Barbed trebble hooks = trouble.

[afishinado]

FYI, study results single vs. treble hooks:

Maryland Mortality Study

 

[flyman23]

This is a fly fishing site, however, if you want to fish for wild trout with spinners, why not use a single barbless hook? Easy enough and you would do a lot less damage. Save the trebles for some put and take fishery.

 

[biot]

The mortality study say's it all. And even if it were done on a different river, the result would probably be the same

 

[dcabarle]

Who's defending them? I'm merely "pointing" out facts about both methods. Heck one 11" wild brown today swallowed my beadhead and got it caught in one of its gill rakers. Another two were hooked through the eye socket just missing the eye. A few others had lip damage. I must be doing something wrong though 'cause I know this never, ever happens to anybody else right?

Mark

I'm not doubting you but you seem to take pictures of everything. Let's see them.

 

[NJAngler]

This is a fly fishing site, however, if you want to fish for wild trout with spinners, why not use a single barbless hook? Easy enough and you would do a lot less damage. Save the trebles for some put and take fishery.

I've experimented and although I can catch trout with a single hook, there are far more falloffs and misses - sometimes as high as 50%. Some say "well instead of catching 100 you'll get 50 - its still a great day", well not to me. Its all about being efficient and not leaving the streams thinking "damn, I couldv'e done better".

Dennis - i was going to take a few pics but photos of blood and carnage would make me look sadistic. I may love all those "Saw" movies but I genuinely feel bad when I see trout bleeding and being the one to blame for it.

Mark

 

[klg neighbor]

I've experimented and although I can catch trout with a single hook, there are far more falloffs and misses - sometimes as high as 50%. Some say "well instead of catching 100 you'll get 50 - its still a great day", well not to me. Its all about being efficient and not leaving the streams thinking "damn, I couldv'e done better".

Dennis - i was going to take a few pics but photos of blood and carnage would make me look sadistic. I may love all those "Saw" movies but I genuinely feel bad when I see trout bleeding and being the one to blame for it.

Mark

With all due respect, Mark, maybe the falloff and misses is with your technique and not the single hook?

 

[flyman23]

Maybe you should try harder, most of us fly fish on this site with single hooks and don't seem to have a problem hooking and landing fish. I don't have any problem with someone fishing lures, but treble hooks on a wild trout stream, come on. Give the fish a break.

 

[quality time]

I've experimented and although I can catch trout with a single hook, there are far more falloffs and misses - sometimes as high as 50%. Some say "well instead of catching 100 you'll get 50 - its still a great day", well not to me. Its all about being efficient and not leaving the streams thinking "damn, I couldv'e done better".

Mark....this really bothers me.

In your posts there is not a shred of logic or technical support for the use of trebel hooks on wild trout streams. What's worse, the above post is nothing more than a pathetic attempt to justify continued carnage by claiming a lower hook-up percentage......oh, too bad if I put a bunch of extra holes in the fish, I got another picture of it and have stoked my self-esteem even higher.

You must be a real legend in your own mind.

I for one am not at all impressed with numbers. I would love to know how many othes on this board are.....perhaps I'm a minority and should just ban myself.

If you want competition with a fishing rod, get on the Bassmasters circuit.

QT

P.S. Dennis, I re-typed this about three times to try and adhere to the spirit of your earlier message on personal attacks. I will still understand it if the Snake goes about his business before the dawn, though.

 

[dcabarle]

Mark....this really bothers me.

In your posts there is not a shred of logic or technical support for the use of trebel hooks on wild trout streams. What's worse, the above post is nothing more than a pathetic attempt to justify continued carnage by claiming a lower hook-up percentage......oh, too bad if I put a bunch of extra holes in the fish, I got another picture of it and have stoked my self-esteem even higher.

You must be a real legend in your own mind.

I for one am not at all impressed with numbers. I would love to know how many othes on this board are.....perhaps I'm a minority and should just ban myself.

If you want competition with a fishing rod, get on the Bassmasters circuit.

QT

P.S. Dennis, I re-typed this about three times to try and adhere to the spirit of your earlier message on personal attacks. I will still understand it if the Snake goes about his business before the dawn, though.

Post your thoughts but don't simply do it to be mean, do it because you believe it. There is a difference. There's nothing wrong with a heated argument. If I call you a jackass, so what. If I post a photo of your retarded kid and make fun of him or if I tell you how happy I am that your pet cat just died or maybe laugh at your wife because she has breast cancer... well now, I think that's where the line is being crossed and it won't be tolerated.

 

[NJAngler]

Re: Barbed treble hooks = trouble.

With all due respect, Mark, maybe the falloff and misses is with your technique and not the single hook?

I think falloffs happen less often with a fly rod due to more leverage(8'5" rod instead of 5'6") and angle of the hookset(up as opposed to sideways or diagonal). I rarely pull the rod straight up while spin fishing since most casts are made across and not directly upstream. Most times with a fly rod - at least for me - I pull straight up after feeling a hit. I would agree that success using a single hook is much higher using flies rather than spinners. Much more so IMO.

Mark....this really bothers me.

In your posts there is not a shred of logic or technical support for the use of trebel hooks on wild trout streams. What's worse, the above post is nothing more than a pathetic attempt to justify continued carnage by claiming a lower hook-up percentage......oh, too bad if I put a bunch of extra holes in the fish, I got another picture of it and have stoked my self-esteem even higher.

State makes the rules, not me. I fish legally with barbless trebles because i can. If they want to change it to a single , barbless hook, I'd support it 100%. You've got my word on that. You see the problem isn't with me using trebles, its others. I'm confident enough in my skills to reduce trout mortality while joe blow angler new to the spinner world is not. those are the anglers i worry about, not me.

You must be a real legend in your own mind.

About once in every trip, i'll take a trout from a spot no one else would think held a trout. Its those moments i think to myself "damn, I'm good". Nothing wrong with confidence.

I for one am not at all impressed with numbers. I would love to know how many othes on this board are.....perhaps I'm a minority and should just ban myself.

Most could care less. I do it for my own personal enjoyment as I'm sure others do as well. I see no problem in posting about them. Its not done to be controversial. The problem comes from an individual's opinion of what my intentions for posting them are - in other words, trying to read my mind. There is a big difference between sharing and bragging. Some who like to see numbers or keep track themselves, see it as sharing useful/fun info; others who don't keep track and hate it, see it as bragging. It is what it is and there is never pleasing everybody.

If you want competition with a fishing rod, get on the Bassmasters circuit.

If I wanted competition I wouldn't fish alone. The only person I compete with is myself and trust me, no one is tougher on myself than me. I take my fishing seriously and hate to "lose". Sure i enjoy the solitude, scenery, wildlife and colorful trout but i'm as fierce as competitor as you'll find. A lost fish or lost lure/fly to me is unacceptable and a indication I did something wrong. I see nothing wrong with trying to be the best at what i love to do.

NJA

 

[afishinado]

FYI, check out this study on treble hook mortality:
Maryland Mortality Study

Here are the conclusions based on the study:


CONCLUSIONS
Single hook artificial flies did not produce any observed mortalities among 199 wild brook and brown trout captured in the Savage River tailwater.

Brown trout in the Savage River tailwater exhibited a low vulnerability to capture with artificial lures and a low mortality rate when caught on artificial lures equipped with treble hooks. The use of artificial lures probably does not produce a measurable effect on brown trout in the Savage River tailwater.
Brook trout in the Savage River tailwater were subject to a significantly higher mortality rate than brown trout when captured on the same treble hook equipped artificial lures. In addition, relatively low levels of angler effort with treble hook equipped artificial lures will produce disproportionately higher mortality among brook trout in the Savage River tailwater.

RECOMMENDATIONS
The use of single hook artificial flies should continue to be permitted on the Savage River tailwater.
The regulation regarding artificial lures currently in effect on the Savage River tailwater should be modified to require the use of single point hooks only.

 

[NJAngler]

good study- one of the best i've read yet and its conclusions are exactly what you would expect.

You won't ever hear me condone the use of barbed trebles. I'm too damn clumsy and do not want to remove a barbed hook from my skin or vest once a week. As for concern over wild trout, well if i was that concerned about harming them I wouldn't even fish for them. I do care for them but not so much I'll commit hari-kari if a few die per year. there's a risk in most things we like to do. it comes with the territory and we can live with it. i think i choose to do just enough(going barbless) to both protect trout and enjoy a satisfying fishing experience at the same time.

All that being said, I would agree that on NJ WTS, barbless SHOULD be the rule as it should also be in the TCA's. These are places most anglers release trout anyways so going the extra step seems logical. not sure why they never thought it was a good idea.

 

[Trouser Trout]

i know this is an old thread but, when i trout fish with my kids they use spinners mostly with barbed treble hooks, I have found if you cut one of the hooks off it doesn't impact the action of the lure, it doesn't seem to impact the hook setting of the lure substantially, but it makes it a hell of a lot easier to remove the hook from the fish, I don't think we had any fish mortality in the last three years or ever with this technique.

 

[jcstikfish]

Another aspect to all of this is the level of care the fisherman takes to remove the hook or hooks with as little impact to the fish's jaw/mouth as possible. Especially when barbed hooks are used, so many folks do not brace the inside of the fish's jaw and/or use forceps to traget the force directly on moving the barb.
How many fish have you caught (especially in a TCA) that have completely blown out jaws???? Too many is my answer, and no that fish wasn't "born that way". Even when using barbed hooks, this outcome is never necessary when proper care is taken. :rant:


~James