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Flatbrook YRTCA
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kindanewbie77
the sad old dog with no friends
That hole is all f'd up......I'll be on the other side of werners!
Reference to inquiry if I am a member of TU,unfortunately no i am not but
will be retiring on April 1st of this year.I was contemplating joining and becoming active.I fish the flat at least two times a week now and mostly fish the fly zone.I have seen the fly rod with mono and reported it to the CO who finds nothing illegal per his interpetation.At least he progressed and I do not see him snagging anymore.I would love to see a YRTCA but not in the current zone...KRONK
will be retiring on April 1st of this year.I was contemplating joining and becoming active.I fish the flat at least two times a week now and mostly fish the fly zone.I have seen the fly rod with mono and reported it to the CO who finds nothing illegal per his interpetation.At least he progressed and I do not see him snagging anymore.I would love to see a YRTCA but not in the current zone...KRONK
kindanewbie77
the sad old dog with no friends
I'M sending him your way " hey lard ass, there is a really nice hole down stream about a mile, just loaded with fish!!!!!!"
Corndog
Ephemerella Subvaria
Pete
Trout Hunter
He found a loophole in the regulations. If he's not using a spinning reel, or casting "directly from the reel", the basic tackle is OK.
However, if he's using "lures" (not flies), or bait, or anything "scented", the CO could get him on that.
I believe that New York recently changed their regulations to stop "chuck & duck" in places like the Salmon River Fly Zones.
Corndog
Ephemerella Subvaria
onemorecast
New member
This guy takes off enough length of line for a cast, keeps it coiled in his right hand, then lets it run off his hand as he flips his spinner across the pool (sort of like a pinner uses his hand to guide the line off the reel). Do I have that right, H-Wood? I think you have watched him more closely than I did.
Then he catches a fish, whacks it over the head and stuffs it in a plastic grocery bag. After getting a couple fish, he packs up and heads out.
Hllywd76
Get hooked on fly.. just debarb first!!!!
It is for sure a lure he was using. will pull a Hoffmans on him next time and stand right next to him.
Pickerdog, I pickup trash too. The boy scout in me. I always think of the Indian crying on the side of the road. I also have that old Glen Gray issue. If you throw a rock in the water you pickout 10 the size of your head.
Hllywd
Hllywd76
Get hooked on fly.. just debarb first!!!!
Thats the one we watched, yes you got it.. have to find the video. check back on the bucket for some pics of you...
Hllywd
Rusty Spinner
Active member
Good to hear some talk about cleaning up after the slobs. Our Fred Burroughs/North chapter will be conducting our annual clean up on the Flatbrook on Saturday, May 16th for anyone who wants to help out. We'll post the details as it gets closer. We typically meet at Schaeafer's Bridge in the morning.
The good news is that we have seen a steady decline in the amount of trash we collect, including those dreaded light blue worm containers. But a couple years ago we found an old meth lab
The good news is that we have seen a steady decline in the amount of trash we collect, including those dreaded light blue worm containers. But a couple years ago we found an old meth lab
Stonefly
Conservation isn't a tag line...
LOL, I'm saying anyone can make a proposal to the Fish & Game Council, you can't expect TU to do it all. When we looked into changes for the Gorge to a YRTCA we had petitons at the Fly Show, at the Sportsman Show in Raritan and the PAL Show in Parsippanny for others to sign up.
Corndog
Ephemerella Subvaria
Sounds good pete. Make up some signs and I'll help you nail them to the trees in the area.
Cdog
NJpatbee
Can be found on NJ/NY/PA waters!
Eliminating the 9 day bait fishing period would go a long way towards improving the fishery on the FFO! As far as other areas on the BFB for a YRTCA, that is certainly a possibility. Certain areas North of 206 have some decent wild trout populations and could lend themselves to more of a Claremont WTS/YRTCA management. Some of the areas South of the FFO have thermal issues, but we know there are portions that can holdover trout down to the Delaware. At this point we are starting with a 1.5 mile portion of the stream that is ideal (according to the State biologists) for a YRTCA. With the input from the Little Flatbrook and other tribs, the water on the Blewett is actually colder than the upper 2.5 miles of the FFO.
We will have to see what kind of support there is for the current alternatives, but nothing is in concrete yet, and certainly nothing has been formally proposed to the NJF&W.
Thanks for the suggestions.
Hllywd76
Get hooked on fly.. just debarb first!!!!
Make sure you use copper nails and drive them deep so we can get some more habitat into the stream....
NJpatbee
Can be found on NJ/NY/PA waters!
Not out of the realm of possibility, but probably much more difficult to accomplish than just 1.5 miles. One of the sticking points is that the NDF&W has defined the YRTCA as "artifical only" because most of the recent research shows that the difference in mortality rate between fly fishing C&R and spin-fishing C&R is negligible. Because of the "tradition" of the Blewett Tract being FFO, it would be easier to get the F&W to support leaving that as FFO but under YRTCA kill regs. What we have developed are a few alternatives that we think we can get the backing of the F&W, and the subsequent support of the NJ Federation of Sportsmen clubs who have 6 votes on the NJF&G Council that sets the F&G Code.
Yeah, I wish it was simpler but we have to play the cards we are dealt.
Agust
Resident TU Rat Bastard
First a fly rod does not automatically make someone ethical. As Dave Chanda mentioned last week "You can't fix dumb". Jerks, idiots and scumbags are legally allowed to buy fly rods and use them.
When TU lobbied to eliminate the Fly Only regulation on the Gorge it was specifically to prevent people with fly rods from killing their limit of 4 fish a day.
By and large most of the anglers I run into are really nice guys, regardless of if they have a Shimano on an Ugly Stick or an Abel on a Sage. But by the same token, when you run into a jerk he is no less a jerk if he has a fly rod in his hands.
When TU lobbied to eliminate the Fly Only regulation on the Gorge it was specifically to prevent people with fly rods from killing their limit of 4 fish a day.
By and large most of the anglers I run into are really nice guys, regardless of if they have a Shimano on an Ugly Stick or an Abel on a Sage. But by the same token, when you run into a jerk he is no less a jerk if he has a fly rod in his hands.
Hllywd76
Get hooked on fly.. just debarb first!!!!
Burtbords149
A 6 wt. is never too much.
I've seen this guy at Werner's pool, he's an older gentlemen. he released the fish that he caught when I saw him but broke the law all the same.
NJpatbee
Can be found on NJ/NY/PA waters!
Attention FSBNJTU Members - Voting deadline extended until April 1, 2009!
You can also vote at the annual banquest this Saturday Night.
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Rusty Spinner
Active member
Attention FSBNJTU Members - Voting deadline extended until April 1, 2009!
You can also vote at the annual banquest this Saturday Night.
Or tonight at our chapter meeting. Ozzie is giving his new Atlantic Salmon presentation...
Corndog
Ephemerella Subvaria
Rusty Spinner
Active member
Yup - Ozzie is a good friend and all around great guy! I've seen him do this presentation once before at Hacklebarney and he is terrific as always. See you tonight.
NJpatbee
Can be found on NJ/NY/PA waters!
Based upon the results of the questionnare that started this thread, the Fred S Burroughs North Jersey Chapter of TU voted Wednesday night to support a 1.5 mile YRTCA on the Flatbrook starting at the top of the Blewett Tract and ending at the Roy Bridge! The Blewett Tract would remain Fly Fishing Only, and from 3 Bridges to Roy Bridge would be Artificials Only (flies and spinners) 365 days/year and would eliminate the 9 day "anything goes" period. The limit would be 1 fish/day 15 inches or greater, also 365 days/year.
The next step is to return to the NJTU State Council in July and seek authority to move forward with the proposed YRTCA starting with the NJF&W, and if TU can gain their support, it is on to the State Federation of Sportsmens Clubs, the Press, local residents and politicians, and finally the NJ Fish and Game Council for inclusion on the 2012 F&G Code.
Progress!
The next step is to return to the NJTU State Council in July and seek authority to move forward with the proposed YRTCA starting with the NJF&W, and if TU can gain their support, it is on to the State Federation of Sportsmens Clubs, the Press, local residents and politicians, and finally the NJ Fish and Game Council for inclusion on the 2012 F&G Code.
Progress!
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