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Woodstock site: NY Route 17B

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Friends and fellow anglers,
Two newspaper article appeared today in The Times Herald Record and New York Times.

This time about the groundbreaking of the 1969 Woodstock site - now called Bethel Woods - in Bethel, New York.

Right off of New York Route 17B in Sullivan County near White Lake.

Yes - and those to the south will be taking NY Route 17 to get there as will those going to the VLT's and possibly casinos in the future.

The New York Philharmonic will be the summer orchestra as the BSO has been the summer ochestra at Tanglewood in the Berkshires.

Pataki, the senators and the dignataries were there.

The area is changing...I should say, has been changing for the past five years.

Please read the article.
Thank you.

TR
Narrowsburg, NY
www.delawareriverfishing.com
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http://www.recordonline.com/archive/2004/07/20/woodgrow.htm

Gerry makes dream a reality

By Steve Israel
Times Herald-Record
sisrael@th-record.com

Bethel – Alan Gerry stood in front of the bowl-shaped field where the main stage of his performing arts center will sit.
He thanked the executive director of the New York Philharmonic for coming to the groundbreaking next to the 1969 Woodstock festival site. Then the Liberty cable TV magnate said this to the crowd of more than 300 seated under a white tent: "You know they [the Philharmonic] are going to open the show in two years."
Gerry was talking about the opening of the $63 million arts center, the first weekend of July 2006.
Later, the Philharmonic's Zarin Mehta went one step further. The brother of conductor Zubin Mehta said one of the world's great orchestras could make the Bethel Woods Center for the Arts its second home.
"It's a great idea. We've been looking for a summer home," he said, after mentioning the orchestra would first have to figure out logistics like travel and housing.
The Philharmonic won't be the only show in this central Sullivan County town of farms and fields. The man developing the arts center's programming, David Carlucci, formerly of the Saratoga Performing Arts Center, said he's already talking to performers, ranging from modern dance and ballet companies to new musicians and rock 'n' rollers.
But you didn't need officials or Gov. George Pataki digging a shiny shovel in the ground to tell you decades of Woodstock dreams were coming true.
You just needed to stand on the hill and listen to the rumbling of bulldozers. Thirty-five years after 450,000 blanketed Max Yasgur's dairy farm, construction on the performing arts center that will celebrate the festival has begun.
Yesterday, some 300 invitees, from bearded Woodstock veteran Duke Devlin to bearded County Attorney Sam Yasgur, the son of Max, got a look at the model of the 4,800 seat indoor-outdoor pavilion and the interpretative center that will house an exhibit devoted to Woodstock – all built with natural-style materials chosen by Gerry.
They munched hors d'oeuvres, sipped chardonnay and heard politicians praise Gerry, who turned a black-and-white-TV repair shop in Liberty into a $2.8 billion cable TV empire.
State Sen. John Bonacic, R-C Mount Hope, who reiterated the promise of $15 million in state aid, even quoted Ralph Waldo Emerson: "To know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived/This is to have succeeded."
But politicians like Bonacic, Assemblywoman Aileen Gunther, D-Forestburgh, and Rep. Maurice Hinchey, D-Saugerties, were playing to an easy crowd.
Miles from the tent and chocolate strawberries, some of the folks in show-me Sullivan are finally beginning to believe this arts center will be built.
"It can only help, it's only a good thing" said Mike Schwartz, standing outside the White Lake Firehouse. "There's no downside to it."
"I'm all for it; it's better than a casino," said Alice Froelich at her Kenoza Lake farmhouse. "And if a local guy can do it, it's even better."
Local guy Gerry, who was once so poor he stuffed cardboard in his shoes to cover holes, knows Sullivan County is a tough sell.
"We read a lot of promises and ideas and unfortunately very little turns to reality," said the man wearing black Luchese cowboy boots.
Then he paused, and you could hear reality: the rumbling of bulldozers building the Bethel Woods Center for the Arts.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/20/nyregion/20woodstock.html

Establishing a Center to Remember Woodstock
By MAREK FUCHS

Published: July 20, 2004


BETHEL, N.Y., July 19 - In summer-weight suits and dresses, chatting over white wine and choice hors d'oeuvres, business leaders and politicians gathered here Monday to scoop ceremonial soil and declare a new future for former alfalfa and corn fields best known for the mud, nudity and three-day concert that came to define a generation.


The New York Thruway was not backed up for miles Monday, but those who were here were full of hope that their development plans, now officially under way, would redefine Max Yasgur's old dairy farm and the surrounding acreage and give Sullivan County the means to compete with places like Saratoga Springs and Tanglewood for summer concert dollars.

There will be an amphitheater and museum opening in two years, and it is possible that a hotel and conference center and a music school will start by 2012. That would be more than four decades after the famous warnings came from the stage in August 1969, advising the 400,000 revelers to stay clear of the brown acid.

The new direction of the old site of the Woodstock Music and Art Fair took form when Alan Gerry, a local man who made a fortune in cable television, bought the Yasgur farm and surrounding land for more than $10 million starting in 1997.

The land had always existed in a state of arrested adolescence, troubled by different owners, fizzled plans and ambivalence in Bethel about how - if at all - the concert, considered a nuisance by many, should be commemorated.

For years there has only been a small marker where the stage stood. "It's like the tomb of the unknown hippie," said Duke Devlin, 61, who came for the concert from a commune in Texas and never left. The concert had to be moved to Bethel because of the large crowds, and Mr. Devlin, for one, always felt that a grander tribute was in order.

Neither the amphitheater nor the museum, both of which are scheduled to open with a concert by the New York Philharmonic on July 4, 2006, are to be directly on the concert site. They will sit instead on a plateau above it, part of a sloping contoured area with several outcrops of rocks and trees. The museum and 4,800-seat covered amphitheater, which will be run as nonprofit organizations, will cost a combined $63 million to build. Funds are to come from the Gerry Foundation and New York State, which will provide $15 million.

Though Gov. George E. Pataki could not attend the official groundbreaking ceremony for the Bethel Woods Center for the Arts, he arrived several hours earlier to survey the site and toss dirt with a titanium shovel. Mr. Pataki said he hoped to bring his children to the museum to tell them about the concert.

Asked later, the governor said he missed his chance to attend Woodstock. A friend asked him to go when he was a summer intern at a Wall Street law firm. "He said we should go, but I told him I didn't think it would be exciting,'' Mr. Pataki said. "I should have gone."

Some of those who did go, and even those who did not, are raising some eyebrows about the hotel and conference center that might go up around the amphitheater and the museum.

Jonathan Drapkin, the executive director of the Gerry Foundation, said the first goal was to complete what was begun Monday. He could not say whether the hotel and conference center would be nonprofit, too.

Rose Hillock, 58, a homemaker who lives nearby in Cochecton, said that anything on the site that concerned music was appropriate, "but I draw the line there."

Kamber Kukic, 51, who owns the Bethel Country Store, said the area was in desperate need of the energy Mr. Gerry was offering. He added that even if a conference center went up, that would beat the alternative being talked about in the area: casinos.

Wavy Gravy, or Hugh Romney, one of the Woodstock purists who is famous for his raspy festival announcement of "breakfast in bed for 400,000!" said he had mixed feelings about the plans. Reached by phone in Canada at the Vancouver Folk Festival, Mr. Romney said it was the first he had heard of the development. "It could be something amazing or it could be schlock," he said. "I never say there's no hope."

Mr. Romney added that the strength of the Woodstock festival was the people, not some magical parcel of land. "It rained. The whole world was watching and declared it a disaster area. But we lifted ourselves up by our collective bootstraps, and it truly was that energy that lifted people up spiritually," he said.

"It could have been the Mississippi flooding and everyone pitching in so there were no bankers or street persons. It was just like that, only we had a better sound track. It is never the dwelling place, but the dweller," he said. "Besides, maybe peace and understanding will be spoken about at the conference center."
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Tom.

I saw the announcement and kept tongue in cheek when reading about the VLT's and the traffic they might cause, knowing this will be yet another increase in visitors.

Unfortunately for me I take 17B to my house, traveling from Monticello to Fosterdale then onto North Branch. I will just have to change the times I travel up for the weekends.

No use lamenting. If it gets that bad I can always sell. Like the traffic, the good homes and locations are increasing in value rapidly as well.

I go up every weekend to get away from the rat race down in NJ. I'm not about to start complaining now, it is too beautiful up on my mountain top to get negative.

Michael M.
 
Michael I understand your statement clearly. You have to look at it this way. It's not a damb casino that brings a lot of trouble with it. For once if they are going to build something and ruin a piece of ground I would not mind seeing the performing arts. It does mean jobs and a chance to some of the Kids up their to one day be in the performing arts. Also when you look at it. A nice playing concert is just the ticket to get ones spirit through music come a live. It sucks, but it does beat and out weigh a stupid trash infected casino.

Andy
 
How 'bout this one. Years ago the county was approached with the possibility of building the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame at the site. They turned it down. I guess who ever made the decision really didn't like money for the county.

Keith
 
Beamoc,

When I attended Sullivan County Community College, it was in South Fallsburg. At that time the communities of Monticello and Lock Sheldrake were vying for the college and/or an airport. There was already a strong sentiment for area gambling in the Monticello area. That's one of the reasons that Monticello ended up with a nearby airport and Lock Sheldrake got the college. Oh, and by the way, it's ironic that the college was initially based on the needs of the area hotels. The premier course work was 'Hotel Technology'. I say ironic because I believe there is only 1 or 2 remaining hotels in Sullivan County.
 
I worked summers at several of the hotels throughout high school and college. I once heard that most of them had large ballrooms built becasue they were going to get gambling approved in the 50's. That's one of the reasons they'll tell you they folded.

Keith
 
Keith,

I too worked many of the hotels, They folded because times changed. If you saw the movie, Dirty Dancing, the owner of the hotel tells the bandleader why the hotels are dying. I think the actors name is ...... Wessen. Many of them not only folded but had destructive fires that seemed to coincide with the week following Labor Day. At the high point there were over 65 hotels in Sullivan County.
 
Obviously you guys are interchanging the word hotel for resort. Or else you just consider anything other than a resort a "Motel." LOL. Doesn't really matter much, but i heard all about this Bethal thing on the radio this morning. Jeeze what a way to get some money into the county. Although a nice performing arts center will be cool, other than the incresed traffic. Ritter speaks of Tanglewood above and it brought back a lot of memories. I worked Tanglewood quite a few times. It's a beautiful place, and maybe the site here in Bethal will be just as nice. I told my wife when we bought the house that things were going to change a LOT! Well, we can always sell and double/triple our money. mark.....
 
Mark,

The reference I made to 'hotels' was exactly that. They were so named and listed in the phone book as such. Not trying to play semantics. Obviously some were small, some a little larger and some like the Concord, Grossingers, Browns, Kutshers, Pines were a lot bigger. By the way, there were plenty of bungalow colonies too. Sad to say, most of those no longer exist either.

Allan
 
Ok Allan, np. You were here, you seent it. I just can't believe, "there's only 1. or 2. remaining hotels left in the county." How can that be? If so, we got one of 'em right here in Roscoe. LMAO. mark............i know, i know..........now you'll say that's a B&B & Motel.........jeeze........
 
You're both right, they're "Resort Hotels" or at least that how I knew them. Most of them are still there, physically. Only a few are still running and making a profit, like the Villa Roma in Jeffersonville. Not sure if they ever catered to fly fisherman though. The Paramount in Parksville used to market to hunters, I know because I've had to kick more than one off the family property before a fire (I think you may be on to something Allen :) ) closed teh doors a few years back.

Keith
 
Keith, that's 1. of the ones i was thinking of as still in operation. Or at least i know there's still a hotel in Parksville, up the road from the gas station. mark
 
Mark, RW here

Speakin of hotels:

Anymore word on the future of the "Antrim". Man, I"d sure like to stay in that place for a few days "if" it ever opens again. Lot of ghosts roaming around in those halls..famous ghosts, and alot of em are fly fishers. I'd like to meet some of em some night....lol

Later, RW
 
RW, they are working on it constantly. But i'll tell you what, they are practically gutting it to get the work done. I highly doubt any ghost will still be in there, LOL. Actually i'd say the ARE gutting it. Still, it's gonna be cool having another good place to stay in town. We're gonna need it, trust me, he he he. BTW, can i count on you for the Clearwater Juntion, (tying event)? I need a committment NOW! Or asap, because i need to be organized ASAP! Think at least one three hour shift, (9:00 to noon, or 1:00 to 4:00 p.m.) one or both days, Fri. and Sat. June 3rd and or 4th, 2005 at the Rockland House. Yes, during the Fish-In/Gathering. Hell, you'll have your tying stuff anyway. Am i right? You can do all four shifts if you like, he he he. Tkx. mark.......if you snooze, you loose.

Keith, didn't know that. Thx, mark........
 
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