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One for Moosekid

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Finally got around to taking the kayak down from the rafters for my first trip for pikes last evening. Temperature was pleasant with little wind and the sky was still a bit overcast. Water levels are a bit low and the turbidity was rather high with a subsurface visibility of probably less than two feet.

In the Big Fat Gnarly Swap I received an extra ditty pike streamer tied by Mooseladdy. My goal last evening was to test out that fly and see if I could take a toothy critter on that creation.
Fishing was a little slow but I did manage to roll two fish and land one on this offering. The fish was not a giant, but a respectable 33-34" that gave a nice jump and a couple of drag taking runs.

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Some observations I can make on this fly are as follows.
The fly lost material after the first fish, which would indicate to me that the materials were not secured as well as they should have been. On pike flies the materials need to be tightly wrapped along with the use of plenty of Zap-a-gap on each wrapped section.
This particular fly was not neutrally buoyant, but rather nose heavy. It did not lend itself to a strip and pause retrieve, as it would not side kick at the pause but would sink nose first more like a jig.
It did however work very nicely with a tip down, double hand retrieve. The trailing flashabou had some good movement when retrieved in this method. By the way, this is the retrieve that brought on the three strikes.
One last point I would like to make for Moose when tying these. When tying in that tailing flash, do not have the tail cut square. Before tying in the material, tease out some of the fibers to make the tail uneven, this will create a better profile and will keep the material from matting together. I took a scissor to this fly to taper the tail as can be seen in the following photo.
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It's a good looking and working fly if used properly and could be better with a few tweaks.

Thanks for the fly Moose, the pikes seem to like it too.
 
AKA don't participate in swaps with moosey.


Kidding - nice lookin fish and cool of you to product test and provide feedback on it.
 
Yea, he did have more excuses than a 5th grader.

The reason I critiqued his fly was because he said he was headed back home this summer to fish for pikes. I just wanted to give him some feedback before he tied anything for his trip.

On last criticism would be that he used craft fur like a zonker strip. Bad idea because I had a mother f'r of a time getting the fly out of the fish. The backing on the craft fur is like one half of a Velcro strip with the teeth on the fish. He would do better to either use a natural zonker strip or just tie in long natural hair (which I prefer to keep the fly light when wet).

Moose, are you gettin' this laddie?
 
Rusty told me flyfishing for Pike are for people who cant fly fish for trout? Not wanting to make trouble i am just interested if he is correct? Is so, that is ok we still love and accept you anyway. :devious:
 
Rusty told me flyfishing for Pike are for people who cant fly fish for trout?

No. People that don't fly fish for pikes are just pussies that are afraid of getting their hands bloodied up. So if A=B, and B=C, then A=C=Rusty must be a pussy.:looser:

Besides I do pretty ok in the trout department, be it above or below the water line.:thumb:
 
No. People that don't fly fish for pikes are just pussies that are afraid of getting their hands bloodied up. So if A=B, and B=C, then A=C=Rusty must be a pussy.:looser:

Besides I do pretty ok in the trout department, be it above or below the water line.:thumb:

I fished for pikes when I was a kid. Then I grew up and became a man. Not it's 100% dry fly for huge, wild trout or die.


And I agree on using real rabbit zonker strips. Pikes have big teeth. Best they not get intertwined in your flies. :crap:
 
I fished for pikes when I was a kid. Then I grew up and became a man. Not it's 100% dry fly for huge, wild trout or die.


And I agree on using real rabbit zonker strips. Pikes have big teeth. Best they not get intertwined in your flies. :crap:


I took the snobbery to a new level this weekend and did the 100% dry fly for huge wild trout on BAMBOO. Finally learned how to cast this damn thing and will admit the feel of the fish in the butt of the rod is very cool. I was also impressed with how well bamboo protects tippet. You can set the hook pretty hard even on 6x.
 
I took the snobbery to a new level this weekend and did the 100% dry fly for huge wild trout on BAMBOO. Finally learned how to cast this damn thing and will admit the feel of the fish in the butt of the rod is very cool. I was also impressed with how well bamboo protects tippet. You can set the hook pretty hard even on 6x.

Next time lose the Buff and wear some tweed, will you?
 
So what you're saying is that both of my flies caught fish?????:):):)

It wasn't craft fur, it was a Magnum Bunny Strip. The magnums are what the fish is imagining when her eyes are closed, and your puny little fly is in her mouth :).

I only used the magnums for the olive strip that rests along the top. The barred orange stuff is cross-cut and has the thinner backing. Still a good tip though, and I'll keep it in mind.

I actually just got back from Minnesota, but I only spent an afternoon Pike fishing and I used mice exclusively (and only caught dink bass).

I flew back for a hex hatch on a particular river that is actually more of a swamp. Hit it just right, put up big numbers and got one pretty large trout (for that particular river).... I'll post some pics for all seven of you.
 
It wasn't craft fur, it was a Magnum Bunny Strip.

Well you either been smokin' too much reefer in that tipi or you don't know what the hell you are using when you tie. I'll bet you a six pack that the fly I have that was marked tied by you is tied with craft fur strips and not rabbit. If the picture in my post was tied by you then I'm betting that it's too much reefer when you tied that fly.

And jesus, you gotta' bring sex porn into every thread.

Glad you had a good trip. Any pics?
 
Well you either been smokin' too much reefer in that tipi or you don't know what the hell you are using when you tie. I'll bet you a six pack that the fly I have that was marked tied by you is tied with craft fur strips and not rabbit. If the picture in my post was tied by you then I'm betting that it's too much reefer when you tied that fly.

And jesus, you gotta' bring sex porn into every thread.

Glad you had a good trip. Any pics?

HA!

You owe me a six pack.

My buddy did a write-up here http://eddierivardflyfishing.blogspot.com/

I'll post something up at some point when it's not so busy at work.
 
Well I didn't want to have to embarrass you in front of your peeps, but I will be collecting my beer now from you.

Anyone else want to weigh in on Moose smoking crack in the tipi and not being able to tell the difference between craft fur and real hide strips?

I submit exhibit No. 1 to the jury. This is a photo of the underside of the strips that are attached to the fly I got from Moosedude. It is plain to see that it is synthetic backing material that the hair is attached to.

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So Moose, if in fact you did tie this fly, then I will be expecting that beer, along with a Triangle Taper Wulff fly line.
 
Well I didn't want to have to embarrass you in front of your peeps, but I will be collecting my beer now from you.

Anyone else want to weigh in on Moose smoking crack in the tipi and not being able to tell the difference between craft fur and real hide strips?

I submit exhibit No. 1 to the jury. This is a photo of the underside of the strips that are attached to the fly I got from Moosedude. It is plain to see that it is synthetic backing material that the hair is attached to.

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So Moose, if in fact you did tie this fly, then I will be expecting that beer, along with a Triangle Taper Wulff fly line.

Yes Moose, I believe you owe him a beer, AND you should pay him at the McD's I work at..then I can buy both of you a beer....That is definitely synthetic...look at the lines man!!!
 
Ahhh. Yeah I thought you were talking about the OTHER fly. The articulated olive guy that everyone got. Notice in my last post that I said the olive was magnum bunny....

...do you prefer Hamm's or Schmidt?
 
I told you drugs would kill brain cells. My first post had a picture of your fly so there shouldn't have been any confusion because that in no way looks like olive articulated. And besides I was talking about pike flies and pikes.

I'll have a six of Ballast Point Sculpin AND the Wulff Triangle Taper line. In a 5wt please.

Don't forget the trip pics.
 
No. People that don't fly fish for pikes are just pussies that are afraid of getting their hands bloodied up. So if A=B, and B=C, then A=C=Rusty must be a pussy.:looser:

Besides I do pretty ok in the trout department, be it above or below the water line.:thumb:

What about bait fishing for salmon? What kind of people are those?
 
1. It was a "bonus" fly (he didn't have to send it).
2. It was supposed to be a "Pike Fly".
3. You caught Pike with it.

So what do you do ? ..... Complain, bitch, moan, and argue !
:holy:
 
Pete, it's Moosekid. Of course I have to complain, bitch, moan and argue.

Actually it started because Moose said he was going home to pike fish this summer. I tried at the start of this post to point out a few things I've learned about tying pike flies and just wanted to pass along what I thought were some of the shortcomings of the fly he tied. This was so that if he was going to tie for his trip, I might be able to help him tie some better flies. The argument arose when Moose didn't look at the photo in the first post and thought I was talking about the other fly he sent in for the swap.

And since when do we not argue on this forum?! And I'm sure I'll be waiting for my beer as long as the winner of the Triangle Taper line has been waiting.
 
Pete, it's Moosekid. Of course I have to complain, bitch, moan and argue.

Actually it started because Moose said he was going home to pike fish this summer. I tried at the start of this post to point out a few things I've learned about tying pike flies and just wanted to pass along what I thought were some of the shortcomings of the fly he tied. This was so that if he was going to tie for his trip, I might be able to help him tie some better flies.
If it catches the intended quarry, it doesn't need to be "better". The qualities you bitched about may very well be the key to it's success.

The argument arose when Moose didn't look at the photo in the first post and thought I was talking about the other fly he sent in for the swap.
If the material got caught in the pike's teeth, this helped ensure successfully landing the fish.

You could also use this as the seed of an idea for the ultimate catch-and-release fly.... The "hookless" fly.

And since when do we not argue on this forum?!
That would be just before AK Skim, became the forum's "pet troll". Before that they merely debated, honest differences of opinion.
And I'm sure I'll be waiting for my beer as long as the winner of the Triangle Taper line has been waiting.
If he buys you a beer, you'll probably just complain about that too.

Considering all the Triangle Taper lines that have been promised and never delivered, I'm reaching the conclusion that the existence of the triangle taper is just another urban myth.
 
Okay so just seeing this...

Pete, i'll gladly take criticism from excellent tiers like beetle and finite.

I'll even take criticism from halfway decent physicists.

Hell, i'll even prescribe tomfly a series of magic school bus episodes so that he'll be qualified to give me shit.
 
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