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Frog Hair issues

TroutChaser

My spin rod is collecting dust
I recently picked up some Frog Hair Gamma tippet for trout fishing. I got the 5x to start with. I've been using it for nymphing for about a week now and have noticed that I can't seem to keep any fish on the hook anymore. I have had a ton of turned fish with quick releases. I have also had a few fish breakoffs.

I had been using just standard mono tippet (Umpqua) and didn't seem to have any problems with that.

Anybody have similar experience with this?
 
Hey Ed,

I have used and disliked frog hair for nymphing as well. I also have no explanation. But at 5x, it SEEMED to have lower break strength and stretch than Rio mono.

Some guys swear by it.

It does come on a cool looking spool!


~James
 
I recently picked up some Frog Hair Gamma tippet for trout fishing. I got the 5x to start with. I've been using it for nymphing for about a week now and have noticed that I can't seem to keep any fish on the hook anymore. I have had a ton of turned fish with quick releases. I have also had a few fish breakoffs.

I had been using just standard mono tippet (Umpqua) and didn't seem to have any problems with that.

Anybody have similar experience with this?

TC,

You switched from Umpqua to Frog Hair! That's sacrilegious!!!

The fish gods are punishing you.

Cdog
 
I guess the old adage, "don't fix it if'n it ain't broke" might apply here....

I just saw that the strength listing for 5x was about 5 lbs and thought it might be worth a try. I am thinking the problem is the stretch factor.

I hooked a really nice rainbow on Sunday that thought he was a steelhead. He jumped high out of the water on the hookset and then blasted upstream...all I could do was hang on. He wound up bulldogging me down to a rock and cut me off.

I went back on Wednesday, found him again. This time he blasted straight upstream again then jumped about 20' upstream of me. A second later my line went slack and came back with nothing. I don't think I did anything wrong that time....I'm going to blame the Frog Hair for that one.:guns:

Thanks for the input guys.

Been out much JC?
 
One of the oldest arguments around is the stretch/strength balance of a plastic line. Nylon/fluorocarbon lines are extruded and then stretched to orient the plastic molecules to increase the strength. The more you orient the fibers the more strength they will have, but the less elongation to break they will have. The optimum solution is a balance between the two, which will vary for use and fishing style. Also, the rated strength is from a slow laboratory test with special grips - the strength can be less for sudden spikes in tension or for knots. Oriented plastics may also have less knot strength. Orienting the fibers lines them up and strengthens the line along its axis. However, you still need a little strength to the sides to tolerate the side wall pressure generated by a knot. Once again, there are different way to balance this and knot strength rather than simple breaking strength is the real measure for fishing.

One more comment, you typically need some give in the system to prevent tension spikes from happening - either the leader/line has to stretch or the rod has to flex when a fish makes a sudden run. Making the line and rod both stiff can lead to the tension rising quickly and break offs. Once again it is a trade-off. Need to minimize give for better feel and maximize give to prevent break offs. Since everybody fishes differently this allows a lot of lines and tippet materials on the market!
 
Well, I went back to the laboratory the other day. I decided to go back to my regular mono tippet. Hit the water for about an hour and went 3/3 with no misses or breaks.

I think the Frog Hair spool is coming out of the vest.

Thanks again, guys.
 
Well, I went back to the laboratory the other day. I decided to go back to my regular mono tippet. Hit the water for about an hour and went 3/3 with no misses or breaks.

I think the Frog Hair spool is coming out of the vest.

Thanks again, guys.


Another satisfied Umpqua customer. lol

I think we've all been there at one time or another TC. Trying to fix what doesn't need fixin'.

I've about come to the conclusion that this Sharkskin line I just picked up isn't any better than what I was using before. Sinks in fast water like a rock.

Cdog
 
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