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You and a friend are confronted by a large Grizzly Bear

MACFLY

MACFLY

Too many streams too little time
You and a friend are fishing in a remote section of yellowstone Park.
You have just concluded an epic day of fishing for wild cutthroat trout and are preparing to head down the trail to your car wher you will drive back to yellowstone lodge for an equally epic dinner and cocktails. Against park regulations, you have packed a 44 caliber pistol but only have 2 bullets left. You also have a can of bear spray also known as bear perfume. As you approach the trail a Very large Grizzly charges from a distance of 100 ft. what do you do?
 
Most people have a better chance of spraying the bear. Let's face it, unless you are military or law enforcement drawing a bead on a charging bear and double tapping him with a large caliber firearm ain't gonna happen. That's why shotguns are better for self defense and so is bear spray. Statistics also say the same.
 
I'll hit it with pepper spray first to slow it down, that will give me time to draw a bead on its heart/lung area and double tap that bitch right (if it doesn't retreat). Although with a 44mag, its not really a double tap, more of a shoot, recover from the recoil, aim-shoot. I may not be military or a cop, but I was bowling pin champ for a while back in the day.
 
A 12gauge with jacketed slugs is exactly what you want. My friend lived up in AK, and they have a special round for bears. I believe its a hollow-point slug filled with 00-buck.
 
You're all stupid... By some of the "logic" I've heard from some of you, why not just say 3 our fathers, 2 hail mary's, etc... Send your kids to the center of town to get stoned (right after you auction your daughters off for slavery) and call it a day!!! If you believe in this, you will be saved.

On another note, why not question why God would send the bear in the first place? I know... God doesn't like you and probably meant to hand each of you a gun so you could shoot yourselves 1 time each in the leg and just to make the bear happy (god loves bears) he'll let the bear finish you off.

Thank god for guns (and bears) and mosquitos and a whole bunch of other things like war and foxholes (so you'll have a place to pray) and NIKE because God wants your feet to be comfy when you're sitting in your foxhole and AIDS (gotta thank the big guy for AIDS) and car accidents and train wrecks and money (god LOVES your money!!!! He loves your money so much, he has his name inscribed on every cent and dollar in your pocket (unless you're me, I cross his name out with a sharpy and replace it with my name)).

:) have fun!

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MACFLY said:
You shoot me and call me a snake. At least have the guts to fight. I guess if Im a snake you must be the weasel
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Not any snake, MacFly... A TALKING SNAKE!!! Just like the one in the garden of Eden!
 
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dcabarle said:
You're all stupid... By some of the "logic" I've heard from some of you, why not just say 3 our fathers, 2 hail mary's, etc... Send your kids to the center of town to get stoned (right after you auction your daughters off for slavery) and call it a day!!! If you believe in this, you will be saved.

On another note, why not question why God would send the bear in the first place? I know... God doesn't like you and probably meant to hand each of you a gun so you could shoot yourselves 1 time each in the leg and just to make the bear happy (god loves bears) he'll let the bear finish you off.

Thank god for guns (and bears) and mosquitos and a whole bunch of other things like war and foxholes (so you'll have a place to pray) and NIKE because God wants your feet to be comfy when you're sitting in your foxhole and AIDS (gotta thank the big guy for AIDS) and car accidents and train wrecks and money (god LOVES your money!!!! He loves your money so much, he has his name inscribed on every cent and dollar in your pocket (unless you're me, I cross his name out with a sharpy and replace it with my name)).

:) have fun!

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Not any snake, MacFly... A TALKING SNAKE!!! Just like the one in the garden of Eden!
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For someone who doesn't believe, you sure do like to think and write about... "It"

Thank God.
 
Future Fanatic said:
I'm afraid that a shotgun would only piss off a charging grizzly bear. One might just want to take a different tack and put it under one's chin.
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The shotgun example was meant more that they are more user friendly In a stressful situation and less aim dependent just like bear spray.

My brother and all his Alaska guide friends all preferred the spray. This was do purely to effectiveness. My brother used his three times with success. One even used to carry a gun, but after having a 1000 lb bear still hit him after being shot twice in the head just from the momentum of charging switched to spray.
 
You're not supposed to aim for the head, unless you can stick the barrel in his eye. Their skulls are too thick and angled, your round is more likely to just deflect off. Most big predators have thick skulls since they go in head first for the attack.

I'm going to fish in big bear country someday (I fish in small bear country now), so I've been boning up on the facts. Reality is there is a small chance you'll be attacked, but you and your buddy should be prepared anyway.
 
Lighten up Cabarle
dcabarle said:
You're all stupid... By some of the "logic" I've heard from some of you, why not just say 3 our fathers, 2 hail mary's, etc... Send your kids to the center of town to get stoned (right after you auction your daughters off for slavery) and call it a day!!! If you believe in this, you will be saved.

On another note, why not question why God would send the bear in the first place? I know... God doesn't like you and probably meant to hand each of you a gun so you could shoot yourselves 1 time each in the leg and just to make the bear happy (god loves bears) he'll let the bear finish you off.

Thank god for guns (and bears) and mosquitos and a whole bunch of other things like war and foxholes (so you'll have a place to pray) and NIKE because God wants your feet to be comfy when you're sitting in your foxhole and AIDS (gotta thank the big guy for AIDS) and car accidents and train wrecks and money (god LOVES your money!!!! He loves your money so much, he has his name inscribed on every cent and dollar in your pocket (unless you're me, I cross his name out with a sharpy and replace it with my name)).

:) have fun!

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Not any snake, MacFly... A TALKING SNAKE!!! Just like the one in the garden of Eden!
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Trout Nazi said:
You're not supposed to aim for the head, unless you can stick the barrel in his eye. Their skulls are too thick and angled, your round is more likely to just deflect off. Most big predators have thick skulls since they go in head first for the attack.

I'm going to fish in big bear country someday (I fish in small bear country now), so I've been boning up on the facts. Reality is there is a small chance you'll be attacked, but you and your buddy should be prepared anyway.
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They don't charge sideways...

The fact is, most bear attacks don't occur at 100 yds with a full on charge. Mostly people walk around the corner and there's Momma bear and cubs. She swings at you, and boom your toast. I think most people would shoot themselves in the foot first. The other percentage is "Conditioned" bears who learn to chase people off kills or backpacks etc. Theres a landing that we put in at where my brother had a bear confrontation. He saw the boat pull up, came running out of the woods, because he knew it was a fish cleaning place and saw a free dinner.

I am busting chops a little bit. If a bear shits in the woods does anybody step in it?

Here's an interesting story for you:

Backpackper Shoots, Kills Grizzly In Alaska Park | Fox News
Took this guy NINE rounds from said 0.45 to stop the bear, even then he walked away to die.

If we're talking about deadly woods critters, we should talk about Moose too!...
 
How much can you get for a daughter? just wondering, I have been looking at the new Sage One and trying to figure out how to afford one

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actually I shoot my friend in the head and leave him for bear food, then I save the one bullet and spray in case i encounter another bear
 
MACFLY said:
You and a friend are fishing in a remote section of yellowstone Park.
You have just concluded an epic day of fishing for wild cutthroat trout and are preparing to head down the trail to your car wher you will drive back to yellowstone lodge for an equally epic dinner and cocktails. Against park regulations, you have packed a 44 caliber pistol but only have 2 bullets left. You also have a can of bear spray also known as bear perfume. As you approach the trail a Very large Grizzly charges from a distance of 100 ft. what do you do?
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The regulations that you ignored were to prevent a pissed off winged bear attack you or some other hapless fisherman who had no idea that you just winged a bear in the leg.
The regs are there for a reason. When I worked out in Alaska we used a sawed off 12 gauge pump with #6 bird shot followed by #2 buck shot followed by slugs. Never killed one but sprayed some bird shot at their feet a couple times to scare em off.
Now, through the passage of time and gathered wisdom, bear spray is a far better deterrent, at least in Alaska where the bears are doing the same thing as you.
In the Rockies, the worst thing you can do is surprise a bear on a fresh kill, They are a whole different animal. Not a whole lot you are going to do there either with a gun or spray.
 
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Thanks Ranger Rick...and now back to our program:)
brachycentrus said:
The regulations that you ignored were to prevent a pissed off winged bear attack you or some other hapless fisherman who had no idea that you just winged a bear in the leg.
The regs are there for a reason. When I worked out in Alaska we used a sawed off 12 gauge pump with #6 bird shot followed by #2 buck shot followed by slugs. Never killed one but sprayed some bird shot at their feet a couple times to scare em off.
Now, through the passage of time and gathered wisdom, bear spray is a far better deterrent, at least in Alaska where the bears are doing the same thing as you.
In the Rockies, the worst thing you can do is surprise a bear on a fresh kill, They are a whole different animal. Not a whole lot you are going to do there either with a gun or spray.
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This is what you should do.
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Trouser Trout said:
that damn scared of a bear encounter, stay the hell home.
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I for one is not scared of a bear encounter.

But I am scared of being eaten alive by a pack of killer bears.

Bears have their place in society, and that is behind bars in zoos, not out in the wilds.
 
AKSkim said:
I for one is not scared of a bear encounter.

But I am scared of being eaten alive by a pack of killer bears.

Bears have their place in society, and that is behind bars in zoos, not out in the wilds.
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Packs of bears, hahaha, now that funny and would be SCARY!

There is no society in the wild. If there was you would see deer wearing pants and neck ties.
 
Johnny Utah said:
If there was you would see deer wearing pants and neck ties.
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Sometimes I just have to call out people when they say dumb things.

Following your logic, deer are incapable of tying a tie because they don't have thumbs on their paws.
 
AKSkim said:
Sometimes I just have to call out people when they say dumb things.

Following your logic, deer are incapable of tying a tie because they don't have thumbs on their paws.
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You assume the deer are sophisticated.... Clip on ties....cmon...


bears in packs....rabbits eating tree leaves, and deer with paws......priceless.
 
With all this talk of guns and spray, I'll tell you fellas an unbelievable, but true story. I was back in the old country (in the Balkans) a few years ago, and while I was there, visited two of my cousins in the hospital, who were finishing up a month stint after being mauled by an 800lb brown bear. People are poor there, so they protect what little that they have, in their case, a honey operation that was being repeatedly trashed by a bear. The preferred method is to rig an older double-barrel shotgun to go off both barrels at the same time. So, they laid in ambush, and when the bear appeared, they let it get to within 10ft, and then tried to give it both barrels (this is how they hunt boar also). Well, the gun misfired, didn't go off. The gun was ancient not kept in good repair. So what did these crazy mofos do? They fought the thing with knives when it charged. Yes knives. Both were sent to intensive care with some severe wounds. They're pretty scarred up now, and my younger cousin has a big bald spot on the side of his head from where his scalp was torn off. The bear was found dead about a mile away, and is now a rug in their house.
 
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