Nets or no Nets

[frogge]

Hey,
I practice solely catch and release. Until this year the whole subject was moot since there was no catch. I've blundered into some success and am concerned to keep my hooking mortality to a minimum. I debarb all my hooks and try to minimize the time the fish is played.(As you can see from my previous notes, I'm often too good at that, releasing before the catch and donating the fly). I don't own a net and have seen articles by Fran Betters who advises not removing the fish from the water. I have to admit I have trouble corraling the slippery devils and am not certain I could get my fly out without holding onto the fish. Question is, do nets decrease the stress and injury, if so what is the best net to use( please keep in mind I'm not looking to spend $100 on a net. Thanks,Frogge.

 

[eddavidson9]

my understanding is smaller mesh is better, and definately wet the net before trying to get the fish in, both to reduce removal of the fish's "slime". other than that, it seems to me it's mostly a matter of preference, budget, and appropriate size.

 

[Corndog]

I picked up a catch and release (yes it's called that) net at Gander Mountain for around $25. The netting is very small and smooth. If you're using light tippet it's difficult to get the fly out of the fish's mouth without breaking the tippet, so I use the net. Plus, if you have to monkey around with the fish flipping and flopping in the water while trying to get the fly out, the chances of ruining the fly increases. There are alot of opinions on this subject, cause many dry fly fishermen don't carry nets, but I have found that I can catch and release fish much quicker with a net. Therefore, expending less of the fish's energy, which I think is a plus.

As for your question, "do nets decrease the stress and injury". I think that depends more on how you handle the fish once he's grabbed or netted. I never lift the net out of the water and only handle the fish to hold him level in the water until he swims freely from my hand.

If you buy a good net, it will probably last you the rest of your life. Don't take the cheap route. And be sure to get one of those nifty little net magnets.
Cdog

 

[Raven456]

I believe that the stress that is put upon a fish is best reduced by a speedy release, with or without a net is a preference. I also carry a catch and release net, although this works primarily with smaller fish. Catching larger fish on the West Branch of the Ausable this summer, this net was useless and I wish I had a larger rubber bag net. Fran Betters view that not removing the fish from the water is good advice but not always possible. Nets are pricy but I think that you get what you pay for. A rubber bag net will help reduce fish stress, as well as help prevent flies from being caught in the mesh and mutilating them. But it's all preference I guess.

 

[Pete]

I've seen people who would reach into the water with forceps, and remove the (barbless) hook without ever touching the fish. One of the best, I ever saw, was (believe it or not), a bait fisherman.

I you don't yet have the skill, dexterity, and confidence to release without grabbing the fish, a net may be the lesser of two evils.

See the good advise above about ways to minimize net damage.

 

[troutbum20]

i am trying to not handle the fish because you damage the slime. i am getting one of the knew Lippa tools. anybody use any of these?

 

[AKSkim]

I bought a trout net this past summer while in LL Bean. I guess you can call it an impulse buy. Never had one before.

A few years ago I forked over the twenty dollars for that little tool that you slide down the tippet till you made contact with the fly and unhooked it. Easier said than done considering you generally had a hot tomalley jumping on the other end as you steadied your hand, aligned the tool, all the while maintaining the balance of holding your rod. PHEW....

So I modified it and just used my fingers. Holding the rod tip aloft while getting the trout within reaching distance, I would latch onto my tippet, slide my hand down till I felt the hook and with a quick down and away motion, the little booger was set free.

Just have to remember after you have a good grip on the fly to lower your rod tip to take off the tension of the fly line and tippet. If you don't, after you remove the hook from the trout you will discover just how quickly you will hook your finger.

After a while I got to where I wouldn't even touch the slimey sob.

However, if the hook was deep set, then I would have to get a hold of it and use forceps to dislodge the fly.

Also, while doing the forceps routine, I learned if you turn the trout up side down in the palm of your hand... they just lay there without wiggling.

As always, learning there is a far better way to get things done.

AK Skim, PhD.
Los Alamos
Efficiency Expert

 

[rford]

I carry a net (fish friendly) almost 100 % of the time, as well C&R.

Why? Because I like to take pictures to appease my fish vanity.

However, if I did not feel the need to feed my ego with pictures, I would still carry a net.

Albeit that I do not nymph very often, the few times I do, I usually am using a weighted nymph or split shot or a multiple nymph set up. Unfortunately in this scenario the fish often times manage to wrap some tippet around there head, gills or lower jaw and sometimes have more than one of my nymphs hooks in them, some foul some fair. A net is very helpful in keeping the fish in the water while removing the hooks and limiting Hand contact on the fishes body slime.

In fact, in all but the perfect hook set a net is a huge help in reducing hand to fish slime contact.

Many times the net is also useful in providing a temporary holding pen while the fish revives itself. Many time I have let a fish go, only to see its head start sounding and its tail begin to rise, as it clearly is in shock and will simply float away if I dont grab it quick and try and perform some type of fishy CPR and once again the net is a great help.

Last but not least I found a net very useful this past summer when I took a full metal head dunking. I had been fixed and dilated on a rising fish for over an hour. I decided to succumb and move on. I did not realize my legs were frozen and both of my calves went into full muscle spasm the second I started to walk away. I was fully submerged for several seconds.
Most of my zippers on my vest were open as I had thrown almost every fly in the book at this trout.
When I finally got my composure, and stood up after crawling to the bank and doing a 360 look around to see how many folks had witnessed this embarrassing fall and was pleased to see I was alone in this stretch of river, the last thing I saw when coming full circle and looking downstream was a mini Spanish armada of all my morel floating boxes, my favorite hat and several other floating items from the bowels of my vest.

My net was a life saver as I ran downstream capturing all my recently liberated belongings.

Yes, I suggest always carrying a net!

Ralph

 

[dwing]

I bought one of the new "rubber bag" nets... no more snagged flies especially on dropper setups.

 

[Burtbords149]

Bringing back an old post here but I don't understand how flies don't get caught in these rubber bag nets, they look just like a standard net except that it's made of rubber. Any insight b/c I need to buy a new net soon.

 

[Corndog]

Don't they teach anything in high school anymore!!!

Rubber repels steel. So, the hook moves away from the net the same as like polls of a magnet.

Cdog

 

[Burtbords149]

That was my second guess, of course why didn't I think of that. Now I think I read that in the book titled "Fallacies of chemistry and physics"

 

[dwing]

My old net had the soft tight mesh bag, and because I use a lot of dropper setups the barb of the lose fly would sometimes snag the mesh all the way thru. It's a pain to get out especially at dusk with my eyesite. Yes, I could pinch the barbs... but, I choose not to.

 

[onemorecast]

I have a measure net and more of my flies end up de-barbed because they've gone and stuck my net! I'd rather debarb them than rip my net.

 

[eddavidson9]

Bringing back an old post here but I don't understand how flies don't get caught in these rubber bag nets, they look just like a standard net except that it's made of rubber. Any insight b/c I need to buy a new net soon.

The hook may "catch" the net bag in the bend of the hook, but it very rarely penetrates the rubber, whereas a fabric net is more often penetrated by the hook, and even if the hook-point doesn't penetrate the fabric mesh, the barb or any remnant there of is more likely to catch on a fabric bag than a rubberized one.

All this penetration talk is making me giddy.

 

[Burtbords149]

Thanks for the explanation Ed. It makes sense now. I think I'll look into getting one. Anybody find any cons against these rubber nets?

 

[NJDrew]

Thanks for the explanation Ed. It makes sense now. I think I'll look into getting one. Anybody find any cons against these rubber nets?

A traditional rubber bag is heavy. The newer bags (I think they are like a pvc composite) are much lighter and equally as tough. Im sure different manufacturers use different bags, but I know for sure Orvis, Brodin and Fisk (sp?) use the newer pvc bags.

 

[UlrichsM]

I was tired of trying to control/release trout without a net, or with the net I used which tangled my flies, etc. Both ways proved aggravating, so I purchased one of those brand new Fisknat landing nets--rubber netting, but designed much lighter than ordinary rubber netting (still not quite as light as traditional, but not bad). Hell, I thought, I've made some pretty poor fly fishing purchases before, and this one seemed like another bad investment. WRONG! I don't mean to be an advertisement here, but this net doesn't only shy away from tangling my fly, it allows for the fish to stay in the water and "relax" in the pouch of the net without the net actually touching it. I really can't believe how well it works. And I'm actually happy with a fly fishing purchase, which is fairly new of late. It's pricey, around 100 greenbacks, but like you others say, It should last forever, never injure you or a fish, and perhaps make you a little happier on the water. In that light, 100 is cheap...

 

[AKSkim]

A traditional rubber bag is heavy. The newer bags (I think they are like a pvc composite) are much lighter and equally as tough. Im sure different manufacturers use different bags, but I know for sure Orvis, Brodin and Fisk (sp?) use the newer pvc bags.

Drew:

How do you stay up on all of this stuff?

As always, happy to read when someone knows what their talking about.

AK Skim

 

[dwing]

Regarding the weight of the rubber nets... Fisknat & the others that are using the new lightweight rubber bags must have a special deal setup with the bag mfgr because I don't think you can just buy the replacement bag direct. At least I haven't found a place that sells those bags.. only the real heavy old style rubber. And, Fsknat won't sell you a replacement bag. I'd like to buy a couple beacuse I craft my own net frames from different hardwoods & give them to friends.

 

[AKSkim]

give them to friends.

As always, YOUR best FRIEND................

AK Skim

 

[dwing]

Very witty.
And, if you find a source for those bags you WILL be...

 

[NJDrew]

Drew:

How do you stay up on all of this stuff?

As always, happy to read when someone knows what their talking about.

AK Skim

Like dwing, my brothers and I make our own landing nets. Our first net was mine and it had a traditional rubber bag. So after about a month of dragging it up and down the river, I started researching lighter bag material. I have found places to make the bags, but a minimum order is like 500 nets.