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WBDluver

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Ok, so i have this 8wt 11.5 ft switch rod. I am so confused as to what line to put on it. Is there any publication, cd, etc that explains in plain engilish how to go about what type of line to put on it? There is Scandi, Skagit, MOW etc. From what im reading it seems like i should spend about $500 in different lines and systems to find what works best on any paticular rod.
 
Ok, so i have this 8wt 11.5 ft switch rod. I am so confused as to what line to put on it. Is there any publication, cd, etc that explains in plain engilish how to go about what type of line to put on it? There is Scandi, Skagit, MOW etc. From what im reading it seems like i should spend about $500 in different lines and systems to find what works best on any paticular rod.


Let me help you. Which switch rod do you have? Normally fly line makers like rio will match their lines to specific models of rods. This males it idiot proof for folks such as yourself. Then you need to determine what type of fishing you wish to do. This can also serve to clarify the best line. I will further share with you that a friend in the industry has had great success with a Scandi short line when fishing switch rods. This rio line comes with everything you need and covers a number of different fishing situations. At the end of the day it's highly unlikely you will catch anything so don't hurt your brain trying to figure it out. Leave this type of fishing for the adults and you can keep catching sunnies at the pond.

You are welcome
 
I've been working on this for a year or so as well, and I couldn't find a single good resource...here's what I think I've got down (still learning):

The line(s) you want depend mostly on what you want at the end of them.

Your first question should be, is this a dedicated swinging line? If yes, is it for high water, or low water. High/fast -> Skagit (this includes big or heavy flies), Low/Slow -> Scandi (also for swinging high in the water column with light/small flies).

If No, then it gets tougher. The hardest combo is wanting to nymph with an indicator but also swing flies deep in high water. Skagit heads aren't great for nymphing, and it isn't just that you can't mend well beyond the head...they also don't drift as well as thinner lines. You can get multiple heads and switch them out (Skagit for swinging, a Scandi for nymphing), or go with a "switch" style line, like the switch chucker. On a 7wt the SC line can cast level T-11 (this is MUCH different from casting an "equivalent" sink rate polyleader, which will have a heavy butt section, but the tip will sink much more slowly than a MOW tip, which does so uniformly), and also works acceptably well for nymphing. It isn't perfect for either, but it works for both, especially on the GL tribs where you are unlikely to be making really long casts even when swinging.

Last, but not least, if you think you will only be swinging...definitely ask yourself if you mind not catching fish on a trip. At all. I've spent the last several months mostly swinging (first on the D, more recently on the SR). For days where I solely swung flies, 1-3 fish seemed a normal day on the D, I got one follow from a steelhead in 2 trips to the SR swinging only. In comparison, I hooked 2 fish nymphing with egg patterns on the SR in one morning. I'm not the greatest steelheader using any method (though still working on it!), but swinging is definitely not a numbers method from my experience. On the other hand, the take is addicting.
 
Here might be a good breakdown for you (from Rio's site so it suggest their products):

Spey fishing almost exclusively with heavy sink tips and large flies – Skagit Max Short
Fishing indicator rigs with nymph/egg patterns at distance– Switch line
Fishing indicators rigs and sink tips, and just being “easy” – Switch Chucker
Everything else Spey – Scandi Short, or Scandi Short VersiTip
Overhead casting in the surf or on a lake for maximum distance – OutBound Short

I use Rio's Salmon/Steelhead, a line marketed by Rio as a WF specialty line that works perfectly for nymphing with a switch rod. I uplined my Z Axis by 1 line weight, as suggested to do so with this line.
 
Ok, so i have this 8wt 11.5 ft switch rod. I am so confused as to what line to put on it. Is there any publication, cd, etc that explains in plain engilish how to go about what type of line to put on it? There is Scandi, Skagit, MOW etc. From what im reading it seems like i should spend about $500 in different lines and systems to find what works best on any paticular rod.

Ask an expert. Take your rod and reel to Tight Lines Fly Fishing in Parsippany and have Andrew go over everything with you. Case closed.
 
I've been working on this for a year or so as well, and I couldn't find a single good resource...here's what I think I've got down (still learning):

The line(s) you want depend mostly on what you want at the end of them.

Your first question should be, is this a dedicated swinging line? If yes, is it for high water, or low water. High/fast -> Skagit (this includes big or heavy flies), Low/Slow -> Scandi (also for swinging high in the water column with light/small flies).

If No, then it gets tougher. The hardest combo is wanting to nymph with an indicator but also swing flies deep in high water. Skagit heads aren't great for nymphing, and it isn't just that you can't mend well beyond the head...they also don't drift as well as thinner lines. You can get multiple heads and switch them out (Skagit for swinging, a Scandi for nymphing), or go with a "switch" style line, like the switch chucker. On a 7wt the SC line can cast level T-11 (this is MUCH different from casting an "equivalent" sink rate polyleader, which will have a heavy butt section, but the tip will sink much more slowly than a MOW tip, which does so uniformly), and also works acceptably well for nymphing. It isn't perfect for either, but it works for both, especially on the GL tribs where you are unlikely to be making really long casts even when swinging.

Last, but not least, if you think you will only be swinging...definitely ask yourself if you mind not catching fish on a trip. At all. I've spent the last several months mostly swinging (first on the D, more recently on the SR). For days where I solely swung flies, 1-3 fish seemed a normal day on the D, I got one follow from a steelhead in 2 trips to the SR swinging only. In comparison, I hooked 2 fish nymphing with egg patterns on the SR in one morning. I'm not the greatest steelheader using any method (though still working on it!), but swinging is definitely not a numbers method from my experience. On the other hand, the take is addicting.

No wonder people resort to snagging:)
 
The most versitile line out in my opinion is the Airflow Rage head. However without knowing what rod you have no one can really tell you what weight you need.
 
The most versitile line out in my opinion is the Airflow Rage head. However without knowing what rod you have no one can really tell you what weight you need.

I like my Airflo 420gr Skagit Switch with 10ft of T10 to throw and swing large articulated streamers with lead eyes. The rod is a Beulah 10/5 Platinum switch. Andrew at Tight Lines did quite a bit of experimentation for me to come up with a system that would handle the flies I wanted to use.
 
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Wow 420 seems like a lot of weight for a 5wt to throw unless you are over head casting.. I run 420 Grain Rage head on my Thomas and Thomas 12 foot 6wt. I guess the great thing about two handed rods is how versatile they are.
 
Ok, so i have this 8wt 11.5 ft switch rod. I am so confused as to what line to put on it. Is there any publication, cd, etc that explains in plain engilish how to go about what type of line to put on it? There is Scandi, Skagit, MOW etc. From what im reading it seems like i should spend about $500 in different lines and systems to find what works best on any paticular rod.

I run a 500 gr with my 11 ft 8 weight and its FUCKING MONEY.
 
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Wow 420 seems like a lot of weight for a 5wt to throw unless you are over head casting.. I run 420 Grain Rage head on my Thomas and Thomas 12 foot 6wt. I guess the great thing about two handed rods is how versatile they are.

That's what Andrew came up with and it works for my application. We tried lower grain heads and they wouldn't Skagit cast the lead eyed 6" articulated streamers that I'm using. The rod has no problem handling that grain weight.
 
1. sink tips (MOW tips or custom cut T) + ability to cast larger & weighted flies + switch rod = airflo skagit switch head
^pay attention to your sink tip + leader length here. too short and youll pull your anchor

2. poly/versi leaders (which are essentially tapered sink tips) and lighter flies/delicate presentations = scandi compact head

3. bombing indicators and mending from a mile away = one piece switch line (i like Rio)

the rage heads are essentially a scandi/skagit hybrid..ive heard good things but i like throwing huge bugs + sinks in high water so i'll never give up my skagit.

feel free to PM me if you need help. spey lines can be super confusing in the beginning
 
I would like to thank all that responded with the exception of the boob with the Avatar of him standing out in front of the Gay club on military night.

For the ones that wanted to know what rod i have it is an Echo Sr 81010
 
I would like to thank all that responded with the exception of the boob with the Avatar of him standing out in front of the Gay club on military night.

For the ones that wanted to know what rod i have it is an Echo Sr 81010

Thanks for explaining your avatar. It was confusing to say the least
 
There deer were safe in NY this weekend. I am lke a forest ninja. They never know im there until its too late.
 
do you know any.places that sell.venison steak?

i dont hunt and am opposed to hunting.

But i love venison steak.

You cannot sell wild game. If i get one i will be sure to save you a steak. Dont worry sissy boy, I will do your killiing for you and sooth your conscience
 
You cannot sell wild game. If i get one i will be sure to save you a steak. Dont worry sissy boy, I will do your killiing for you and sooth your conscience

I have no problem at all with hunting. I have issues with commercial fishing, and depleting that resource...

But no problem at all with hunting for deer in the northeast.

And I really would like a venison steak.
 
I have issues with Jews who think their entitled...


I have no problem at all with hunting. I have issues with commercial fishing, and depleting that resource...

But no problem at all with hunting for deer in the northeast.

And I really would like a venison steak.
 
this is my problem. 5 different types of lines for one rod. I also have reading comprehension problems.

Your rod has a grain window. This is the window for lines that are best suited for your rod. Some people like a heavier line and some people like a lighter line for their rod. It all has to do with your casting stroke and what kind of flies you want to chuck. I prefer a heavier skagit line for my spey rods so I can throw big articulated flies that a scandi line will not be able to move.

Just stick to single hand rods you boob. Switch rods are for confused teenagers. Real men buy an actual spey rod.
 
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