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Fishing the Slots?

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Fishing the Slots in the Catskills

Two stories written today.

Good fishing to you...
TR
Narrowsburg, NY
www.delawareriverfishing.com
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http://www.recordonline.com/archive/2004/06/30/opening.htm

June 30, 2004

Gambling makes debut in Monticello
By Steve Israel and Victor Whitman
Times Herald-Record

Monticello - Forty years of Sullivan County's casino dreams were about to come true this morning when sixty five people lined up to place the first bet at the new Monticello raceway casino. Theresa Gibbs of Newburgh was first in line. She arrived at the track at 2 a.m. “I thought I was going to be stuck in traffic, so I got here early,” she said. “I want to win.”
As more cars came streaming in, workers scrambled to put finishing touches on the racino. At 9:59 after a countdown from five, the casino opened and the 610 people waiting in line moved into the racino.
About 20 protesters gathered across the street from the Monticello Raceway this morning to protest the opening of the racino.
The group - mostly members of the newly founded Casino Free Coalition - are waiving at drivers, and carrying signs that say, “Gambling Destroys Families.” Meanwhile, cars are streaming into the new $30 million racino.
“I don’t want my kids to grow up in a casino town,” said Bette Minervini of Grahamsville, who was wearing two fuzzy dice on her cap and a poster that said, “Addiction.”
“We want to educate people that gambling isn’t a bed of roses.”

http://www.recordonline.com/archive/2004/06/30/siracehi.htm

Mighty M arrives with VLTs blazing

By Steve Israel
Times Herald-Record
sisrael@th-record.com

Monticello – Once upon a time, a rainbow-colored fountain glistened at Monticello Raceway. Women in mink stoles and men in top hats dined on filet mignon and lobster tail. Thousands lined up to bet on champion horses – after many had their shoes buffed and shined by the track's ace shoeshine man.
"It was the place to be," says the raceway's racing controller, Linda Loughrey, who worked the teletype machine at the track in 1969, 11 years after it opened.
But then, in the late '70s, the fountain began to run dry. More empty yellow, orange and green seats could be seen in the grandstand when grand resorts like the Concord that brought thousands of guests to its box seats began to fade. Potholes weren't repaired. Grass grew in cracks. By the '90s, you could count the crowds that had once numbered more than 10,000 per night by hand. The shoeshine stand closed.
"It was," says a former director of the track and Pines Hotel owner, Jerry Ehrlich, "sad.''
Today, the raceway is set to glisten again. Mighty M Gaming at Monticello Raceway opens this morning, with 1,800 slot-like video lottery terminals, a buffet restaurant serving prime rib, freshly paved parking lots and that rainbow fountain.
"History will repeat itself," says Sid Blum, who began working at the track when it opened in 1958 and is still there, selling programs.
Blum means the glory days of the past. But as any gambler knows, there is no sure thing.
Will the racino glisten like that fountain? Or could it possibly wither, like the 50,000 tulips that once bloomed at the Concord?
To try to see the future, you first have to know the past.
The story begins nearly a half-century ago, when a group of the Catskills' most powerful men, owners of resorts like the Concord, Kutsher's and Nevele, looked for a way to give their resorts even more attractions than rainbow-colored ski slopes or kidney shaped pools. They built a harness track on farmland right off Route 17.
It wasn't long before resorts were bringing busloads of guests to box seats with nameplates like Grossinger's, the Fallsview, the Silverado and the Concord. When they dined in the Club Escoffier, their fellow diners included Catskill stars like Milton Berle and Henny Youngman. Crowds of thousands roared as they rooted for young harness drivers like John Manzi, now the track's publicity director, whose office walls are lined with celebrities who came to the raceway, like Joe DiMaggio and Jake LaMotta. Back then, Robert Berman was Manzi's assistant. Today, he heads the company that owns the track.
"It was like Miami Beach then, so exciting, so colorful," says Jerry Ehrlich, whose son Cliff is now the track's senior vice president.
Then OTB parlors opened. Bettors could walk around the corner to play the horses instead of driving to the Catskills. Atlantic City casinos opened, offering free bus trips from places like Monticello. Race-fixing scandals tainted the harness industry.
As the crowds at the track dwindled, the potholes grew. Resorts like the Pines closed. Dust collected on the bar in that once-grand Escoffier. The fountain dried up.
The future looked bright when the track won federal approval for an Indian casino in 2000, but that hope was soon dashed. The tribe switched management teams and locations and headed to Kutsher's. The raceway hooked up with another tribe, the Cayugas, to try to open one of the three Indian casinos allowed in the Catskills.
Now Ehrlich and Berman are betting $30 million of investors' money on the racino – nearly twice as much as each of the state's other three racinos have spent.
If the racino at Saratoga is any indication, it should be a winner. Saratoga Gaming and Raceway upped its attendance from 450 on the Friday night before VLTs arrived to 4,000 the one after. It had to order as much food in one week as it did all last year. Monticello has hundreds more VLTs than Saratoga, which doesn't have a lounge or buffet like Monticello.
Plus, Monticello will be the closest spot with slot-like VLTs to New York City.
"It's kind of like the field of dreams," says Saratoga's general manager, Skip Carlson. "If you built it right, they'll come."
Jerry Ehrlich isn't sure the track will hit the jackpot. He knows the state Lottery, which runs the machines, automatically keeps 71 percent of the take, which means the profit margin is slim. That also means no "free" rolls of quarters, or big-name entertainment.
"The racino is a step in the right direction," he says, "but a casino is the answer."
Berman, who visited the track as a kid to get Willie Mays' autograph, agrees.
"The tax structure does make it difficult," he says. "This takes a good solid step in the right direction, but a casino pushes it over the top."
But competition from those Indian casinos could hurt the racino, says Roger Gros of Global Gaming Business magazine.
Still, you can bet the house on one thing: slots players will flock to the track today. They should keep flocking for the immediate future even though the odds guarantee they'll lose eight cents on every dollar.
Fact is, slots players might be the real reason the racino succeeds where racing failed. After all, up to 45 million Americans played slots in 2002, losing some 35 billion dollars.
"It can't miss," said Connie Sedlacek a few months ago as she played a 98 Bottles of Beer machine at Saratoga.
Sedlacek, who has bet – and lost – up to $3,000 per casino visit, plans to come to Monticello, even though she knows you can't beat the odds.
"You don't really win anything ever," she said. "But it sure is fun."
 
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what a drag...........

Sad, i think was the word used above. "Sadder than Mckinley's funeral.........even the horses cried." Art Blakey. Dig? mark.........:(
 
I'll follow up with the Quote of the Day:
But her granddaughter, Rosalie Minuta, had lost the few hundred dollars she planned to use for a wedding dress
Isn't the old saying, "A fool and his/her money will soon be departed."

On a higher note, the diner mentioned in the article is picking up some customers and the 'Gentlemans Club' doesn't look so sleezy anymore due to the nice facelift (that's kind of a joke by the way). Next step, create some nice new hotels in the area, and don't forget the Applebees, Bed Bath and Beyond, Macy's... These casino goers need a place to go in their downtime.

I'm all for casino's, but there's a right place and a wrong place for them IMHO.
 
The 24/7 operation of the casinos is going to create a 24/7 traffic problem on Rt. 17 which will most likely include increased DWI arrests, drug busts.....when the hotels are up and running here come the prostitutes, robberies, burglaries and car theft. The entire face of Sullivan County is going to change. I'm not sure there's much of a soul left. Do you think the quiet Neversink river is going to be effected? This is going to be a disaster for all sportsmen and women who have grown up loving the Catskills. When the land values go through the roof and the land is sold we are going to see Posted signs everywhere. I know I sound pessimistic but I don't see one good thing coming out of all this.
 
As an opponent of the Atlantic City casinos in the day, I don't see much benefit. NJ doesn't even get much tax revenue since those casino operators are real pros in juggling the books. Also, look at the Truckee River through Reno. They contain a strip of beautiful trout stream around the casinos within walls that a difficult to find breaks in just so that you're not tempted to wet a line and stick to the slots. I love fishing the Neversink Gorge ad can only see increased silt and warmer water out of this.
 
Cing, and Jeff, your both right. IT SUCKX!!!!!!!!! Big Time. And cing, your not pessimistic, just a realist. Dennis, your first joke was better. "Departed." If i'd a seen the pic before you Dennis, i'd a said, "Aint that a *****! Like W.C. said........not only is there a sucker born every minute, never give 'em an even break. Or something along those "lines." mark............
 
Imagine the influx of extra fisherman on the Wilo,and BK as the Casino customers say hey, might as well bring my fly or spinning rod and do some fishing while in the area. Just what we need,five thousand gamblers in Monticello and 5 percent fisherman, thats 250 fisherman,divide that by 20 pools and you have 13 extra bodies fishing those pools. Then we can rename them to be more current with the times, names like lucky pool, payoff pool, in over your head pool and too hot pool.In any event, there will be fishing pressure.
 
arnold zipf said:
Then we can rename them to be more current with the times, names like lucky pool, payoff pool, in over your head pool and too hot pool.In any event, there will be fishing pressure.
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Well, on the main stem we already have:

Big Eddy
Long Eddy
Dark Eddy
Knight's Eddy
Pond Eddy

Now we'll have to add:

Fast Eddy

to that list of pools for all the high rollers coming up to Monticello.

Tight lines to you...
TR
Narrowsburg
www.delawareriverfishing.com
 
Oh, but won't more fishermen be great for all those local economies, boys? ;)... I thought those local economies were what some of you guys were fighting for... :)
John
 
If the original story (2nd one) where Jerry Ehrlich is quoted as saying, "the state Lottery, which runs the machines, automatically keeps 71 percent of the take."
That is an enormous percentage. Imagine the house advantage that must exist in order to make a profit for the owners. You'll probably hear of the occassional winner, even a big one, but almost all the time anyone who plays these slots will loose. That loss will be built into the computer chips controlling the slot machines.
 
There is a balance, if the fishing quality goes down the drain because the streams loose their appeal then that hurts the economy.
 
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Hey Serotonin,

Watch out, or you might be giving these guys the impression, that you don't like me! :)

Did you happen to make it up this way? I was just through the area you and your buddy were going to hit, and it is very DRY. Low and warm flows on all those little gems in through that area.

John
 
Serotonin, when you commin' up again? I'll take you to a good spot for brookies. Water temps are well within moral limits also. LOL. mark.......
 
Mark!

I'll be around starting Thursday...

...but was planning more North.

Whatcha got upon your mind?
 
Brookies................and more brookies. LOL. I have this five ft. 3 wt. bamboo "Banty" that a friend has let me borrow, (he's making me one) til mine is ready. he he he he he Tomorrow, (today, lol) i'm having my fishing truck all checked out top to bottom, (completely) for my trip to Montana, but Thurs. sounds perfect! mark...........
 
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