license if you're ok with buying a freshwater one (plus trout stamp). Of course, that is only if the funds actually are being used for habitat maintenance/improvment.

Just my 2 cents as former NJian.
 
All of your 10% excise tax goes into the pool, but none of it comes back to NJ.

1. Pool is collected by the Feds and distributed among states based on license sales. That is why some support having a saltwater fishing license. Currently there are about 130,000 fishing licenses sold in NJ, some think it could go to a million if salt water anglers are licensed and significantly increase the amount of the pie NJ is entitled to.

2. The hiring freeze on freshwater fisheries has meant that NJ has turned back the federal funds the last couple of years since they could not staff to spend the money. One more case of NJ sending more to Washington than we get back. I would hazard to guess that the average NJ fisherman spends more money on fishing tackle than his counterpart in nearly any other state and gets nothing for it.
 
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Just to add to what Jeff is saying, this is being pushed at the Federal level. If the states don't charge for a saltwater license, the feds will and all the monies will go to Washington DC instead. As for current best known numbers of saltwater anglers in NJ, that number is 650,000. As Jeff said, we sell roughly 130,000 freshwater licenses so the number of licensed anglers in NJ will jump significantly once this is in place. All funds will remain dedicated to saltwater habitat, enforcement, research, etc. and won't be used to control white-tailed deer, for example.

This year NJ could not receive over $300,000 in federal matching funds just from our Freshwater Fishing component of NJ F&W simply because the work needed could not be performed due to Trenton's hiring freeze and a lack of personnel to do the work. This number will only grow and other divisions (hunting, saltwater, etc.) have and will continue to lose federal matching funds for the same reason...
 
The Angler registry seems unneccesary and bogus. If i read it correctly they would want anglers to supply the state with info regarding what kind of fish were caught and size (for the month maybe ? ).Most people will probably supply the correct info but there will probably be people who would supply false info to endorse their own agenda . I can live with the license for the salt. It has been coming for a long time but the other stuff i can live with out.
 
Why would anyone oppose a saltwater license if you're ok with buying a freshwater one (plus trout stamp). Of course, that is only if the funds actually are being used for habitat maintenance/improvment.

I'm not opposed to it at all.
If they want to charge for a saltwater license thats fine, but just do it instead of doing a round about and slipping it in.
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The Angler registry seems unneccesary and bogus. If i read it correctly they would want anglers to supply the state with info regarding what kind of fish were caught and size (for the month maybe ? ).Most people will probably supply the correct info but there will probably be people who would supply false info to endorse their own agenda . I can live with the license for the salt. It has been coming for a long time but the other stuff i can live with out.

Right or wrong, this is something that migratory bird hunters have been having to do for years under the F&WS HIP program. I doubt the reported numbers are 100% correct but, at least it does give those empowered to set seasons and limits an idea of how many people participate.

I would think this is the same rationale behind a saltwater registration. If NOAA Fisheries knew who was fishing in the saltwater they would be able to ask for volunteers to provide some very basic fishing information. Again, similar to what F&WS does. In other words, instead of just trying to guess who woodcock hunts, F&WS is able to identify who actually does and then ask a sample of those hunters to volutarily provide their harvest statistics. This could be done for species like striped bass, fluke, etc. With most saltwater species knowing no state boundries this could hopefully lead to better management on a regional basis.
 
Funding for ocean related agencies, fisheries enforcement and other activities is already funded by the 10% sport fishing excise taxes we pay on all fishing products purchased. Double dipping doesn't seam right.

The way the federal funding works is that it is distributed based on the number of licenses a state sells. With many anglers not licensed the state looses out on that proportion. This is one reason why some states want to institute a juvenile freshwater fishing license. The more licenses sold, the more federal funds received.
 
A letter was printed a week or so ago saying Hunters didn't pay their fair share of taxes, and tried to use federal excess taxes as an example. Here is my reply printed on 8/05.
Hunters, anglers pay fair share



August 5, 2008
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To the Editor:

In a recent letter, Barbara Metzler of Brookside claims hunters are not paying their fair share. She points out correctly that under the federal Pittman-Robinson Act, (which returns tax monies to the states for wildlife management) all outdoor sporting equipment has an excess tax, paid by target shooters, and archers even if they do not hunt. Metzler, a well know animal rights activist, fails to mention how these monies are returned. The distribution of monies under Pittman-Robinson is based on the sales of hunting and fishing licenses in each state. So even if you are buying a firearm for competition shooting, no tax monies come back to New Jersey, so I guess hunters and anglers are paying their fair share. Metzler makes it sound as if hunters and anglers are second hand citizens; in fact we pay property taxes, sales taxes and yes, excess taxes just like everyone else. In fact, as a voting group we have more members, extended family members and likeminded friends then does the New Jersey Education Association.
Also in her letter, she refers to Green Acres bonds, and makes it sound like all lands purchased go to hunters. This is utter nonsense. Those lands that have become Wildlife Management Areas are open to all citizens of the state and are used by hikers, bird watchers, boaters, and horseback riders, besides hunters and anglers.
Frederick Ege
Mansfield
 
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Sorry about the ads, could not get it to copy without them from the daily record site.
 
Some great comments and insights posted. If you have a moment to send them to the link provided in the original post - although the registry looks like a "done deal" it certainly doesn't hurt to let thye feds know your thoughts.

Ant
 
The way this is set up any State would be foolish now not to establish a salt water license in view of the fact that lacking a license would mean the registry fees would accrue to the Feds and the State would miss out on pretty significant revenues which would be dedicated to the fisheries. I do agree that this seems like a backdoor approach to forcing a license on us.
 
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