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Minumum wage raise in NJ

dcabarle

dcabarle

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So do we vote to raise the minimum wage or not?

It's really a tough question to answer but I say if people are making minimum wage then they're really struggling. If a business has to raise prices just a little to end someone's welfare, it might not be a bad idea.

The problem I see is that a small business with 3-5 people working 20-30 hrs per week now has to dish out quite a bit more money for those employees. This in turn may force them to hire less people or fire more people and make it tough on the business owner who's just trying to squeeze by.

Raising the minimum wage also gives the state more tax revenue.

It has its pluses and minuses. So why or why not and lets have your opinions.
 
We can argue for years about the effect of a minimum wage on entry level jobs, and poverty.... You can cry about "the poor", or preach about killing/exporting jobs.......

That's not what the public question is about ....(read it again).
It's about putting the current rate, with COLAs, in the State Constitution.

You don't need a constitutional amendment to raise the minimum wage.
Thats done with legislation.

IMHO: Putting it in the Constitution, will take away the flexibility to deal with future unforeseen economic circumstances, when a freeze or a cut may be necessary.
 
Eliminate the minimum wage all together, along with welfare, etc., then institute a negative income tax.

The earned income tax credit is one of the most successful anti-poverty programs, yet no one talks about it.

Minimum wage is a fallacy that politicians use to make people feel good.
 
Pete said:
We can argue for years about the effect of a minimum wage on entry level jobs, and poverty.... You can cry about "the poor", or preach about killing/exporting jobs.......

That's not what the public question is about ....(read it again).
It's about putting the current rate, with COLAs, in the State Constitution.

You don't need a constitutional amendment to raise the minimum wage.
Thats done with legislation.

IMHO: Putting it in the Constitution, will take away the flexibility to deal with future unforeseen economic circumstances, when a freeze or a cut may be necessary.
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Very well said. We all want to see people get paid a reasonable hourly wage, but the minimum wage issue belongs with the State Assembly, Senate, and Governor.
 
Pete said:
We can argue for years about the effect of a minimum wage on entry level jobs, and poverty.... You can cry about "the poor", or preach about killing/exporting jobs.......

That's not what the public question is about ....(read it again).
It's about putting the current rate, with COLAs, in the State Constitution.

You don't need a constitutional amendment to raise the minimum wage.
Thats done with legislation.

IMHO: Putting it in the Constitution, will take away the flexibility to deal with future unforeseen economic circumstances, when a freeze or a cut may be necessary.
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In order to put the increase of the MW the on the ballet in NJ, it has to be a constitutional amendment. It is how the state constitution is written. There are only 2 insistences for voters in NJ to be allowed to vote on, Budgetary (If the state needs to borrow money) and constitutional amendments. There is no clause that allows voters to just vote for a one time increase in the minimum wage. That is why they wrote the increase to occur every year. I have no problem with an increase but every year is absurd. It is just another way for liberals to try to bypass the governor and the legislative process. If it passes the only thing that will increase is unemployment.
 
BrownChickenBrownTrout said:
The earned income tax credit is one of the most successful anti-poverty programs, yet no one talks about it.
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"EITC fraud rates in 2012 ranged from 20% to 25% of program costs, which run about $55.4 billion a year, according to data from the IRS Inspector General’s Office."

Guess that's what happens though when you have an "honor" system.
But maybe fraud is the only way 20-25% of people can be successful.
Seems to be true for politicians. ;)
 
Does this mean Lightenup will be expecting a raise at the drivetru?

No wonder he's buying all that fancy silk fly line shit..
 
The reason for doing it by amendment is because the legislature wasn't able to get it by the governor on a veto proof basis, plus this let them all say they were following the people's wishes. Personal opinion, the constitution should be for broad issues, with the courts rulling on how the small stuff complies. If you want to micro manage, that is where you should be passing a law, if the votes are there to do so. Here, they figured a neat way to avoid taking a stand. Next up is likely an amendment about auto emissions testing, or some similar such item.

Spent yesterday consulting with a business owner who is not hiring workers who would be subject to minimum wage - in his case the issue if the extra cost added to his medical insurance plan by the Affordable (?) Care Act - and how he is either going to have to cut back hours, cut back numbers of employees, or something similar to stay afloat in a tough economy.

If I take the same issue and layer it on top of a small business owner who does hire minimum wage, got to figure the same issue. Yes, it is nearly impossible to take care of your family on minimum wage. It is also hard to do so when you have been laid off. Ultimately it comes down to the same issue - if you want something the money has to come from somewhere. If business owners were all running hedge funds and making $$$, then a different issue. Problem is that a lot of busienses are running tight margins now, and if they are going to stay afloat they need to hold costs down.

Unless they are in a non-competitive industry, if they raise prices to cover the added costs per employee, they will go out of business. So if you can't raise prices, then you have to cut costs in some other way - ever tried to find someone to help you in a big box store? Less employees with low prices just means less service for customers.

So look at it this way - Home Depot, A&P, etc. are already using self-checkout more and more. Now we are going to increase their costs for benefits for employees, as well as give them a mandated higher wage. Do you think they will maybe add in more self-checkout systems?
 
What bothers me is that some people think minimum wage should be a goal for full time employment in the first place. Minimum wage jobs are for those young teens getting their first work experience, service industry people that also receive tips on top of wages, and part-time employees looking to boost their take-home pay over their full time jobs. Since when do Americans aspire to work full-time in a minimum wage job and expect to have all of their individual needs met financially?

We are fat and we are lazy. And it's getting worse and not better. It was a great 230+ year run, but we are no longer that great nation the world looked up to (or feared if they were bad guys).
 
This is another scare crow tactic the government uses to deflect the real issue away. They have policies that stifle job creation. They reward cronies and the few, while small business is forced to jump through hoops like over regulation.

You know how many Nordic countries have minimum wage? None. Denmark has an average entry wage of $19 an hour. I'm no socialist, but if your going to go down that path at least follow a good example.
 
Rusty Spinner said:
Minimum wage jobs are for those young teens getting their first work experience, service industry people that also receive tips on top of wages, and part-time employees looking to boost their take-home pay over their full time jobs.
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Those service people in restaurants, you know the waiters and waitresses and bartenders(well some bartenders), bus boys(they get $5.00) and the such, make, wait for it.....$2.13 an hour...this is why it is important to tip them when they do a good job....:)
 
lightenup said:
Those service people in restaurants, you know the waiters and waitresses and bartenders(well some bartenders), bus boys(they get $5.00) and the such, make, wait for it.....$2.13 an hour...this is why it is important to tip them when they do a good job....:)
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I know, I was both a waiter and a bartender back in college. :)
 
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