Beaverkill Report 4/12/09

[ratmatt]

Spent the weekend working the Beaverkill, water temp was about 44 deg. air temp 40-45 deg. flow 800-850 water was clear and fishable..There were some small hatches of caddis and black stones...Fish did rise and take some surface flys but,that was few and far between...the guys using drys went home fishless and fustrated....streamers and wooly buggers did not work either..only when I tyed on a caddis pupa I tyed myself did I start hitting fish, just about every cast mostly Rainbows in the 10-12" class, a few larger browns hit later in the day (dusk) browns were about 15-20"...All fish hit on the end of a (DRAGLESS !!) dead drift..After talking to some other guys at the motel and at the bar, it occured to me I was the only one catching anything....No one was using a pupa pattern mine has a cream ice dubbed body and a ice peacock dubbed thorax with a brown glass bead head..I fished them on a tandem rig with two shots above them to get them down fast, they had to rise off the bottom to get a strike.....Carins pool was the most productive fishing died off as I moved downstream....Junction pool was dead..

 

[KingCrab004]

Nice job. Im thinking of trying the Beaverkill for the first time this year.It must feel great to catch fish on a fly you tied. Any advice on where I should fish the Beverkill my fisrt time there?

 

[gadfly]

Its very easy to find spots on the Beaverkill, most of the good pools are named and have signs up on the road. You won't have a problem find a spot. If I were you I'd start off in Roscoe and head downstream. Stop at one of the flyshops in town and they'll yet you know whats been hatching. Have fun.

 

[Burtbords149]

Great Report Rat....but I have to correct you it's Beaverkill*** not Beverkill...I'd hate to see one of the most famous rivers in the country misspelled. Once again great report, I'll try and and tie some of those flies, any size work better than any other?

 

[Broadheadscreek]

Nice report !! What kinda shots did you do to get the fly down?

 

[ratmatt]

:give-the-finger:OK sorry about the spelling, the bitch of that one is I know how to spell BeAverkill...oh well....as to what hook size I used a Dai-Riki #125 size 12...that was the one that worked..I used 2 size BB shots, that water is moving fast so I need the weight to get her down..if your going to tye up some of those make about 6 your going to lose a few if your doing it right. Had a couple on a green sparkel pupa....hears a pic....my own recipe..that set up is a mother to cast, when the wind kicked up I was having problems.......

 

[Delaware Drifter]

Although I occasionally read internet boards, I rarely post anything and perhaps I might even be making a mistake with this response.

I find however that I must respond to "Rat "mats fishing report. First off I can actually substantiate old rats fishing report and his weekend full of taking fish. His location fly choices and techniques are spot on for the conditions and I even enjoyed watching him land a few nice fish.

I must write on however and illustrate why anonymous posts should never be given much credence.

First off both of the Rats patterns are not his own. In fact both are from Ken Tutalos DVD which had a first run in 2003.

Heres my report on Mat;

On Friday night Mat came to the Baxter House to talk about fishing and his lack of success. I suggested the caddis patterns and talked in detail about drag free presentation, High sticking and the Lisenring lift methods. I guess he listened well or just read my web report on the Beaverkill.

I also sold him all of the hooks and materials necessary to reproduce my patterns and even gave him a demonstration on the correct tying of the patterns. What pushed me start typing this post however is the fact that his second picture is of the fly that I tied and gave to him as a gift / sample.

To anyone who might find my responding here as offensive, I apologize.

But to Matt, I hope you realize that the fly fishing universe is quite small and before long you'll notice that you'll be seeing and interacting with the same group of people over and over again. With that said anything that you post on a public site will likely be viewed by those that you have interacted with. In the future I hope you will think before you speak or type.

Ken Tutalo
Baxter House River Outfitters

 

[jamiep]

Ohhhh boy that sucks.
So they are not his patterns could they be variants of those flies that he tied ken?


Maybe he wanted to make the story/report a little bit better by telling a few white lies we all do it Within reason

Does it bother you he didnt credit you with the info you passed along? (please dont take offence to this question. just a question)
I understand what you mean about the personal gift.

Jamie

By the way theres no offence in what you posted .

 

[kindanewbie77]

If in fact what you are saying is true, and I have no reason to doubt you, putting your name in front of another guys pattern is pretty low down. Saying, " This is my impression of Joe Blow's Caddis pupae" in my opinion is fine, but it may not be in other guys. Give credit where credit is due, and no one should think any less of you for doing that.

 

[Delaware Drifter]

Jamie,

I could care less about credit. We give honest advice and instruction to anyone who comes into the shop.

My post was simply to point out how innacurate and misleading anonymous posts can be.

To answer your question if I sold him the flies. Yes, I personally tied and gave him the fly that he photographed. This is probably what got my hackle up and provoked me to post.

With that said I do not have any intention in elaborating further on the topic and if I offended you with the post I apologize.

good fishing,

Ken

 

[Burtbords149]

Ken,

You come highly recommended by a friend who floats with you frequently.

Would you like to elaborate on those fly patterns? Maybe a recipe that we could add to the fly pattern data base?

 

[Corndog]

Although I occasionally read internet boards, I rarely post anything and perhaps I might even be making a mistake with this response.

I find however that I must respond to "Rat "mats fishing report. First off I can actually substantiate old rats fishing report and his weekend full of taking fish. His location fly choices and techniques are spot on for the conditions and I even enjoyed watching him land a few nice fish.

I must write on however and illustrate why anonymous posts should never be given much credence.

First off both of the Rats patterns are not his own. In fact both are from Ken Tutalos DVD which had a first run in 2003.

Heres my report on Mat;

On Friday night Mat came to the Baxter House to talk about fishing and his lack of success. I suggested the caddis patterns and talked in detail about drag free presentation, High sticking and the Lisenring lift methods. I guess he listened well or just read my web report on the Beaverkill.

I also sold him all of the hooks and materials necessary to reproduce my patterns and even gave him a demonstration on the correct tying of the patterns. What pushed me start typing this post however is the fact that his second picture is of the fly that I tied and gave to him as a gift / sample.

To anyone who might find my responding here as offensive, I apologize.

But to Matt, I hope you realize that the fly fishing universe is quite small and before long you'll notice that you'll be seeing and interacting with the same group of people over and over again. With that said anything that you post on a public site will likely be viewed by those that you have interacted with. In the future I hope you will think before you speak or type.

Ken Tutalo
Baxter House River Outfitters

Ken,

I don't know for sure how to take your post Ken. First you embarass a paying customer then shamelessly self-promote your DVD.

Curiousdog

 

[jamiep]

Jamie,

I could care less about credit. We give honest advice and instruction to anyone who comes into the shop.

My post was simply to point out how innacurate and misleading anonymous posts can be.

To answer your question if I sold him the flies. Yes, I personally tied and gave him the fly that he photographed. This is probably what got my hackle up and provoked me to post.

With that said I do not have any intention in elaborating further on the topic and if I offended you with the post I apologize.

good fishing,

Ken

Ken Like i said no offence in what you said my skins a little thick to be offended on a forum brother.

I Hear what your saying about your flies being potographed and being called someones own.

Jamie

 

[ratmatt]

They are Ken flys and they work like a mother F.....er, he knows what he is doing ,is a super nice guy, and an awsome tyer...his shope has everything you could ever ask for.....I (ratmatt) am the asshole..I got caught in a fish tail and will not let ken take shit for getting pissed...I would too..I am sorry for misleading anyone...aside from whos pattern it is the report is solid....MY FACE IS RED..............SORRY ratmat out..:crap:

 

[AKSkim]

Alright...

We got to the bottom of it and now everyone is happy.

This one was solved faster than who untied the boat.

If only all questions could be well handled as this one.

Then again...

 

[ratmatt]

By the way NO gifts were given........see how easy it is to embelish

 

[AKSkim]

By the way NO gifts were given........see how easy it is to embelish

Well... here we go.

I thought it was settled....

Now before EVERYONE gets mad at me...

I am not the one who is kicking the sleeping dog here....

I thought my post was the end all. But I may have been a bit too early on this one lads.

Alright, since I don't fish up there on the Mighty Del nor even care too..

I shall set myself up as the Judge and jury.

I shall appoint Dr. BusTokens as legal council for RatMatt.

For Delaware Drifter I shall appoint someone very impartial... Like DC.

There we have it. I just checked my court calendar and I will hear pre-trial motions from councils on June 20, 2009 at 0900 in the Porta-Chambers of Stoney's Campsite.

There will be no bitting, clawing of eyes, pulling of hair or ears.

Spitting is acceptable.

 

[babyblue]

Ken,
You need to explain something here. How is it you use this web site to chastise a poster about a generic tie, where he got it, and how to use it.

But, when you found a boat drifting in the WB, you were silent for days, until the heat was on, and you fessed up.

Please explain!

Rich

 

[MACFLY]

Ken,
You need to explain something here. How is it you use this web site to chastise a poster about a generic tie, where he got it, and how to use it.

But, when you found a boat drifting in the WB, you were silent for days, until the heat was on, and you fessed up.

Please explain!

Rich

The Plot Thickens...Oh the suspense...the intrigue...the sub plot...I can hardly wait for the sequel!!!!

Hey Ken when did you start to refer to yourself in the third person..or is it the first person....Ratmatt its always easy to embellish but much harder to admit it when called out...nicely done and as someone esle said fish tales are not uncommon.

 

[TheHeron]

They are Ken flys and they work like a mother F.....er, he knows what he is doing ,is a super nice guy, and an awsome tyer...his shope has everything you could ever ask for.....I (ratmatt) am the asshole..I got caught in a fish tail and will not let ken take shit for getting pissed...I would too..I am sorry for misleading anyone...aside from whos pattern it is the report is solid....MY FACE IS RED..............SORRY ratmat out..:crap:

You're not an a-hole, you just went in over your waders and got soaked. It happens, you'll dry off. Mr. K.T. on the other hand, could have posted his message in a much less self-serving manner.........it is clear he knew that, too, as he apologized ad nauseum....I think Shakespeare had something to say about this kind of behavior.....

It's just fly fishing, it doesn't prove a thing.................but a disappearing drift boat may be a different story.

Mel

 

[Simms]

I was also trying to figure out why Mr. Ken was reffering to himself in the 3rd person the majority of the time. Nice way to promote his DVD as well.

Rat, like others said, youll dry off. No big deal. Keep catchin' those fish!

 

[GARYB]

Rat

You said you caught a bunch of rainbows on the BK, that's a little rare. I know they
are occasionally caught, actually I caught my first BK bow last year. What I'm getting
at is, I wonder if the Town of Roscoe is stocking them. I can't believe they all come up from the Delaware. Like the one I caught last year, didn't really fight that hard and if you ever caught a wild bow from the Delaware you'd know the difference.
Ken has always been good to me and always gives honest fishing reports. His flies
are killers too.

 

[Simms]

Bows are stocked in the BK I believe. I caught my share on the Bk and the Willi as well...

 

[Wbranch]

What evidence do you have that rainbows are stocked in the BK or Willowemoc? Are you inferring that NYS stocks them? If so that is really a departure from over forty years of fish stocking on the BK from Junction Pool on down to the town of East Branch. The private clubs of the upper BK and Willow above the Quickway have been stocking good sized rainbows for decades.

 

[bkill]

There is one club (that I know of) on the Willow that stocks some bows but I doubt they came from that property (they usually stock HUGE Kamloops)...The rainbows have been increasing in numbers every year (I have been fly fishing the river since 85)..It used to be that I would catch a couple a season and those were mostly on the Lower Bkill...Last year bows made up over 10% of my Beaverkill catch...There is enough of them in the river that you can actually target them...NYS or the Chamber does not stocks rainbows...

 

[GARYB]

What I'm saying is, I don't think these are the wild Delaware rainbows that are increasing
in population. Some people may want you to believe this, but I don't. I know the state has
only stocked browns, so I think a lot of these 10" to 12" rainbows are being locally stocked. I also don't think they are from private clubs in the upper stretches.

 

[bkill]

Gary, I am not going to say that someone absolutely isnt stocking rainbows in the Beaverkill but I absolutely know the fish that I have been catching are of the same strain of fish as I catch in the East Branch, Main Stem and Tribs...

Over the years, I have had people swear that they were catching rainbows, when they are actually catching the states freshly stocked browns which for some reason tend to be silver when fresh from the Monguap hatchery..

 

[Corndog]

With the flooding the Beaverkill has experienced over the last few years they could have come from almost anywhere. I know the club above the covered bridge on the Little Beaverkill used to stock rainbows for their kids days. A few years back I caught a 14" Palimino in the Beaverkill by the Roscoe Campground. I'm pretty sure it wasn't a Delaware Palimino. lol

Cdog

 

[Wbranch]

I agree 100% with bkill.

"It used to be that I would catch a couple a season and those were mostly on the Lower Bkill..."

I don't fish the BK or Willowemoc any longer but have heard reports, from reputable sources, that indicate there are far more rainbows in the BK and Willowemoc now that there were twenty - thirty years ago. In twenty years of fishing those two streams I can still remember where I caught rainbows.

One 17" at the fast water at the upper end of the Willowemoc No-Kill, a 10" 'bow in the swift water below the first Quickway bridge below the Power Enclosure, a 17" fish at the very head of the fast water at the beginning of the upper No-Kill on the BK, and one 18" fish at the head of Hendrickson's in lower water. All were caught on nymphs. That is how few the rainbows were from 1965 to the mid 1980's. During that same period I probably caught over a thousand brown trout.

 

[Burtbords149]

This may be frowned upon...but I've heard of wild rainbows in the Beaverkill. I've spoken to local knowledge who says that the state has found rainbows spawning in a small trib of the Beaverkill. I caught a fairly small one maybe 12" that gave me a heck of a fight...they may have originated from the Delaware, McCloud strain but they are definitely spawning in at least one Beaverkill trib.

Those small silvery browns that the state stocks we call "silver bullets". In the opinion of some folks they are just stocked to get the stocking numbers up.