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Post 1001 sorry guys. Emoussa, I couldnt resist!!

Catskill Mountain Man

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Re: the "right thing"


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Originally Posted by emoussa

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Originally Posted by Catskill Mountain Man

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Originally Posted by emoussa
A little bit of food for thought.

Look into the CIAs work in Afghanistan in 79. Early Taliban textbooks with math word problems about how long it takes a bullet to travel 100 yards to kill Russian infidels printed in the US.

Funding Islamic extremists in Syria today

the contras in Nicaragua

CIA using drug money to fund quite a few foreign insurgencies

Propping up the El Saud family in Saudi Arabia, literally the most vile scum on earth

supporting Saddam while he used chemical weapons to kill tens of thousands of Irani soldiers.

the list does not end.



you're a wierdo, dont pm me plz



haha. Thats what I thought. Feel pretty foolish for even thinking for a second you'd have the capacity to muster up a response.

Good luck to ya pal.



Ughh, this was a PM from our native "genius"

Look into the CIAs work in Afghanistan in 79. Early Taliban textbooks with math word problems about how long it takes a bullet to travel 100 yards to kill Russian infidels printed in the US.

I'm not completely inept. I'm well aware about our involvement in that conflict. But giving AK-47s to a bunch of tribal people cannot directly correlate to what the taliban are today. In my opinion it shows that the people of the area are poorly educated and easily manipulated.

Therefore we should help them.

Funding Islamic extremists in Syria today


These "Islamic extremists" are still people who are being terrorized by a "government entity" into submission. Which goes against everything, as a country, we stand for. Your "let them kill each other" point of view is more graphic than you think. If we actually do something about oppression every time it rears it's ugly head, that's making a statement to the global community.

Therefore we should help the syrian people, no matter who they "are"

the contras in Nicaragua

South america is a conundrum. IMHOP we need to stay out of conflicts where the enemy is poorly defined, that's a reason how the British lost the revolution. However, if they're harming innocents we should send small amounts of specalized troops to at least show that we care. You need to understand in those situations the enemy is so poorly trained and equipped that our trained Kentuckians, Coloradans, Maineenites, Minnesotaians, Mississipians, Alabamains, Iowioians, New Yorkers, Jersians, etc, can easily get the job done.

Then we should help them reorganize their infrastructure

CIA using drug money to fund quite a few foreign insurgencies

Are you ashamed of your country using tactics (albiet possibly immoral) to get the upper hand? Your best friend Putin seems to be doing so. Or would you like to live in a 3rd world country / dictatorship? We live how we do here because of many things, one being strength of people and willingness to fight for whats right.

Therefore we should be thankful that there are actual intellectuals behind the reigns of that aspect of our government/country.

Propping up the El Saud family in Saudi Arabia, literally the most vile scum on earth

We need oil, without it you'd be stuck fishing your local sewer instead of driving your mercades x3 to the beaverkill to flop your terrible casts on top of historical fish.

Therefore we should suck up to them until we dont need oil anymore

supporting Saddam while he used chemical weapons to kill tens of thousands of Irani soldiers.

This is something you're going to need to provide more sources on. I know saddam tested chemical weapons on the Kurds of northern iraq, in an awful manner. But Iranian soldiers as well? Provide facts

And yes you're a wierdo.







This local NEFFERS is your local genius!

Emoussa I leave you with a bow.

You made your point and me mine.

I however, will be trying to exit this website slowly but surely. It's just too much. I'd rather lurk at the moment and listen to rusty/brk trt/pete

Sooner or later you will all get your wish.

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We didn't just give tribal people weapons, we organized a resistance and gave them stinger missiles to soot down Russian MIGS and Mi-24s. And it had nothing to do with doing the right thing, but revenge against the Russians for Vietnem, where they backed supplied the NVA.

The Iraqis and Iranians fought for over 12 years, it was a Suny vs. Shiite thing. Probably over your head. Both sides committed atrocities against one another.

You have an outsized ego. When you leave, no one will give a shit and you'll be forgotten.
 
People being terrorized into submission by a government entity? Sort of sounds like what's been happening in this country for years. Take the people's money send all the good paying jobs overseas so the fat cat corporations can make huge profits while the working class struggle to make a decent living. Get them in debt up to their ears so when they die they have nothing to show for their hardwork. Then we will erode all of their rights this once great nation was founded on. If they step out of line squash them or burn them out I.e Waco. Yeah it's happening asshole cmm in our country. Don't worry about other countries worth about this one.
 
You know what? You poke your entitled shit self on here and every time you open your mouth, people hate on you. You'd think someone with your OBVIOUS intelligence level would take. A. Hint. Go back to your bridge, throw your rod in the water or better yet, up your ass and let the rest of us have civilized conversation.

Its pretty damn hard to take you seriously when you say 'reigns' when it should be 'reins' and use 'IMHOP' when it's simply 'IMHO'. And besides, you're already giving us your honest opinion. We don't need an abbreviation to follow your convoluted line of thought.

Please have a look at your signature, and maybe take your own advice?

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Circa 1847
 
It's amazing how quickly CMM went from popular to dumb moron who everyone wants to leave or stop posting:)
 
If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around to hear it...........
In retrospect I think that if when CMM had made one of these silly posts and no one responded, the tree would have fallen and it would not have made a noise.
But sometimes it is very difficult to hold ones tongue when that much ignorance is displayed.
 
It's amazing how quickly CMM went from popular to dumb moron who everyone wants to leave or stop posting:)

Aside from his massive ignorance and stupidity (which can be entertaining), CCM let his "popularity" get to his head, and grew himself a bit of an ego. Actually started to think that this site couldn't survive without his input. Naw, we've never seen that here before, have we?

Don't worry guys, he won't leave. Guys like him can't keep their mouths shut for too long, plus they'll boot him out faster over at GST.
 
Just wondering... Was Iraq better off with Saddam or is Iraq better off now?

Are any of us really qualified to answer that question.....I say, the the middle east had a better balance of power with Saddam in power...he kept people in line....but hell, I'm just spewing shit I read in the paper, or see in the news...:shrug:
 
Are any of us really qualified to answer that question.....I say the, the middle east had a better balance of power with Saddam in power...he kept people in line....but hell, I'm just spewing shit I read in the paper, or see in the news...:shrug:

Yeah that makes two of us. But I did hear a news story on the radio about this yesterday. It was an interview with an Iraqi guy who just wrote a book on the topic. He said that your average civilian in Iraq is far less secure now than they were under Saddam. If you're involved in politics or civic life, it might be a different story. Saddam was repressive and authoritarian. But the country was more safer and more stable for regular people.
 
Yeah that makes two of us. But I did hear a news story on the radio about this yesterday. It was an interview with an Iraqi guy who just wrote a book on the topic. He said that your average civilian in Iraq is far less secure now than they were under Saddam. If you're involved in politics or civic life, it might be a different story. Saddam was repressive and authoritarian. But the country was more safer and more stable for regular people.

Who counts as a regular person? Listen Iraq is an example of the futility of trying to export democracy to another country. If people want freedom they have to be prepared to shed their own blood for it. Not foisted upon them. With all that being said Iraq could be in much better shape now that the power structure has been removed but folks need to anti up and take advantage. There is no comparison to being under the rule of a dictator.
 
Just wondering... Was Iraq better off with Saddam or is Iraq better off now?
Looked like a shit hole before, looks like a shit hole now. The real question here is are WE better off before or after Saddam. I think at this point even the most naive of us (except CCM) realize that we don't invade countries out of charity.
 
Yeah that makes two of us. But I did hear a news story on the radio about this yesterday. It was an interview with an Iraqi guy who just wrote a book on the topic. He said that your average civilian in Iraq is far less secure now than they were under Saddam. If you're involved in politics or civic life, it might be a different story. Saddam was repressive and authoritarian. But the country was more safer and more stable for regular people.

Saddam did well with the big ideas. He was a creative thinker, although disorganized. Not even the American army could find his WMDs, because he lost the notebook where he recorded their whereabouts.

A tragic Capricorn who dressed impeccably well.
 
Saddam did well with the big ideas. He was a creative thinker, although disorganized. Not even the American army could find his WMDs, because he lost the notebook where he recorded their whereabouts.

A tragic Capricorn who dressed impeccably well.

And who sported an epic Magnum PI stash.
 
I think the answer is pretty clear.

There was no Al Queda or other wahhabist groups operating in Iraq during Saddam's days. Extreme Islamic ideology was a threat to his control and it was not tolerated.

Today, Iraq is an absolute breeding ground for al queda and friends. Recruiting, training, operating with freedom and suicide bombing several every other day.

People in Iraq were also safe during Saddam's time. Crimes against minority groups like Christians, of whom there was a sizable population with a history rooted in the region way before the Arabs came, were non existent because the punishment were so extreme.

So yes, he was a crazy man and no you could not run for public office or anything like that but at least there was security and had relative harmony amongst the many different ethnic groups.

There used to be doctors, scientists and other educated, forward thinking people in Iraq. Today, the country is devoid of all that. They have all fled or have been killed.

I'd be really curious to see Al-Queda's membership numbers before the 9/11 and after the subsequent "war on terror" that ensued. Something tells me they've skyrocketed astronomically. Not only that but they have spread to countries where they had 0 presence before. It's happening in Syria now. Luckily, Al Assad is bombing them back into the hell they came from.
 
Looked like a shit hole before, looks like a shit hole now. The real question here is are WE better off before or after Saddam. I think at this point even the most naive of us (except CCM) realize that we don't invade countries out of charity.

Oh please don't tell me we invaded for oil
 
I think the answer is pretty clear.

There was no Al Queda or other wahhabist groups operating in Iraq during Saddam's days. Extreme Islamic ideology was a threat to his control and it was not tolerated.

Today, Iraq is an absolute breeding ground for al queda and friends. Recruiting, training, operating with freedom and suicide bombing several every other day.

People in Iraq were also safe during Saddam's time. Crimes against minority groups like Christians, of whom there was a sizable population with a history rooted in the region way before the Arabs came, were non existent because the punishment were so extreme.

So yes, he was a crazy man and no you could not run for public office or anything like that but at least there was security and had relative harmony amongst the many different ethnic groups.

There used to be doctors, scientists and other educated, forward thinking people in Iraq. Today, the country is devoid of all that. They have all fled or have been killed.

I'd be really curious to see Al-Queda's membership numbers before the 9/11 and after the subsequent "war on terror" that ensued. Something tells me they've skyrocketed astronomically. Not only that but they have spread to countries where they had 0 presence before. It's happening in Syria now. Luckily, Al Assad is bombing them back into the hell they came from.

The reality is that its a mixed bag. But no one should kid themselves. Iraq could be rid of Al Quaeda today. They chose not to extend disposition of forces with the USA. Also the reality is that there was plenty of violence before the invasion. Just ask the kurds. Iraq 10 years from today could be fine if it decides to get its act togeher. Really up to them
MUSINGS ON IRAQ: Life In Iraq Before and After The Invasion
 
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