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Corndog
Ephemerella Subvaria
I'm also easy to spot on a stream cause I'm the one catching all the fish with my nymphing technique. I know...that was bad.
Thanks biot you're a real gent. You will be easy to spot, not many Packers fans out here. I used to wear my Cowboys hat, having lived 11 years in TX, but learned that is a big mistake out here. Especially at Giants stadium.
When I saw the "Just Fish" hat a Stokes Sport Shop I had to get it cause that's what I always holler at my kids when fishing. I'd wear a NEFF hat if DC would stop fishing long enough to have some made up.
Cdog
Thanks biot you're a real gent. You will be easy to spot, not many Packers fans out here. I used to wear my Cowboys hat, having lived 11 years in TX, but learned that is a big mistake out here. Especially at Giants stadium.
When I saw the "Just Fish" hat a Stokes Sport Shop I had to get it cause that's what I always holler at my kids when fishing. I'd wear a NEFF hat if DC would stop fishing long enough to have some made up.
Cdog
onemorecast
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My best friend's daughters are Cheeseheads. For almost an entire year, their middle daughter wore her Packers knit cap every single day (even in the summer).
One of the things I do for a living is model ROVs and umbilical cables in current. I keep thinking I should use the tools to model the behavior of nymphs and indicators. But what fun would that be. These arguments keep it interesting and I don't want to mix work and fishing too much!
My educated guess. Dead drift isn't always the ticket. Eggs and worms dead drift with the current but dislodged nymphs swim downstream until they find a new place to hide. Therefore, steelies wouldn't care to see a swimming egg and a live action on a soft hackle hares ear nymph may be what triggers a brown to strike. Small bugs swim slower than big bugs. Swimmers swim better than crawlers and caddis larvae. Micro caddis and midge larvae move so slow dead drift (or as close as we achieve it) probably is the ticket. For BWO and isonychia nymphs which scoot all over the place maybe a little speed relative to the current wouldn't hurt. Carp will never hit a nymph swimming towards them, but pounce on ones that look like they are getting away. Different approaches work on different days.
One comment on dead drift - we can't always achieve it. One illustration used by a good cane pole crappie fisherman I knew was to hold a 1/64 oz marabou jig steady in a glass of water using your pole and watch it. Try as you might the marabou jig would always move a little - which would be just the trigger for inactive fish. He would also have people watch how fast nymphs and minnows swim and right away have people watch their jigging action. People can always move a line and a pole faster than little critters can swim. The small amount of speed we are off in "dead" drifting may just be the speed the little bugs are moving.
My educated guess. Dead drift isn't always the ticket. Eggs and worms dead drift with the current but dislodged nymphs swim downstream until they find a new place to hide. Therefore, steelies wouldn't care to see a swimming egg and a live action on a soft hackle hares ear nymph may be what triggers a brown to strike. Small bugs swim slower than big bugs. Swimmers swim better than crawlers and caddis larvae. Micro caddis and midge larvae move so slow dead drift (or as close as we achieve it) probably is the ticket. For BWO and isonychia nymphs which scoot all over the place maybe a little speed relative to the current wouldn't hurt. Carp will never hit a nymph swimming towards them, but pounce on ones that look like they are getting away. Different approaches work on different days.
One comment on dead drift - we can't always achieve it. One illustration used by a good cane pole crappie fisherman I knew was to hold a 1/64 oz marabou jig steady in a glass of water using your pole and watch it. Try as you might the marabou jig would always move a little - which would be just the trigger for inactive fish. He would also have people watch how fast nymphs and minnows swim and right away have people watch their jigging action. People can always move a line and a pole faster than little critters can swim. The small amount of speed we are off in "dead" drifting may just be the speed the little bugs are moving.
Corndog
Ephemerella Subvaria
Good points, but...
I've watched all of Ozzy's videos over and over and all the trout in his videos are grabbing bugs as they drift in the current to them. I don't much care for slow moving to stagnant pools. I look for moving water at the heads of pools and runs, or fish the fast stretches of streams. Hince dead drift being the ticket. Do you think the trout in his videos are eating dead bugs?
Cdog
Hey,
Most everyone on this board has more experience than I, but for what it is worth, I just got back from Utah(see separate trip report). I used the bend of the hook method and also left a tag on the surgeons knot connecting the last section of tippit. I could'nt see any difference in the two except if the tag was left sufficiently long I could change the top flie without retying everything. Which fly caught fish seemed very dependent on the fly. I found a wovern weevil above a zebra midge caught more fish than the midge. Toodles,Frogge.
Most everyone on this board has more experience than I, but for what it is worth, I just got back from Utah(see separate trip report). I used the bend of the hook method and also left a tag on the surgeons knot connecting the last section of tippit. I could'nt see any difference in the two except if the tag was left sufficiently long I could change the top flie without retying everything. Which fly caught fish seemed very dependent on the fly. I found a wovern weevil above a zebra midge caught more fish than the midge. Toodles,Frogge.
kindanewbie77
the sad old dog with no friends
so based on what has been said here, if I would have increased the distance between the two flies that I was fishing at KLG, and added or subtracted weight, and possibly included the strike indicator, I might have caught more than one "dumb luck"fish? If that is the case, I wish I would have known about this site before thursday
eddavidson9
how's that for a slice of fried gold
haha, might being the operative word.
never chalk it up to dumb luck...unless you're the one not catching fish. if you catch something, you're doing something right; if you aren't, you're just unlucky that day.
onemorecast
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haha, might being the operative word.
never chalk it up to dumb luck...unless you're the one not catching fish. if you catch something, you're doing something right; if you aren't, you're just unlucky that day.
With me it's usually dumb luck that I happened to set everything up right. I've Forrest Gumped my way through a few successful outings that way.:dizzy:
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