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There were 2 pieces to my analogy. You left out the alcohol.


Everybody's Friend said:
Lynch, the reason that people don't pursue a ban of vehicles is because they are necessary for society to function.

Semi automatic weapons are not so important for society to function.

As far as I can tell, all semi automatic weapons do is kill lots of innocent people.

So to compare the semi automatic weapon to the automobile, as if both were equally necessary in our society and to our citizens is a bit absurd.
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Everybody's Friend said:
Parents are necessary, semi automatic weapons are not...
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No they're not; what makes you so sure?

Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story:
“The importance of this article will scarcely be doubted by any persons, who have duly reflected upon the subject. The militia is the natural defence of a free country against sudden foreign invasions, domestic insurrections, and domestic usurpations of power by rulers. It is against sound policy for a free people to keep up large military establishments and standing armies in time of peace, both from the enormous expenses, with which they are attended, and the facile means, which they afford to ambitious and unprincipled rulers, to subvert the government, or trample upon the rights of the people. The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them. And yet, though this truth would seem so clear, and the importance of a well regulated militia would seem so undeniable, it cannot be disguised, that among the American people there is a growing indifference to any system of militia discipline, and a strong disposition, from a sense of its burthens, to be rid of all regulations. How it is practicable to keep the people duly armed without some organization, it is difficult to see. There is certainly no small danger, that indifference may lead to disgust, and disgust to contempt; and thus gradually undermine all the protection intended by this clause of our national bill of rights.”
 
Ok, so let me get this straight.

I've heard you guys argue that parents murder children, so we ought to ban parents.

Cars kill children, so we ought to ban cars.

And also bathtubs.

So you guys see semi automatic weapons as comparable to parents, cars, and bathtubs?
 
Everybody's Friend said:
These people totally discount the FACT that 20 kids (6 and 7 years old), were killed by a semi automatic weapon.
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Last I checked some nut job killed them. Pretty sure the rifle and pistols didn't walk into the school all by themselves and start shooting.

Nothing to say about the bolt action .22 that holds 25 rounds? That's what I thought, because you and the left know little to nothing about fire arms. All you know is they are "evil" and only the government and police should have them.
 
CTobias said:
...... All you know is they are "evil" and only the government and police should have them.
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And....It's a lot easier to give up rights that you're not using... they only affect "other people".
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How times have changed....

The first time I fired a rifle, was under the auspices of a main stream youth group.

As a teenager, using a hillside as a backstop, my friends and I shot targets in a Franklin Lakes NJ, backyard, in full sight of the neighbors and the street. If any of the neighbors or passing police patrols had a problem with it, they never mentioned it.

The ROTC department at my school sold surplus of M1903 rifles to students for $20 each. We weren't supposed to keep them in the dorms, but you could check them out of the "arms room", for hunting, plinking, or whatever, at any time. Imagine what would happen today, if someone was carrying a rifle on a campus unsupervised...

As a college student I qualified with a rifle, and was "familiarized" with the .45 pistol, two kinds of machine gun, rocket launchers, and mortars.

Military service was just part of growing up. Learning how to shoot was considered a "good thing".
Taking ROTC, was just good planning.

Then the hippies took over....Nixon ended the draft....and...
Aside from some hunters and hobbyists, two generations of northeast corridor American males became total pansies.
My "country girl" wife has fired more rounds than the typical NJ "under 60" male.
 
You're an adult. Should you not be able to consume alcohol as an adult? If someone else consumes alcohol and decides to act in a criminal manner after consuming alcohol, should alcohol then be banned for all to use? Or, should we limit the size of a beer to 6oz's, restricting the purchase of only 2, 6 oz beers a day and making all liquor illegal? Really, who NEEDS liquor? That makes sense right? The use of alcohol does kill people, alcohol should be heavily restricted and possibly illegal.

I see more damage done on a daily basis due to the abuse of drugs than the abuse of firearms will EVER have on this country. Most crime committed in this country stem back to the abuses of drugs. The liberal response? Let's make drugs legal.......but, let's make guns illegal, yet a majority of gun crimes that occur can be traced back to some form of drug activity/sale/addiction. Those guns used in these crimes are not legally owned, so these restrictions will not impact the criminal.

Restricting gun regulations will not change anything except allow the criminal element to increase their criminal behavior with no fear of citizens being able to protect themselves.

Human behavior is the problem. People are the problem.
 
With malice toward none and good will to all of my brothers, I will resign myself to whatever the American people decide to do on this issue, through our elected officials.
 
what i find incredibly sad is the fact that you are a Teacher of children, yet you are still redundently brain dead. Says alot. The Firearm in question was............. oh yes a semi automatic. HAve you ever fired a gun do you understand the principes of various firearm actions ? Currently a civilian can only own a semi automatic firearm legally. A fully automatic weapon requires a special permit which costs 400 dollars to apply and also a extensive background search by the ATF,State, and local authorities, I also under stand that the FBI does some investigation on this as well.
Any semi automatic rifle does not shoot continously with out some one doing some tinkering with the firing mechanism and the trigger. The semi auto is available three round burst , single fire and safe on its action. This applies to most rifles.
The gun does not fire unless the trigger is pulled. Thus a person or being is required to thus fire said gun. They do not fire on their own. There is no record of a gun on its own going around and killing humans because the gun had mental issues or a bad day. So I guess we need to ban all people then?
Wtf This tradgedy an several others is the fact that the guns that were used by people were never properly secured. If they had been results would never have happened.
Maybe you feel threatened by guns, but if you were any amount of intelligent an actually took a course at a gun range and actually educated yourself about them properly maybe you would know what you are talking about. Same applies to your LAW studies. Apparently you never showed up or paid attanetion when they taught you about the Bill Of Rights. Reading is fundamental. You already reside in one of the most restrictive states in the U.S. The gun laws are already sufficent. It's about liberal judges enforcing the gun laws already on the books also about literally using capital punishment when you are sentenced an no leniency for serious crimes. Oh wait ..Lemme guess " ohhhhh you cant execute that person , thats wrong. they are human. Used to be a time when a person respected the Law and towed the line, also if you killed a person and it wasn't self defense of your family or property. You were expediently dealt with. not relentless appeals to prolong your life. The gun didn't kill. The person holding it pushing off the safety and pulling the trigger did.
 
Lonewolve, let's agree to disagree on this one.

Whatever the government decides to do, I resign myself to, even though the decisions of our elected officials don't always make me happy.
 
Question for GB, Do you think any less people would be murdered in the US if all semi automatic weapons were banned and somehow confiscated so nobody would have one?
 
Need to vote out Bloomberg,Schumer,and Coumo. And then vote folks in that are gun friendly as well as ethical. Looks like Cuomo just showed his true colors, and back stabbed NYS. I wonder how long before he lets the Frackers loose. Really really sad.
 
Can one of you boobs give me a short breakdown on what got passed. And does it ban weapons or clips already owned, and if it does, what are NY residents supposed to do with them. Thanks. From what I understand it only allows mags of 7 rounds or less, what does someone do with a .22 that may hold 15, or a handgun which holds more than 7. Sounds like typical gun legislation written by morons who know nothing about what the voted on.
 
By doing this the Winter Olympics could never be held in Lake Placid again. The Nordic combined which includes skiing and shooting is now rendered illegal due to the amount of rounds that the target rifle can hold.
 
Trouser Trout said:
Can one of you boobs give me a short breakdown on what got passed. And does it ban weapons or clips already owned, and if it does, what are NY residents supposed to do with them. Thanks. From what I understand it only allows mags of 7 rounds or less, what does someone do with a .22 that may hold 15, or a handgun which holds more than 7. Sounds like typical gun legislation written by morons who know nothing about what the voted on.
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Assault Weapons Re-classified
The legislation is centered around assault weapons, with many new restrictions on the classification of assault weapons, as well as the magazines and ammunition that accompany them.

The new law classifies an assault weapon as having any one feature of a military rifle, such as a flash suppressor, folding stock, thumb hole stock or a pistol grip. The old law defined an assault weapon as having two features of a military rifle.

Current owners of assault weapons are permitted to keep them, but it must be registered, and every five years re registered. They will check ton see if you are legally able to own the rifle at that time. All gun owners must obtain a license to own their firearms and register them and renew their license every five years (there is some vague wording about licensing and registration) but all gun owners must have a license.

The gun can also be passed to an immediate family member. Other exchanges require a background check through a licensed gun dealer.

It's also now illegal for New Yorkers to buy an assault weapon over the Internet.

Ammunition Changes
There are changes to the amount of ammunition that can be carried by a legal gun owner. Magazines holding more than seven rounds are now banned. However, those who currently own a magazine with a capacity greater than seven rounds, but fewer than 10 rounds, will be grandfathered in, but prohibited from loading more than seven rounds.

Those who use magazines that hold greater than 10 rounds have one year to sell the magazine out of state. All others will be in violation of the law.

The legislation also includes additional penalties and restrictions for gun dealers in New York.

Also all sales of fire arms to include private sales must have a background check completed before the sale is completed. There will now be background checks for the sale of ammunition.

Anyone deemed mentally unstable by any professional health care provider will be disqualified from owning a firearm. Oh yeah, to renew your "license" you have to have a mental evaluation. Which means they can just call you crazy and take your guns.

http://open.nysenate.gov/legislation/bill/S2230-2013

REMEMBER! Only three percent of Americans fought in the revolution.
 
You knew the state would attempt to figure out a way to profit from the ban as well, what is the cost of this new Lic? Glad they got it right right with the thumbhole stock part anyway. Those things are dangerous!!!!! And I say attempt to profit is, you know full well they will create a new level of beaurocracy to enforce this which will just be a further drain on the taxpayer that will operate in the red.
 
"The gun can also be passed to an immediate family member. Other exchanges require a background check through a licensed gun dealer. "


So the mom who just got shot in face while sleeping, could legally, if she wasn't dead, pass her assault rifle on to the lunatic who just killed 20 kids....Again, our elected morons are showing how smart they aren't....
 
The Republicans are right to suggest that universal healthcare coverage should include treatment for the mentally ill.

The issue of gun violence is part of the healthcare debate, and should result in an expansion of Obamacare to address these issues, and, I must say that I am impressed with the Republicans' willingness to confront the woeful lack of care for the mentally ill in the USA.

I agree 100% that Obamacare should be expanded as necessary to meet these needs.
 
CTobias said:
If someone had been carrying concealed, or he had been carrying concealed, things would have turned out much different.

A Massachusetts man is savagely beaten outside pizza shop in Greenwich Village - Daily News
SEE IT: A Massachusetts man is savagely beaten outside pizza shop in Greenwich Village - NY Daily News
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Are you serious?

you want people to carry concealed weapons in New York City?

i agree that the issue of gun violence, and mental illness, is a health care issue and appreciate your support for Obamacare.

but I disagree with you here.
 
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