willowhead
~Jedi Dryfly~
Well it's 2:08 a.m. time for a movie. anyone ever see Mystic River yet? I rented it for tonight. Let me know what you thought. Is it a fishing story, LMAO. mark..........
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Mystic River..............
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willowhead
~Jedi Dryfly~
Actually Chris, it is a river in Mass. My wife has an aunt who lives near there. Was a really good flick. Maybe not great, but damn good. I enjoyed it a lot. Hope you summer is going good. Catching any salmon? mark............
fcch
Salmo salar addict
Mark,
Not had alot of time so far. One little excursion to my favorite spot. Half a day of fishing :-(
The water is really high, not extreme though. So far salmon are about average in numbers and the trout are just starting too. Friend connected with a nice 15lb hen 2 weeks ago.
we're going to wait to fish more for sea runs than Salmo Salar as we REALLY want our son to connect this year (2 years now and he still hasn't caught a thing, ... very patient though).
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Not had alot of time so far. One little excursion to my favorite spot. Half a day of fishing :-(
The water is really high, not extreme though. So far salmon are about average in numbers and the trout are just starting too. Friend connected with a nice 15lb hen 2 weeks ago.
we're going to wait to fish more for sea runs than Salmo Salar as we REALLY want our son to connect this year (2 years now and he still hasn't caught a thing, ... very patient though).
2004 journal
fcch
Salmo salar addict
Dave,
Sea runs are the exception for most Quebec Streams and rivers. "Most" rivers running into the Atlantic and Arctic oceans have sea runs as well as those going into the St-Laurence.
Residents are also in all healthy rivers. As we now know, almost all salmonid populations will have a percentage of andromonous critters (like the Browns in Chile). Residents here range from 4 inches to world record holders.
The lakes, streams and rivers around here have pretty good populations of residents. Fishing presure is THE number 1 population limiter here as C&R is NOT in the Quebec culture. Daily limits in my principal zone is still 20 per day. Stocking is pretty rare except in urban fisheries and some "special" lakes where outfitters have exclusive rights to public lakes.
Coming from BC I remember that "real" ff sort of frowned on Brookies as fodder for "newbies". It has a rep for attacking anything (compared to Bows and Browns). We like going after Searunners as it is tough. There is no hatch to match (as they don't actively feed in fresh water, ... usually). When they do it's the hens and we don't want to catch hens.
We also like to target the smaller fish. Being a C&B fisherie (catch & BBQ), one does have to remember that the skillet IS only 12" across.
Major sport fisheries here in central Quebec are Brook trout, walleye and Northern Pike. Flyfishing is still pretty rare. I think it comes from the old cultural thing where ff was in the 'ole days for salmon and salmon was reserved for private (very private) clubs.
Note: My site isn't too "dialup friendly" as the photos aren't optimized ... Sorry
You can check out some pics
Sea runs are the exception for most Quebec Streams and rivers. "Most" rivers running into the Atlantic and Arctic oceans have sea runs as well as those going into the St-Laurence.
Residents are also in all healthy rivers. As we now know, almost all salmonid populations will have a percentage of andromonous critters (like the Browns in Chile). Residents here range from 4 inches to world record holders.
The lakes, streams and rivers around here have pretty good populations of residents. Fishing presure is THE number 1 population limiter here as C&R is NOT in the Quebec culture. Daily limits in my principal zone is still 20 per day. Stocking is pretty rare except in urban fisheries and some "special" lakes where outfitters have exclusive rights to public lakes.
Coming from BC I remember that "real" ff sort of frowned on Brookies as fodder for "newbies". It has a rep for attacking anything (compared to Bows and Browns). We like going after Searunners as it is tough. There is no hatch to match (as they don't actively feed in fresh water, ... usually). When they do it's the hens and we don't want to catch hens.
We also like to target the smaller fish. Being a C&B fisherie (catch & BBQ), one does have to remember that the skillet IS only 12" across.
Major sport fisheries here in central Quebec are Brook trout, walleye and Northern Pike. Flyfishing is still pretty rare. I think it comes from the old cultural thing where ff was in the 'ole days for salmon and salmon was reserved for private (very private) clubs.
Note: My site isn't too "dialup friendly" as the photos aren't optimized ... SorryYou can check out some pics
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willowhead
~Jedi Dryfly~
Thankx Chris........nice pics. mark.................
DaveR
Combat Fly Fisherman
Hey Chris,
Sorry I haven't responded sooner to your explanation above about resident trout - the baby's got me a bit sleep deprived.
I thought Canada was a nation of environmentally friendly people. The limit is 20 fish per day? I'm just amazed that a non-stocked stream can support that type of pressure. How do you think things would be if they were to limit the catch to 3-5 a day? Would we have more fish or bigger ones or neither. Given the pictures you post, I'd really like to take a trip up that way sometime - the scenery alone is amazing. But I'd also want to catch some fish...
Regards,
Dave
Sorry I haven't responded sooner to your explanation above about resident trout - the baby's got me a bit sleep deprived.
I thought Canada was a nation of environmentally friendly people. The limit is 20 fish per day? I'm just amazed that a non-stocked stream can support that type of pressure. How do you think things would be if they were to limit the catch to 3-5 a day? Would we have more fish or bigger ones or neither. Given the pictures you post, I'd really like to take a trip up that way sometime - the scenery alone is amazing. But I'd also want to catch some fish...
Regards,
Dave
fcch
Salmo salar addict
Dave,
The regs are by Zone. 'ya have to remember that the 18 zone here is not very densely populated (say about 120,000 habitants for over 30,000 sq miles of public forest land). Even in early July, I can drive 1 hour and fish on a public access lake where NOBODY has yet to fish this year.
To give you an idea of the scope of the zone, I am the supervising forester for some public land here. In the 100 million acre area, there are over 82,642 miles of rivers and steams, and about 96,186 lakes averaging 45 acres in size. The population base is about 155,000 people, of which a small minority actually fish.
20 sounds like a lot, ... Yes 20 is too much, but 99% of the fishing is in lakes. Canada is pretty vast and the "mind set" of the enviro-friendly West has not yet established itself here in East-Central Canada (Quebec/Ontario).
From experience doing some integrated resource mgmt plans for the local outfitters, when we reduce limits (daily and annual, there will be some BIGGER fish and the entire population curve shifts UP.
Photo: White Falls - I think a friend was the only person that fished the bassin last year.
The regs are by Zone. 'ya have to remember that the 18 zone here is not very densely populated (say about 120,000 habitants for over 30,000 sq miles of public forest land). Even in early July, I can drive 1 hour and fish on a public access lake where NOBODY has yet to fish this year.
To give you an idea of the scope of the zone, I am the supervising forester for some public land here. In the 100 million acre area, there are over 82,642 miles of rivers and steams, and about 96,186 lakes averaging 45 acres in size. The population base is about 155,000 people, of which a small minority actually fish.
20 sounds like a lot, ... Yes 20 is too much, but 99% of the fishing is in lakes. Canada is pretty vast and the "mind set" of the enviro-friendly West has not yet established itself here in East-Central Canada (Quebec/Ontario).
From experience doing some integrated resource mgmt plans for the local outfitters, when we reduce limits (daily and annual, there will be some BIGGER fish and the entire population curve shifts UP.
Photo: White Falls - I think a friend was the only person that fished the bassin last year.
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fcch
Salmo salar addict
Dave,
Residents in lakes and streams early spring (may 28 - june 15) Small Lakes and nursery streams. Also good season for world record Pike and Walleye.
Residents are also into the rivers starting about late July up here (we're about 100klicks south of the 50th parallel).
You should consider Sea runs. Most of the Salmo Salar rivers have populations of andromonous trout. Best of both worlds. An excellent % of clients connect trout and a small % even get into salmon (especially as Grisles are about at that time).
Best bet to get into "garanteed" trout action. Outfitters or provincial game reserves. The reserves are run by the Govt, costs about 10 $us per day for rod fees (plus non-res freshwater permit 8.91$cnd C&R; 19.78$cdn 3 dya or 30.43$cdn 7day).
There is a good reserve about 20 minutes from Quebec City. An EXCELLENT one up here (but that's another 4 hours from Quebec City.) 'cause it has brookies, pike and walleye (no Bows or Browns though).
Residents are more in the "forestry" regions like here in central Quebec. In the attached image, you'll see an example of the topgraphy and characteristics of the water sheds here (note scale: Lac Brillard is about 500 meters in width).
Residents in lakes and streams early spring (may 28 - june 15) Small Lakes and nursery streams. Also good season for world record Pike and Walleye.
Residents are also into the rivers starting about late July up here (we're about 100klicks south of the 50th parallel).
You should consider Sea runs. Most of the Salmo Salar rivers have populations of andromonous trout. Best of both worlds. An excellent % of clients connect trout and a small % even get into salmon (especially as Grisles are about at that time).
Best bet to get into "garanteed" trout action. Outfitters or provincial game reserves. The reserves are run by the Govt, costs about 10 $us per day for rod fees (plus non-res freshwater permit 8.91$cnd C&R; 19.78$cdn 3 dya or 30.43$cdn 7day).
There is a good reserve about 20 minutes from Quebec City. An EXCELLENT one up here (but that's another 4 hours from Quebec City.) 'cause it has brookies, pike and walleye (no Bows or Browns though).
Residents are more in the "forestry" regions like here in central Quebec. In the attached image, you'll see an example of the topgraphy and characteristics of the water sheds here (note scale: Lac Brillard is about 500 meters in width).
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DaveR
Combat Fly Fisherman
Chris,
I definitely want to try this out. Sea Runs would be cool too, it's just that you have to have the right timing and I don't always have a great choice of when I can travel. Lakes aren't really my thing unless I'm fishing for largemouth bass. I'm thinking strictly fly rods and streams. I mostly nymph, but will take dry fly action any time I can.
Are there any places in the area with browns or bows or is it all brookies?
Regards,
Dave
I definitely want to try this out. Sea Runs would be cool too, it's just that you have to have the right timing and I don't always have a great choice of when I can travel. Lakes aren't really my thing unless I'm fishing for largemouth bass. I'm thinking strictly fly rods and streams. I mostly nymph, but will take dry fly action any time I can.
Are there any places in the area with browns or bows or is it all brookies?
Regards,
Dave
willowhead
~Jedi Dryfly~
Chris, a few small wild brookies, and a few small browns. mark
fcch
Salmo salar addict
Mark,
Brown are pretty less common up here, but I believe there are some fisheries closer to the US border... I'll have to check. Wild brookies, we got 'em.
Dave, ... stocking of Bows is prettr rare too. I think there are some in the Charlevoix region, and in some selected lakes and systems in the south.
Brown are pretty less common up here, but I believe there are some fisheries closer to the US border... I'll have to check. Wild brookies, we got 'em.
Dave, ... stocking of Bows is prettr rare too. I think there are some in the Charlevoix region, and in some selected lakes and systems in the south.
