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WB/Delaware Trip Summary 7/3/-7/4

I decided to make the now ordinary road trip to the Delaware River system, once again. The agony of defeat and (sometimes victory) is becoming an aphrodisiac.

Here are the summary details for you fly fishing junkies:

1.) I made road trip up Route 191 from Honesdale. Needed to get away from traffic and stop by nearest watering hole - Lydia’s to eat dinner and take in the local flavor. I recommend their wraps for a quick bite.

2.) I hit Stockport on Mainstem from 7sih until 10ish -- fishing into the dark. Water temp was around 69-70 degrees. Water level was an easy wade across to main channel.

3.) I am wondering what in the hell is that monstrosity of building (please do not tell me that this is a house -- whoever designed this box has got to be smoking something) next to the banks of Delaware Mainstem? Lodge? Army barracks? Parking garage?

4.) Flies starting to pop off around late 8ish -- noticed small olives in size 18 on down, Hydropsyche spent caddis and adult caddis dipping and diving on water. Most importantly, at least to the working trout, Sulphurs in size 16 on down were the key insects that fish started to work on during this time period.

5.) Fish were performing their typical ritual in this area. First couple of fish would pop-up, sometimes consistently in one area, sometimes working their way up stream. After about an hour and around 9ish, the fish started to break everywhere. I am not talking massive amounts of targets, but they started to break around me from bank to bank.

6.) Casting required me to focus on hitting targets quickly (what else is new) and use curve and hook casts to minimize drag.

7.) Hooked a few, landed none on size 16 Sulphur emerger.

Next day, I hooked up with DC and fished Deposit area of WB for most of afternoon. Noticed that water was in mid to upper 50's in this area with fish breaking once in a while in main current. Need to put a shout-out to DC for showing me the ropes to this area. Typical tail water fishing -- cold water, spring creek tactics, thin tippets, etc. Needless to say fishing was better than catching - no hatches to speak of during that time period.

Later, DC and I fished Hales Eddy pool and we noticed a lot of small rainbows targets swiping at caddis emergers/adults. Highlight of the day was seeing a downpour head downriver just up from bridge, hit a couple of canoeists (crocodile tears here). The conclusion to the storm was seeing an incredible rainbow just 50 yards downstream on WB for a few moments. Additionally, it seemed that the release momentarily was higher during this time period. Coupled with the downpour, my hope was for better things downriver.

Later that early evening, DC and I hit Lydia’s to refresh our caloric intake. Believing that a float on the Delaware on the Hyde Low Rider was more hassle than necessary due to water flows, water temps and minimum time period of when targets are available) we decided on my judgment to visit Stockport again.

What I noticed was that the river flows and water level was significantly higher than the night before. Water clarity was slightly stained comparatively as well. Water temp was about 69-70, level was higher.

Like the previous evening, targets started to show again. I was successful in hitting a solid 16" Rainbow that was strong and made a great series of runs down and up. DC was working the water further downstream. Need to state, however, that I was wading in water up to my upper chest area and the challenge to even make casts to these trout was -- how do I say -- ball busting.


Here are my final thoughts for you junkies out there:

1.) Guys are even coming from N.Y.C. to get a shot at the Rainbows on Delaware system, for a short evening of fishing. It is reassuring that I am not the only idiot who decides to travel long distances for a few hours of glory.

2.) You better know beforehand what the fish are going to work that evening. Guesswork should be made quickly and correctly, or you are going to be disappointed. This river system is not for the neophytes. GET A GUIDE, or hookup with someone who is in the know.

3.) Fish in the evening and prepare to stick it out. If bats, things that go bump into the night cause you to question your sanity, I sympathize.

4.) Some local guy for the past two weekends, while wandering up the Delaware river bank always shouts out to me (in pitch dark): "Hey Jack, is that you Jack?". Just an FYI, my Father's name is Jack, my name is HydeLowRider. I think he is starting to understand, finally.

5.) Saw a lot of baby brown trout on Main stem AND a lot 6 inchers in Hales Eddy area that are supposedly making their way into the feeders. Interesting and positive news.

Just the facts ma'am....
 
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Nice report HLR... Always enjoy them. Soon... if the releases continue in some sort of constant manner... we should see those favored dortheas popping up toward Deposit. Once I hear that... I hope to come up for a day or two.
 
Just signed on as new member....good report sounds similar to
my trips. One question though, how do you access the stockport
section? Do you park on PA side near creek and walk in ? I usually
park @ bard-parker and fish downstream.
 
GARYB,

Welcome to the madness.

I snake my way down Stockport Road (?), on Pa. side. The best way to describe the location is to look for an unmarked parking pull-off on the Pa. side of the river after passing Lydias/Old Orvis Store (Shehawken) on left hand side. Couple of strong suggestions, do not deviate off of that dirt road leading down. The property owners are belligerent with signs and sometimes personally telling fisherman to not walk on the adjoining property.
The lure of cutting through their property is appealing, but be strong whippersnapper.

I like your idea of working down from Bards Parker area, however, that is a haul. However, it does give you plenty of water to scan for the ever-allusive targets.
 
I fished the west branch in deposit from 7/3 thru 7/6

Water temps low 50's in am and upper 50's in the p.m

The hogs were keyed in on Pseudos (size 24 cdc emerger) in the late morning and cream midge(size 22-26) in the evening.

Even though there where dorotheas on the water the bigger fish were locked into the small bugs since they were so prevalant.

I only managed 14 fish from 16-21 inches all browns,and I lost count of all the small ones caught.

The fish that were working the surface were sporadic and not in great numbers.

The dorotheas are weak but I expect that activity to pick up in the next couple of weeks as well as more surface activity.

The fish and bugs are still getting acclamated to the much colder water since they started releasing.

Since I was with the family I only fished from 9.00 am- noon and again from 8.00 p.m until dark.

From daybreak to about 9.00 am the the fog was very very thick on the water due to the warm humid air and cold water.

My 27 month old son caught his first west branch brown!(4 inches)

He managed to get the line out in front of him and the caddis swung in a smalll set of riffs and bang.I then helped him reel in the fish,After taking the hook out he than released it.

He also seined the river every morning with me for about an hour.he must have turned over at least a 1000 rocks in 4 days.

Looks like I found a new fishing partner.


Dtw THAT IS A HOUSE ON THE MAIN STEM.And a guy named Joe owns it.He is a great guy,an avid flyfisherman.
 
I only managed 14 fish from 16-21 inches all browns,and I lost count of all the small ones caught.
Only? Just curious as to what times you were fishing and were they only caught in Deposit?
Dtw THAT IS A HOUSE ON THE MAIN STEM.And a guy named Joe owns it.He is a great guy,an avid flyfisherman.
If I owned a house on a river with that much property, I'd cut a little path away from the road to the river just far enough from the house where we wouldn't be bothered by anglers. I'd also post no littering signs with warnings stating that the path will be closed if we have to pick up after people. If he's got that much property, then he's also got enough money to plant trees along this path for added shelter.

This guy is a nice guy? Why is he trying to close down River road? Sounds like an a-hole to me. My opinion is that he 's a greedy individual who wants the entire river to himself. There aren't many access points to the stockport area other than River road unless you float. Hell, I don't even fish in front of that monstrocity he calls a house, I walk down past the eel traps.
 
Dennis,

First let me start with Joe.

The reason he wants to close down the river is because durring the summer guys that are coming out from fishing and or floating make a racket as late as midnight.Its gotten worse.

Also they leave garbage on his property(constantly).

Some anglers are showing no respect for him and his family.

The problem with a new pathway is an easment off the road for the trucks?

If I were him I would do the same.

I know him personally and this is what he explained to me.

I specifically listed the times I fished above?

9.00 am - noon and from 8.00 p.m until dark

Only? yes 14 fish For 4 days of fishing?

On a Great day on the west branch I do 8-12 in a day.

I also specified above that they were keyed and I mean keyed on psEudos in the late morning and they were just as keyed on the cream midge in the evenings.

Yes I stayed deposit in fact I stayed in the same pool. for 4 days.

I stayed at the West branch angler resort
 
Dennis

14 fish in 4 days is onl;y 3.5 per day thats of course not counting the many many mighty midgets I caught.
 
Dennis ,

Let me expand on the numbers thing.

As you know I almost never ever come on this board and tell anyone how many fish I caught.

I am simply trying to demonstate to the many who read this board that with a PERFECT MATCH THE HATCH PATTERN and a perfect presenatation you can catch fish on the west branch and more than a couple.I know many guys that have double digit days or even nights with fish from 16 inches plus.

95% of the guys who fish the Delaware system always seem to go with a pattern of what they "see" on the water.And in most case they may catch a fish or two or maybe none?, but when you go with the "right" pattern a Pseudo,midge etc that in most cases you dont see you can knock em dead.
 
I will say that you do need to match the hatch for success on the Delaware system. You also need the right patterns. Equally important as well is a flawless presentation which comes down to careful leader selection and maintainence, excellant casting both in terms of reachs and other mends and accuracy at long distance (30 to 50 ft).

A great caster with the right patterns will hook up a good deal more that a good caster. They are just far more efficient and will double their opportunities for hook ups and therfore double the number of fish they catch.

I think I'm pretty good at fly selection and patterns but I need to improve my casting. For me a good day on the Delaware is still only 4 or so fish. A great day is 8. My other little problem is that I get stuck on a particular fish. I'll spend alot of time on a single fish even if there are other (easier) targets around. I also like to stalk fish in the tailouts where the game is at its most challenging. Finally I've moved to pretty much a dry fly game which also limits fish numbers.

So the number of fish caught depends on alot of things. What really matters of course is just having fun. I'm happy as a clam so long as I have targets.
 
Well put, NJFred :)

I'm of the same feelings. A good day for me is 2 - 4 fish brought to hand, but I've had banner days where 12+ have been brought in.

In the dog days of summer, early AM or right at dusk are the optimum times for the main stem. Of course, there's always the night action but that's a complete different game all together. One which I've only done a few times.

I will hike MILES to find targets with my favourite spots downstream of Bouchouxville - far downstream - in early season. As things warm up it's Buckingham and above.

I will say my success rate has increased the last couple of seasons due to insight gleaned from this board - especially Joe T's contributions. Flush presentations, droppers imitating various stages of emergence, etc. have all helped me in obtaining a greater understanding of the "BIG D" :)


Shawn
 
DC,

There is a long history of that landowner attempting to close down that dirt road that parallels his property. FYI, it looks like that road actually crossed the Delaware at one time AS you can see the remnants of another road on the other side of the river (N.Y. side) that is almost straight across from the dirt "boat ramp" area.

I have personally picked up trash on a few occasions in the Stockport road pull-off and this frustrates me due to the lack of respect. I cannot imagine what the landowners feel having the same sort of disregard shown for anglers tramping through at all times of day/night (would you feel comfortable having a child in the house knowing that strangers are crossing by your home? Personally, I would not feel comfortable.).

I need to side with the homeowner. However, I would make an attempt to establish a relationship down the road and let him know who I am, bring gifts, etc. in order to place a name and a face together. Hell, I would give him my best patterns to share the passion and love for the sport. What the hell.

Joe T. -- Yeah, Psuedos are the name of the game. The other part of the game is to be in the right spot at the right time as well. The fishing near West Branch Angler has excellent and consistent targets in the morning and evening, especially for Pseudos in the morning.

Congrats on your son getting a hookup! Now you have even greater excuses to go fishing -- Jr. wants to go as well.
 
JoeT,
Do you use an indicator when you're working with the tiny 22-26's.. or, drop it off a larger dry? What's your technique in low lite conditions. I love to hear these details.

I'm starting to hook up with a lot more numbers & bigger fish since I've been reading what you guys have to offer on this board. Thanks, everyone.
 
Dwing... one of the benefits of the psuedo emerger pattern (tiny BWO ) that many of us use is it's visibility. If you tie in a thick brush or plume of CDC you can really see it well even in low lite conditions. Even for the smaller size 26 flies. Are you familiar with this pattern? Also, a guide at the DRC once gave me one to try with some bright organge material tied in the center of theCDC brush. The fish still ate it.
 
NJFred,
I've got a few emergers in the 20+ range that I picked up at the West Branch Angler a couple seasons ago. Light wire dry fly hook w.upturn eye, very lightly dubbed body, very tiny puff of CDC(i think its CDC), tiny trailing shuck. Probably only used it once or twice but as I recall, it was difficult to see... maybe because the CDC puff was white? I desribe it as a "puff" for lack of better word.. but, its' just a tiny little hump. Right? Maybe, a pink flouro would stand out better? If you dont mind me asking, what's your rod & line setup? I just started using more 6x which I'm definitely having more success with... but, I have broke off a few nice fish because my rod (Scott SES) is a bit on the heavy side. I've been on the Delaware on some very windy days where I'm glad I have the SES, but, Im wondering if I should consider a softer presentation rod for when the wind is not a factor.
 
Dennis that sounds like the fly. In fact I tie the body with olive thread and just dub the throrax, the part around the CDC with just a liggle dubbing. Here is an article on the West Branch angler's site of a very similar fly.

http://www.westbranchangler.com/newletflytyersbwo2.htm

I tie in the CDC really thick and vertical. I have found store bought flies often do not tie in enough CDC for my taste. More CDC means the flies float better and are more visible. I also use olvie brown antron for the trialing shuck. Typically I'll use a light wire scud hook but the straight hooks work well also.

I use a 5 wt Loomis GLX I use Wulff Triangular Taper. I do use 6x most of the time, at least 2 ft of it. My leaders are at least 12 ft long
 
Fri 7-4 6PM

I have admired your forum for a long time however the gentleman who fished Stockport friday night has caused me
to comment.
There were 4 fisherman at Stockport on Friday night at 6PM.
Two of us took the temperature which was 74 degrees.
I hope you enjoyed catching your fish, you won't catch him again
he is dead.
Without the necessary flows temperature becomes too crucial to the survival of the fish, should be monitored and fishing decisions
made accordingly.
thanks
 
Steve,

I hooked and long released one Rainbow that basically made a long run that was headed to my backing. FYI, the fish jumped out of the water after the run and long release. FYI, the water temp was 69 to 70 degrees around 8ish in the evening. The native Rainbows love the warmer water temps and are acclimated due to years of living, breeding and eating in those conditions. Additionally, I saw multiple Rainbows busting and jumping out of the water (which further added to the thrill) while feeding on the Sulphur Duns.
 
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Dennis C,

Just for the record I hope that Joe does not close down his access.


Dwing,

I do not use a dropper or indicator when using small flies.

The colors for the cdc I use depends on the species.Either dun or white.

If you go into the first fly swap on the board last fall and click on my flies you will see how the pattern should look.I tie them that way regardless of size.The only thing that changes of course is the color of the body and wing.

Being ABle to see small flies at a distance actually takes a lot of practice.
It might sound crazy but you actually train your eyes over time.

DTW,

You are right it depends on where you are.There are always those pools that seem to have fish working the surface even if its just a few.

The best fish of the week was my sons.


JOE.T
 
Joe,

That's the problem, the problem is that it's not 'his' access, it's a township road. He's trying to aquire the road so NOBODY has access to the river. The approximate distance from his house to the road is a little over a football field so I can't see how privacy would be a concern. If he wants privacy, plant trees alongside River Road.
 
Dennis,
One of the problems is that it runs thru his property.

fyi I was just told by jeff at the drc that the last owner tried to do the same thing and was unsuccesful.

Again I hope that there is a better resolution to this so that will keep all parties happy.

Also fyi if he can get the easment changed from the town so he can aquire the road.
 
Not for nothing, be he was aware of this before and when he purchased the property. If this was such a show stopper for him, he should have looked elsewhere. Sorry Joe, but some people are just a bit too greedy for my taste.
 
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