Scam "KEN TUTALO" Baxter House, Roscoe NY

[AKSkim]

The Diceman's grammar isn't great but it appears to me that he wasn't expecting to recieve a check yesterday. He posted the thread before receiving the check. Looks like that one simple fact was lost on someone here on NEFF.

Diceman, did you leave a deposit on the boat or did you he cash a check for the full amount of the agreed upon price?

He was asked the same question over on Salmon Crazy and his response was that he handed over a check for the FULL AMOUNT agreed upon for the drift boat.

Now I don't know what that amount was for, but seeing what used drift boats go for I would venture a guess and say it was in the $1,000's

If you read his posts, I think anyone can read into it just a bit of panic, and very understandably.

I can fully understand him wanting to receive his money back. After all it was his money. and he wanted the boat...


Looks like diceman and I were responding at the same time

 

[AKSkim]

I did read what you wrote. you didn't read what I wrote.
Hllywd.

That seems to be a common thread with Kevin here.

Doesn't matter if it is in person or a post here on NEFF, no matter what
or to whom he speaks to.. nobody seems to cares what he thinks.

DISCOUNT KEVIN !

 

[diceman]

i paid in full on 2/1/2010 that same day he went and cashed the check when i was writing the post the mailman came with a check from the baxterhouse account i did not know the check was on its way and the bottom line is i wanted the boat not the money back everyone seems to be missing the point here (bought a drift boat) not a return of money and i truly feel the money was only returned because of all the heat he brought upon himself????

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[Stonefly]

The point is Brian bought and paid for a boat in full with a handshake, a check and a gentlemen's agreement. So the boat is his. Then Ken pulls a lowlife move and just decides, after he cashes the check and finds someone else who is willing to pay more money for it, not to go through with the deal. When I pay for something that means I want it. This guy Ken has no integrity and his word means nothing. Stay clear!

in NYS either party of a transaction has three days to cancel when and if there is a contract...in this case there is no contract, and the deposit was returned and in the mail before the gent even started this tread. I've know Ken for over 12 years. He is an honest hard working man. I know nothing of Diceman at all so way would I even consider taking his side.

 

[Stonefly]

i paid in full on 2/1/2010 that same day he went and cashed the check when i was writing the post the mailman came with a check from the baxterhouse account i did not know the check was on its way and the bottom line is i wanted the boat not the money back everyone seems to be missing the point here (bought a drift boat) not a return of money and i truly feel the money was only returned because of all the heat he brought upon himself????

What heat? the check was in the mail before the post by you on this board at least.

 

[MR.MCR]

Ken spoke at an RRTU meeting about one year ago and did a fine job, we had absolutely no problems with him and we would recommend him as a speaker.

 

[dcabarle]

in NYS either party of a transaction has three days to cancel when and if there is a contract...in this case there is no contract, and the deposit was returned and in the mail before the gent even started this tread.

Seriously? So let me get this right... How would you feel after driving 5hrs for something that was promissed to you. You hand over a check (IN PERSON), the check is CASHED (which would lead me to believe that the party cashing the check has agreed to the handshake deal), but then a sudden change of plans... you find that the person decides to back out. Don't you think this diceman guy has a right to be a bit pissed off? Don't you believe in a handshake deal?

I'll add that it's very possible that this guy was trying to nickel and dime Ken and Ken eventually got sick of it. If this was the case, maybe it was a blessing in disguise for both party's.

I've know Ken for over 12 years. He is an honest hard working man. I know nothing of Diceman at all so way would I even consider taking his side.

Honest? Let me ask you something... You find a drift boat floating around somewhere, what would you do with? Be honest. How long would it take before you contacted the state police or maybe a local guide shop or two, asking if someone had lost a boat? I would have been on the phone the very next morning letting people know that I've tied it to a tree along with where the tree was located. I would not have taken it home and put it in my backyard, that's for sure. Not only that, he didn't let a soul know he had it (well, except for his friend who lives over at Hale Eddy). He had my boat in his possession for just about an entire week and didn't tell a soul. Does that sound like an honest person to you? Go ahead, make excuses for him...

What heat? the check was in the mail before the post by you on this board at least.

Did it occur to you that diceman may not have known that Ken put the check in the mail. How about using some thought with your replies?

Ken spoke at an RRTU meeting about one year ago and did a fine job, we had absolutely no problems with him and we would recommend him as a speaker.

Nobody is questioning Kens ability to speak. Bill Clinton was a great speaker, and so is Obama. I'm sure plenty of people would recommend either Clinton or Obama to speak at an event.

Nobody is questioning Kens knowledge. Nobody is questioning Kens ability to work hard. I'm sure he's a very hard worker.

What is being questioned here is Kens honesty and integrity.

How many of you have been married then divorced after x years of marriage? You thought you knew someone so well then you find she's on the other side of town with another guy. Please don't tell me you know Ken for 12 years if you don't really KNOW him. If you're not sleeping with him or eating at his dinner table a few times a week, you don't squat about him.

 

[leakywaders]

. Please don't tell me you know Ken for 12 years if you don't really KNOW him. If you're not sleeping with him or eating at his dinner table a few times a week, you don't squat about him.

That same advise should go for all those who are trying to slander a man and his livelyhood! it's very easy for people to slam somebody by name when they hide behind a blog name in anonimity. I know of Ken, but wouldn't say I know him. He was very helpful to me last June when I needed some help getting off the river after dark. He was very gracious in coming to my aide.
Just my opinion
David King, Wantage NJ

 

[Delaware Drifter]

Earlier I posted to this thread in an effort to point out that there were 2 sides to every story and that perhaps Mr. Eastmans version was not quite accurate. I wrote my earlier post in a way that was not insulting to anyone and strait to the facts. Despite my attempt to slow everyone’s entertainment on this site, it continues. Even today long after the fact Mr. Eastman continues to post here in an effort to continue to do harm to me.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>
For those of you who seem to have the need to follow and participate in the bashing I offer you the following. First honest people buy and sell things every day and sometimes deals fall through. My deal did exactly that. Both Mr. Eastman and I could trade stories here forever and nobody would know what really happened, we were alone when we spoke.<o></o>
What I can tell you however is that my dealings with Mr. Eastman were done in a professional manner and concluded prior to him starting his slander campaign against me. <o></o>
Anyone who wants can track and confirm the check that was sent back to him and see that it pre dates his first posts on every site. This can be done at USPS.Com – Track and confirm #2306 1570 0000 1841 5236.<o></o>
Mr. Eastman warned me that he would use these forums to hurt my business if I did not give him what he wanted. He has been very diligent in that regard. <o></o>
I hope that Mr. Eastman realizes now that I will not be pressured, coerced or extorted into making a deal that I am uncomfortable with out of fear of public embarrassment.<o></o>
I would also like to clear up one additional point on this matter. Mr. Eastman’s story about his 5 hour drive to look at a drift boat is pure fiction. Mr. Eastman had no appointment with me. He just showed up at the shop not even aware that I had a boat for sale. Mr. Eastman told me he was in the area looking at trailers and campgrounds for the upcoming season. I believe he said he struck a deal to be at Peaceful Valley this season.<o></o>
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Ken Tutalo<o></o>
Baxter House River Outfitters<o></o>
607-290-4022<o></o>

 

[diceman]

Earlier I posted to this thread in an effort to point out that there were 2 sides to every story and that perhaps Mr. Eastmans version was not quite accurate. I wrote my earlier post in a way that was not insulting to anyone and strait to the facts. Despite my attempt to slow everyone’s entertainment on this site, it continues. Even today long after the fact Mr. Eastman continues to post here in an effort to continue to do harm to me.fficeffice" /><O></O>
For those of you who seem to have the need to follow and participate in the bashing I offer you the following. First honest people buy and sell things every day and sometimes deals fall through. My deal did exactly that. Both Mr. Eastman and I could trade stories here forever and nobody would know what really happened, we were alone when we spoke.<O></O>
What I can tell you however is that my dealings with Mr. Eastman were done in a professional manner and concluded prior to him starting his slander campaign against me. <O></O>
Anyone who wants can track and confirm the check that was sent back to him and see that it pre dates his first posts on every site. This can be done at USPS.Com – Track and confirm #2306 1570 0000 1841 5236.<O></O>
Mr. Eastman warned me that he would use these forums to hurt my business if I did not give him what he wanted. He has been very diligent in that regard. <O></O>
I hope that Mr. Eastman realizes now that I will not be pressured, coerced or extorted into making a deal that I am uncomfortable with out of fear of public embarrassment.<O></O>
I would also like to clear up one additional point on this matter. Mr. Eastman’s story about his 5 hour drive to look at a drift boat is pure fiction. Mr. Eastman had no appointment with me. He just showed up at the shop not even aware that I had a boat for sale. Mr. Eastman told me he was in the area looking at trailers and campgrounds for the upcoming season. I believe he said he struck a deal to be at Peaceful Valley this season.<O></O>
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Ken Tutalo<O></O>
Baxter House River Outfitters<O></O>
607-290-4022<O></O>

hay ken i stated it's a 5 hour round trip if that really matters u are missing the point once again lets face it this the 2nd time u seem to be missleading when it comes to driftboats? i can't speek for the first one but i can for the one i paid for in full brian eastman jr

 

[dcabarle]

Earlier I posted to this thread in an effort to point out that there were 2 sides to every story and that perhaps Mr. Eastmans version was not quite accurate. I wrote my earlier post in a way that was not insulting to anyone and strait to the facts. Despite my attempt to slow everyone’s entertainment on this site, it continues.

Unfortunately, the entire purpose of all websites is to entertain. I will say however that I agree with you (2 sides to every story) and I'm happy you've come on and enlightend us as to the other items mr. diceman left out.

For those of you who seem to have the need to follow and participate in the bashing I offer you the following. First honest people buy and sell things every day and sometimes deals fall through. My deal did exactly that. Both Mr. Eastman and I could trade stories here forever and nobody would know what really happened, we were alone when we spoke.<O</O

What I can tell you however is that my dealings with Mr. Eastman were done in a professional manner and concluded prior to him starting his slander campaign against me.

Again... Only the two of you know what happened. I'm thinking there was a language barrier or diceman is just dumb as a rock. Perhaps there was some confussion.

Anyone who wants can track and confirm the check that was sent back to him and see that it pre dates his first posts on every site. This can be done at USPS.Com – Track and confirm #2306 1570 0000 1841 5236.<O></O>

I don't think anyone doubts when you sent out your check. It does seam a bit fishy however that he would have handed you a check and you would have cashed it then decided to change your mind.

I don't think you and I (Ken) know each other from a whole in the wall. I have to say that with the incident with my boat, I didn't think you were very honest about it. I still don't think you did the right thing.

Through-out this thread, you've been very calm, cool, collective. Very tactful. I feel your story is starting to hold up a bit more (in my eyes at least) than the Dicemans.

 

[dcabarle]

hay ken i stated it's a 5 hour round trip if that really matters u are missing the point once again lets face it this the 2nd time u seem to be missleading when it comes to driftboats? i can't speek for the first one but i can for the one i paid for in full brian eastman jr

What was the reason he gave as to backing out of the deal?

 

[diceman]

ken once again u twist the story it,s seems to me that before i even meet u you seemed to have problems with the other driftboats and people on this site im new to area so all is new to me so i guess that man DC is making up that story also can u explain how that boat ended up on your property can't wait to here this story u should get get a new job call STORYTAILS by ken

 

[patgiacomo]

Once again, Mr. Back-stabbing house, you're trying to deflect the issues. Mr Diceman already acknowledged that he got the check back. THAT'S NOT THE POINT. The point is you did not uphold your end of the contract. When you cashed the check there was a contract in place. Mr. Diceman entered into the contract to purchase a boat, not to get his money back. That is the essence of the dispute.

Once again I'll say, there were two drift boat problems and you are the only common denominator.

All of the rhetoric Ken spews about Mr. D not making a trip, and tracking the check, have nothing to do with the issue at hand. I was told that Mr. D. had to stop and take a dump, does that have anything to do with the check you cashed and the boat he didn't get?

The bottom line is it comes down to business ethics, relationships and integrity.

 

[Kilgour Farms]

You are right, very entertaining.

 

[the river fox]

Man "o" Man........ If someone hands me a check, I put it in the bank... it clears......That is what everyone on this site would do....Guys are making it like Ken did somthing evil by putting a check in the bank...dice got his money back right away....what is the problem?? It sounds to me that this dice guy is in the wrong on this one.... AS IS condition means just that.....AS IS>>> not fix the trailer, give me new seats, etc.. AS IS.... As far as how far he drove to see the boat, that is his problem...Not the seller...The boat was in Rosco, thats that. Regardless of his past I feel Ken is being beat up unfairly on this issue.......

 

[diceman]

Man "o" Man........ If someone hands me a check, I put it in the bank... it clears......That is what everyone on this site would do....Guys are making it like Ken did somthing evil by putting a check in the bank...dice got his money back right away....what is the problem?? It sounds to me that this dice guy is in the wrong on this one.... AS IS condition means just that.....AS IS>>> not fix the trailer, give me new seats, etc.. AS IS.... As far as how far he drove to see the boat, that is his problem...Not the seller...The boat was in Rosco, thats that. Regardless of his past I feel Ken is being beat up unfairly on this issue.......

hay man o man i'll tell u what i was paying a extra 100.00 for wiring and bearings which he agreed do have fix by local guy don't fix anything and let me know when i can come up to pickup boat and trailer

 

[the river fox]

I have the answer to this whole mess.... I was watching an old Mel Gibson movie last night and it was clear to me how to fix this......THUNDER DOME......2 men enter one man leaves......... " bust a deal face the wheel"....... It just so happens I have a fully stocked Thunder Dome in my back yard. For a small rental fee I would be happy to host the event... parking is extra, and no outside food or drink...

 

[diceman]

I have the answer to this whole mess.... I was watching an old Mel Gibson movie last night and it was clear to me how to fix this......THUNDER DOME......2 men enter one man leaves......... " bust a deal face the wheel"....... It just so happens I have a fully stocked Thunder Dome in my back yard. For a small rental fee I would be happy to host the event... parking is extra, and no outside food or drink...

dude that's a good one set it up

 

[patgiacomo]

dude that's a good one set it up

Remember no tazer allowed

 

[the river fox]

My dome is stocked with only man powered weapons, there is one chain saw, a mounted spear gun, various edged weapons and some very nasty farming tools....Nothing electronic at all......What kind of dome do you think I'm running here.....

 

[gadfly]

Once again, Mr. Back-stabbing house, you're trying to deflect the issues. Mr Diceman already acknowledged that he got the check back. THAT'S NOT THE POINT. The point is you did not uphold your end of the contract. When you cashed the check there was a contract in place. Mr. Diceman entered into the contract to purchase a boat, not to get his money back. That is the essence of the dispute.

Once again I'll say, there were two drift boat problems and you are the only common denominator.

All of the rhetoric Ken spews about Mr. D not making a trip, and tracking the check, have nothing to do with the issue at hand. I was told that Mr. D. had to stop and take a dump, does that have anything to do with the check you cashed and the boat he didn't get?

The bottom line is it comes down to business ethics, relationships and integrity.

Boy, oh boy, a smart man would know better than to step into the middle of this, but I've rarely been accused of that so here goes.

Mr. Giacomo is correct about the real nature of the dispute: that there was a verbal contract (which can be legally binding) and the proof of that contract was Mr. Tutalo's cashing the check. However, Mr. Tutalo already told us in his first post that Mr. Eastman was making additional requests on the phone.

If that is accurate, than perhaps their agreement did not include all of the particulars of the deal such as accessories, repairs, etc and therefore was not a true "meeting of the minds", a basic requirement for a verbal contract. Or perhaps, Mr. Eastman was insisting on changing the verbal contract, in which case I think Mr. Tutalo may have been justified canceling the deal. It is hard to know the truth here, but there are many possible scenarios in which Mr. Tutalo would have done nothing wrong.

On the other hand, I think that several of the posters here, as well as our host, should be concerned about being sued for slander, particularly since your expressed intent is interfering with the man's business.
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[Pete]

As I understand it libel/slander requires a statement that isn't true. I believe both parties have been telling the truth as they see it.

I don't know if Mr Tutalo could be considered a "public figure" but, based on announcements on various TU chapter websites, he appears to be embarking on a "speaking tour".

Both sides appear to be exaggerating:

In the light of the refund, the word "scam" may have been premature.
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Two topics on two message boards hardly qualifies as "...flooded every fishing forum that he could find..."

BTW: Mr T and his defenders should be aware that every time they post, they bring this thread back "to the top" in the search engines. If the post generates a rebuttal, that brings it up again.
The last time I looked the most recent post on "Salmoncrazy" was late yesterday afternoon. That topic is no longer near the "top" at Google. This one is....

 

[gadfly]

Pete. There have been several posts that literally call Ken a thief. I would say that is grounds for slander unless it can be proven. Maybe I'm wrong.

Also, the google ranking, as I understand it, has less to do with the number of replies here and more to do with the search words and tags that have been attached to this thread. Obviously, the someone wants this to be among google's top results for searches for Mr. Tutalo and his business.
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[LyNcH]

On the other hand, I think that several of the posters here, as well as our host, should be concerned about being sued for slander, particularly since your expressed intent is interfering with the man's business.

So here I am, drinking my Pepsi, thinking I have to start getting ready to go the the SuperBowl Party, and I about sprayed all over my monitor!!! Based on the serious nature of this post, I don't think humor is appropriate.

 

[JOE.T]

You are right, very entertaining.

Hey Man Nice Deer!

 

[Ryan R]

hay man o man i'll tell u what i was paying a extra 100.00 for wiring and bearings which he agreed do have fix by local guy don't fix anything and let me know when i can come up to pickup boat and trailer

I don't know man, you might want quit whining about it now and strongly consider spending that $1,000 on some damn lessons in writing/typing a legible sentence. :thumb:

 

[McRiffle]

It's curious how the mention of slander can shut a thread right down.

 

[dcabarle]

It's curious how the mention of slander can shut a thread right down.

I think you're confusing curiosity with coincidence. What else is there really to say that hasn't already been said? You can always let us know your opinion, nothing is stopping you.

 

[McRiffle]

Coincidence? Really? You don't actually believe that do you?