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Nyc does not reflect our entire state

Catskill Mountain Man

Catskill Mountain Man

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I'm sick of our whole state being the bluest state in the entire union because of the hell hole that is nyc.

I firmly believe that our great state should be split into 2 or maybe even even 3 different voting blocks.

I love my state and especially my area the hudson valley but I feel my state and multiple other states should be split.

Dems always say "the constitution is a living breathing document that shouldn't be taken so seriously"

then why not take a look at our state boarders that have been the same for decades or centuries
 
Putting aside the politics and 4 more years of an empty suit, whats with all the hate around here for NYC? You live next to one of the greatest cities on the planet and your wasting your youth by not going there and having a good time? Whats wrong with you dumb rednecks?
 
Trout Nazi said:
Putting aside the politics and 4 more years of an empty suit, whats with all the hate around here for NYC? You live next to one of the greatest cities on the planet and your wasting your youth by not going there and having a good time? Whats wrong with you dumb rednecks?
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AI agree, but I haven't had much use for NYC since Giulliani shut down Show World.
 
There's a lot if interesting history on this as it has been discussed as recently as 2009.

Economically you'd be worse off. More money flows out of NYC then in.

Now if you want to talk about a state that needs to be split, it should be California.
 
CMM,

Sorry the election didn't go the way you wanted, but that happens in a democracy. The result reflects both the electroral and popular vote.

As far as splitting the state goes, I'm sure you'd get downstate support; it would mean a tax reduction for most city people.

let's just hope the people we've elected can learn to work together for the good of all the people.
 
Dusty Miller said:
let's just hope the people we've elected can learn to work together for the good of all the people.
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From your lips to God's ears. But what made a slim majority of voters think Obama will finally reach across the aisle this next 4 years when he completely refused to do so the past 4? When he says he's "willing to work with the other side" what he clearly means is he fully expects Republicans to cave in and go it his way which they have a mandate in the House not to do. Right now, I don't see either side capable of compromise. Let's hope I'm wrong.

BTW, CMM, NJ is in the same boat. The overwhelming majority in geography in this state is Republican, but the cities' populations put us well over the top on the Dem side.
 
I live in NJ and would like to see the electoral votes delegated by congressional district instead of winner take all, not just here, but throughout the country. I believe it woud be more in line with the intentions of the Founding Fathers, and would get more rural and suburban areas some say in states where the political machine controls the urban districts.
 
Pretty sad that the electoral college can vote against the way the popular vote goes.
 
Dusty Miller said:
Sorry the election didn't go the way you wanted, but that happens in a democracy. The result reflects both the electroral and popular vote.
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The United States is a Republic not a democracy. The result reflects the electoral college more than anything. I find it hard to believe any person with half a brain can support a person who has never passed a budget in his first four years, put us into more debt, and feels it necessary to apologize to the world for the things America does.
 
"Pretty sad that the electoral college can vote against the way the popular vote goes."

Did you feel that way when Al gore won the popular vote?
 
tompg said:
"Pretty sad that the electoral college can vote against the way the popular vote goes."

Did you feel that way when Al gore won the popular vote?
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He couldn't have done any worse than Barry. I wasn't even thinking about those things when I was that young. But when a group of people, the general public has no idea of, are electing our presidents, the actual election just seems like a smoke and mirrors show. It's as if they do it just to appease the masses.

Granted the president is a figure head, but there are people pulling their strings pushing their agendas on us.

Clearly the reelection of Barry was a good thing. We got things started off strong with a huge plunge in the stock market. Must be the other guys fault.
 
when obama took office the market was around 6500 now it is hovering around 13000 not to bad,also last time i checked he was leading in the popular vote.Peoples votes do matter because whoever wins the popular vote a state gets the electoral votes. If you didnt complain when the system worked for you ,you cant complain when it works against you.The election system we have in this country works better then any country in the world so stop being a sore loser cry baby. Oh by the way i wrote in ron paul.
 
trico mike said:
when obama took office the market was around 6500 now it is hovering around 13000 not to bad,also last time i checked he was leading in the popular vote.Peoples votes do matter because whoever wins the popular vote a state gets the electoral votes. If you didnt complain when the system worked for you ,you cant complain when it works against you.The election system we have in this country works better then any country in the world so stop being a sore loser cry baby. Oh by the way i wrote in ron paul.
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At least you voted for the right person. Not every state has laws requiring electorates to vote for the popular vote.

I'm not crying. I already know what's coming. Just going to have to hunker down and load up on precious metals. Lead and brass.

http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/electors.html#restrictions

There is no Constitutional provision or Federal law that requires Electors to vote according to the results of the popular vote in their States. Some States, however, require Electors to cast their votes according to the popular vote. These pledges fall into two categories—Electors bound by State law and those bound by pledges to political parties.

The U.S. Supreme Court has held that the Constitution does not require that Electors be completely free to act as they choose and therefore, political parties may extract pledges from electors to vote for the parties’ nominees. Some State laws provide that so-called "faithless Electors"; may be subject to fines or may be disqualified for casting an invalid vote and be replaced by a substitute elector. The Supreme Court has not specifically ruled on the question of whether pledges and penalties for failure to vote as pledged may be enforced under the Constitution. No Elector has ever been prosecuted for failing to vote as pledged.
 
There is no word that is more denigrating and dismissive than the Marxist word "masses". None of us consider ourselves as part of the "masses", but as individuals with our own concerns and opinions.


Regardless of party or ideology, to refer to the majority of Americans as the "masses" implies an ignorant, clueless, bunch of sheep. I would not use this term for anyone on this site or anyone I know.
 
NJpatbee said:
Regardless of party or ideology, to refer to the majority of Americans as the "masses" implies an ignorant, clueless, bunch of sheep. I would not use this term for anyone on this site or anyone I know.
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Most Americans are a bunch of sheep. Yesterday proved it.
 
NJpatbee said:
There is no word that is more denigrating and dismissive than the Marxist word "masses". None of us consider ourselves as part of the "masses", but as individuals with our own concerns and opinions.


Regardless of party or ideology, to refer to the majority of Americans as the "masses" implies an ignorant, clueless, bunch of sheep. I would not use this term for anyone on this site or anyone I know.
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The New Colossus... Marxist? :)
 
CTobias said:
No he voted for Ron Paul. The electorate voted for Obama.
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Listen, I would have preferred someone like Ron Paul to be in the mix also, but lets be realistic here. Writing in a name makes a great statement, but if you like Ron Paul, then you already lean right of center, and voting for him is taking a vote away from Romney, and essentially voting for Obama.
 
I can equate this election to given peanuts to an elephant. The elephant is very happy standing there taking the peanuts. What the elephant failed to realized is that the peanuts have a coast. Sometime in the not to distant future the person giving the elephant peanuts is going to shoot the elephant in the head and take his ivory tusks to pay for the peanuts.
 
Micheal Savage qouted that many years ago back in the 90's an i am sure someone else also has said before that.
Mike Savage called people...Sheeple
 
CTobias said:
The United States is a Republic not a democracy. The result reflects the electoral college more than anything. I find it hard to believe any person with half a brain can support a person who has never passed a budget in his first four years, put us into more debt, and feels it necessary to apologize to the world for the things America does.
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This is really not surprising at all. In the mid 90s pat buchannon wrote the first of several books that predicted what has now come to pass. We have essentially shifted demographically in a significant way. If you are a person receiving some form of government assistance and you are being told that the rich are screwing you and need to pay their fair share you are going to pull the lever to keep it going. Likewise if you are a woman being told that republicans want control of your body. The election was Pre determined and nothing short of president Obama making a huge overt blunder was going to change that.
 
this idea that the people who feel screwed by the rich are all on welfare or receiving assistance is way off. IMO most of those who feel screwed work their asses off only to get consolidated by the great job creators in their rush to maximize short-term gains. Sooner or later there will be no middle class to left to keep the rich rich. Then it will get real ugly.
 
Zonk said:
"In a democracy people get the government they deserve".
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Not true
Jefferson penned “An uneducated population can not choose their leaders properly.” With the left wing liberal media dumbing up the population and feeding lies and mistruths to put forth their socialist agenda. The socialist bigotry towards conservatives will continue unabated. They will systematically destroy the founding principles that were put in place to protect us from the same powers who want to change them. It is not the sheeps fault.It is the pro socilest media and entertainment industry at the root of this.
 
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