California set to impose harsh new regulations on Recreational Fishing.

[Agust]

As far a private stocking. If you owned a pond, lake, or stretch of a stream, would you want the Government to tell you that you can not stock it. If this law were put into effect in NJ The fishing clubs on the Musky and South branch would effectively be shut down with the swipe of a Pen. Shannons and The Musky Tout hatchery did a good thing last year. We all benefitted from the quality of fish and the enjoyment that they gave us. Ask yourself this; If that law proposed was in NJ, or any of the states in the North East would you feel the same?

Actually yes i do want "The Gummit" involved. The law is in NJ and I support it. Shannons and every other individual who stocks has to get a permit. Otherwise every yahoo who liked catching snakeheads and Asian carp and Carp would be free to stock them in their pond or stream segment. Keeping in mind the author is selectively citing changes to the CA code and might actually be confusing a ban with imposing restrictions.

Some of the stuff they are complaining about seems "fishy" others seem sensible. As someone who has seen the internet skew actual fishing and hunting changes into inflammatory rhetoric, I'll reserve judgment.

 

[Rusty Spinner]

Actually yes i do want "The Gummit" involved. The law is in NJ and I support it. Shannons and every other individual who stocks has to get a permit. Otherwise every yahoo who liked catching snakeheads and Asian carp and Carp would be free to stock them in their pond or stream segment. Keeping in mind the author is selectively citing changes to the CA code and might actually be confusing a ban with imposing restrictions.

Some of the stuff they are complaining about seems "fishy" others seem sensible. As someone who has seen the internet skew actual fishing and hunting changes into inflammatory rhetoric, I'll reserve judgment.

Look who crawled out of the woodwork

 

[eddavidson9]

And the point of your statement about lightning strikes and terrorist attacks was?

That we are overly concerned with terrorist attacks on us soil not because of the factual evidence, but because of an emotional response, and this dictates foreign policies that are, in the end, counterproductive to their intent.

Wanna save American lives? Automate the transportation system. Wanna win an election? Prey on the fears of the public.

 

[Trout Nazi]

That we are overly concerned with terrorist attacks on us soil not because of the factual evidence, but because of an emotional response, and this dictates foreign policies that are, in the end, counterproductive to their intent.

Wanna save American lives? Automate the transportation system. Wanna win an election? Prey on the fears of the public.

This notion that terrorist attacks can happen on US soil is not baseless fear mongering. There is alot that is prevented from happening, that you don't ever hear about. The reason there aren't more attacks here is because things (not necessarily related to our foreign policy) are working.

 

[eddavidson9]

This notion that terrorist attacks can happen on US soil is not baseless fear mongering. There is alot that is prevented from happening, that you don't ever hear about. The reason there aren't more attacks here is because things (not necessarily related to our foreign policy) are working.

No argument there.

But it does beg the question, especially in light of the cia report...how effective really are these "preventative" measures? Not saying security isn't a priority, but how do we know what we're getting for our investment?

This notion that terrorist attacks can happen on US soil is not baseless fear mongering. There is alot that is prevented from happening, that you don't ever hear about. The reason there aren't more attacks here is because things (not necessarily related to our foreign policy) are working.

 

[MACFLY]

Except that wasn't the question. The question was do you want the government to tell you that you can't stock it. Big difference.

Actually yes i do want "The Gummit" involved. The law is in NJ and I support it. Shannons and every other individual who stocks has to get a permit. Otherwise every yahoo who liked catching snakeheads and Asian carp and Carp would be free to stock them in their pond or stream segment. Keeping in mind the author is selectively citing changes to the CA code and might actually be confusing a ban with imposing restrictions.

Some of the stuff they are complaining about seems "fishy" others seem sensible. As someone who has seen the internet skew actual fishing and hunting changes into inflammatory rhetoric, I'll reserve judgment.

 

[MACFLY]

So going from 19% to 15% at a cost of 15 trillion dollars is a huge success. Not to mention the support of private charities bumping that number up to almost 30 trillion. This is the progressive definition of success.

Examine the sources.

Fact is that Lyndon Johnson's war on poverty was a huge success.

The notion that lifting people out of poverty is the cause of poverty is uniquely conservative, and that's the argument they are making in this thread.

It is the current state of Republican psychosis.

"We help by not helping."

Poverty in the 50 years since ‘The Other America,’ in five charts - The Washington Post

 

[MACFLY]

So going from 19% to 15% at a cost of 15 trillion dollars is a huge success. Not to mention the support of private charities bumping that number up to almost 30 trillion. This is the progressive definition of success. )

Also about the same time johnson declared the war on poverty former president kennedys tax cuts were enacted. That's right TAX CUTS. For both corporations and individuals.im sure that had nothing to do with helping the 4% lifer put of poverty though:

 

[tomfly]

No argument there.

But it does beg the question, especially in light of the cia report...how effective really are these "preventative" measures? Not saying security isn't a priority, but how do we know what we're getting for our investment?[/QUOTE]

And yet you fail to use the same intuition on welfare programs.

 

[Trout Nazi]

No argument there.

But it does beg the question, especially in light of the cia report...how effective really are these "preventative" measures? Not saying security isn't a priority, but how do we know what we're getting for our investment?

When does any investment our government make deliver a good return? However in this particular case, I'd have to say that shit not blowing up (except for the occasional meth lab) is what we've been getting in return.

 

[Pete]

Look who crawled out of the woodwork

There was a time when they could get him to post by saying something "less than favorable" about TU.

Now... I guess they have to criticize a State F&G Council... even if it's just the Soviet State of California....

 

[eddavidson9]

No argument there.

But it does beg the question, especially in light of the cia report...how effective really are these "preventative" measures? Not saying security isn't a priority, but how do we know what we're getting for our investment?[/QUOTE]

And yet you fail to use the same intuition on welfare programs.

Again your assumptions are way off base.

 

[CTobias]

why don't you ask this guy

Gee...thanks for the link about one guy getting struck by lightning. Here's a link talking about the 500 woman and children that were slaughtered. Too bad there wasn't a lightning storm and maybe only a couple of them would have been hit.

http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=84f_1407669128

 

[CTobias]

Wanna win an election? Prey on the fears of the public.

Everyone knows to win an election you promise universal health care, more government handouts, and amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants. After all, if you can't get actual citizens to vote for you and your ilk, then you just import millions of future democratic voters and give them tax benefits for breaking the laws of our country.

 

[CTobias]

Hey Ed and Mooseknuckle.

What do you have to say about this? Don't worry though, there is nothing happening in the United States.

http://www.cnycentral.com/m/news/story?id=1160651

 

[moosekid]

more info on lightning ... NWS Lightning Safety: Understanding Lightning Introduction

 

[moosekid]

Hey Ed and Mooseknuckle.

What do you have to say about this? Don't worry though, there is nothing happening in the United States.

CNYcentral.com - Latest local news, weather and sports for Syracuse and Central New York

this link doesn't work. i blame obama for the broken link.

tobias, wasn't the point that you're more likely to get struck by lightning than be a victim of a terrorist attack on american soil??

we need to build a lightning fence around this country.

 

[moosekid]

 

[MACFLY]

this link doesn't work. i blame obama for the broken link.

tobias, wasn't the point that you're more likely to get struck by lightning than be a victim of a terrorist attack on american soil??

we need to build a lightning fence around this country.

Avoiding lightning is easy. Stay inside when it occurs. Had a friend at work. A great guy. He spent a lot of time on the road. One day he was walking into the world trade center when he was struck by a piece of debris that had fallen off the building. It happened to be on 9/11/01, he died 3 days later. Had a wife and 2 kids. I'm sure they too would be heartened by your lightning comparison.. I hope you have the same opinion when we get hot again. Perhaps you will come up with another comparison instead.

 

[CTobias]

this link doesn't work. i blame obama for the broken link.

tobias, wasn't the point that you're more likely to get struck by lightning than be a victim of a terrorist attack on american soil??

we need to build a lightning fence around this country.

Here you go. That was the mobile version.

http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=1160651#.VNbq-kLXm9Y

 

[eddavidson9]

Avoiding lightning is easy. Stay inside when it occurs. Had a friend at work. A great guy. He spent a lot of time on the road. One day he was walking into the world trade center when he was struck by a piece of debris that had fallen off the building. It happened to be on 9/11/01, he died 3 days later. Had a wife and 2 kids. I'm sure they too would be heartened by your lightning comparison.. I hope you have the same opinion when we get hot again. Perhaps you will come up with another comparison instead.

Let's go back to annual traffic deaths. 30k per year in the US. An order of magnitude higher than 9/11.

or ow about the nearly 7000 American servicemember lives lost in the war on terror?

i would keep going but I'm on vacation so here's a quick read i just stumbled upon this morning, no idea how accurate, but everyone here seems to have time to fact check everyone else's sources, if not quite their own, so what's the difference:
http://waronirrationalfear.com/facts

 

[MACFLY]

Let's go back to annual traffic deaths. 30k per year in the US. An order of magnitude higher than 9/11.

or ow about the nearly 7000 American servicemember lives lost in the war on terror?

i would keep going but I'm on vacation so here's a quick read i just stumbled upon this morning, no idea how accurate, but everyone here seems to have time to fact check everyone else's sources, if not quite their own, so what's the difference:
http://waronirrationalfear.com/facts

Dude take your vacation.

 

[tomfly]

Let's go back to annual traffic deaths. 30k per year in the US. An order of magnitude higher than 9/11.

or ow about the nearly 7000 American servicemember lives lost in the war on terror?

i would keep going but I'm on vacation so here's a quick read i just stumbled upon this morning, no idea how accurate, but everyone here seems to have time to fact check everyone else's sources, if not quite their own, so what's the difference:
Surprising facts about the “war on terror”

No argument here traffic fatalities are leading contributor to loss of life but most are deemed to be accidents. Once in a while and individual may snap and use his vehicle as a weapon and decide to act out on those aggressions, but those are rare and isolate events. Automobile fatalities are decreasing statically even with the increase congestion on the roads. The auto manufactures are getting better at making cars that have higher survivability.

Natural disasters; such as lighting strikes, earthquakes, hurricanes, tornados, Volcanoes …… Your chances of being killed in are 0.03% basically statically nil. Excluding Earthquakes most are predictable days before the event and you have the choice and time to remove yourself from the death zone. If some idiots decide to stay the odds of their death will go up.

Terrorist attacks are completely different. Although the death toll is low compared to other events. The psychological impacts are significant. Where as an auto accident fatality has an impact on friends and family, and a natural disaster would have a psychological impact regionally. When a terrorist attack occurs the entire population of a country is effected in the case of 9-11 the world felt the inherent side effects of it. Fear and anger are powerful motivators when it pertains to government’s policy and course of action. On 9-12 the population of United Stats was angry and wanted compensation for its emotional turmoil. And that is the difference.